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Post by followyoudown on Mar 10, 2020 19:55:39 GMT
45 years what ? Preparing statutory accounts clearly not. We both know that an auditor is a watchdog and not a bloodhound. My instincts are suggesting to me that there MIGHT be something getting swept under the carpet here. At the least I SUSPECT that there has been an error made in the Notes To The Accounts. FCA mate.
You may be an accountant mate but you have not spent 45 years preparing statutory accounts if you had you would know that every disclosure is audited to suggest otherwise is staggering. You should also be very careful suggesting wrongdoing or errors with no proof other than your own instincts, they are a private company so they can pay whatever they like to anyone so what is there to sweep under the carpet, sorry just utter garbage from someone who should know better.
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Post by doitforfrank on Mar 10, 2020 20:09:59 GMT
I think the critical line re. FFP came amazingly from TS. "What FFP does is stifle ambition" and he's right, most people on here will or would have had a soft spot for Man City, due to there proximity to the shitty red half of Manchester, that soft spot has probably lessened since all the money came into the club. But without that money, City would still be also rans and noisy neighbours. FFP means that at every level of football, everyone finds their level and finds their place in the pyramid. The big European clubs and UEFA are scared to death of a club like City mixing it with the big clubs as the cosy status quo is damaged. The same applies to our level. If the Coates family now cannot spend their money as they wish and see fit, the club may never reach the recent heights again, yes we've made mistakes and JC accepted that and has apologised, but now with FFP, the family will struggle to achieve their ambitions. Yes there are other ways to achieve success, and Brentford are the playing proof of that. But they would also probably recognise that reaching the PL for just one year would be ambition realised, as a far bigger club in every aspect, our ambitions are higher than that, possibly to compete in Europe, that dream is currently very distant even allowing for how shite we have been on the pitch.
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Post by adi on Mar 10, 2020 20:25:06 GMT
This thread contains the absolute worst of Stoke fans and people. Have any of you achieved anything of note? We’re all geniuses when we’re sat behind a keyboard. Good on them for fronting up again at the forum. They’re not perfect but it could be a damn sight worse. What have they said so wrong!? The absolute worst of people??? You do realise nobody has murdered anyone (that I know of) on here?
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Post by adi on Mar 10, 2020 20:26:24 GMT
I can assure you that there are plenty of members of this Forum, that have achieved some great things. I've thrown a kettle over a pub for a start. Shoelaces?
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Post by adi on Mar 10, 2020 20:39:11 GMT
Everyone or anyone interested. 38:40 for the face pulling and question dodging regarding the poor recruitment of a left back. Makes me fume seeing him pull his face then mane a sarcastic comment then defer to O’Neill...
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 10, 2020 20:53:26 GMT
We both know that an auditor is a watchdog and not a bloodhound. My instincts are suggesting to me that there MIGHT be something getting swept under the carpet here. At the least I SUSPECT that there has been an error made in the Notes To The Accounts. FCA mate.
You may be an accountant mate but you have not spent 45 years preparing statutory accounts if you had you would know that every disclosure is audited to suggest otherwise is staggering. You should also be very careful suggesting wrongdoing or errors with no proof other than your own instincts, they are a private company so they can pay whatever they like to anyone so what is there to sweep under the carpet, sorry just utter garbage from someone who should know better. Scrap. Blimey who'd have thought accountancy could be so exciting.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 20:55:43 GMT
Everyone or anyone interested. 38:40 for the face pulling and question dodging regarding the poor recruitment of a left back. Makes me fume seeing him pull his face then mane a sarcastic comment then defer to O’Neill... Let's be honest , he's not the brightest , scholes He was chatting to JC about the coronavirus , then disappeared to the loo for twenty minutes JC ...'are you alright mate , only I couldn't help but notice, you have been in the loo for twenty minutes .If you are not well, me and Michael can takeover ' Scholes ...' I am fine .Only I couldn't remember the words to happy birthday. So I sang Bohemian rhapsody twice '
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 10, 2020 21:13:15 GMT
Everyone or anyone interested. 38:40 for the face pulling and question dodging regarding the poor recruitment of a left back. Makes me fume seeing him pull his face then mane a sarcastic comment then defer to O’Neill... A different way of looking at it, I don't blame TS one little bit. Looking at his reaction and the general laughter from all 3, they are saying "what the heck kind of question is that"? Sorry if you feel that fans are entitled to say what they want to say, but the club representatives are not. Perhaps everyone should stop taking themselves so seriously.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 10, 2020 21:19:17 GMT
Everyone or anyone interested. 38:40 for the face pulling and question dodging regarding the poor recruitment of a left back. Makes me fume seeing him pull his face then mane a sarcastic comment then defer to O’Neill... A different way of looking at it, I don't blame TS one little bit. Looking at his reaction and the general laughter from all 3, they are saying "what the heck kind of question is that"? Sorry if you feel that fans are entitled to say what they want to say, but the club representatives are not. Perhaps everyone should stop taking themselves so seriously. He’s laughing because he doesn’t think our left back situation is his fault. And, to be fair to him, it’s not.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 21:19:46 GMT
Won’t it depend you can afford the price? Of course- depends on how much the price is, what with the option etc. Read differing predictions on it. My starting point though is clarifying whether the option is with us. Can't remember the player, Czech I think he is. Didn't you pay about 9 million pounds for him not so long back ?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 10, 2020 21:20:20 GMT
Everyone or anyone interested. 38:40 for the face pulling and question dodging regarding the poor recruitment of a left back. Makes me fume seeing him pull his face then mane a sarcastic comment then defer to O’Neill... A different way of looking at it, I don't blame TS one little bit. Looking at his reaction and the general laughter from all 3, they are saying "what the heck kind of question is that"? Sorry if you feel that fans are entitled to say what they want to say, but the club representatives are not. Perhaps everyone should stop taking themselves so seriously. Sorry but it’s the equivalent of the fly Be Chief executive saying what virus impact , anyone connected with stoke city knows we’ve had a left back issue for years , for our highest paid executive to demean the question is either hopelessly out of touch , or incomprehensibly arrogant or both .
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 10, 2020 21:20:39 GMT
Everyone or anyone interested. 38:40 for the face pulling and question dodging regarding the poor recruitment of a left back. Makes me fume seeing him pull his face then mane a sarcastic comment then defer to O’Neill... Just playing devil’s advocate here perhaps, but do you think our current left back issue is the fault of the chief executive?
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Post by danceswithclams on Mar 10, 2020 21:20:42 GMT
You do realise nobody has murdered anyone (that I know of) on here? I may have murdered some people you don't know.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 10, 2020 21:25:31 GMT
A different way of looking at it, I don't blame TS one little bit. Looking at his reaction and the general laughter from all 3, they are saying "what the heck kind of question is that"? Sorry if you feel that fans are entitled to say what they want to say, but the club representatives are not. Perhaps everyone should stop taking themselves so seriously. Sorry but it’s the equivalent of the fly Be Chief executive saying what virus impact , anyone connected with stoke city knows we’ve had a left back issue for years , for our highest paid executive to demean the question is either hopelessly out of touch , or incomprehensibly arrogant or both . You are incapable of rational thought when it comes to Scholes. Our left back situation has nothing to do with him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 21:28:44 GMT
You can see the frustration with John Coates that we can't spend the money we want when asked re FFP which can only be a good thing. I like the fact they gave blunt answers to one or two things rather than try to appease the person asking the question.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 10, 2020 21:29:48 GMT
Sorry but it’s the equivalent of the fly Be Chief executive saying what virus impact , anyone connected with stoke city knows we’ve had a left back issue for years , for our highest paid executive to demean the question is either hopelessly out of touch , or incomprehensibly arrogant or both . You are incapable of rational thought when it comes to Scholes. Our left back situation has nothing to do with him. Then he should say so not deny it exists . on your first point I’m more than capable of rational and logical thought on Scholes , I don’t know the bloke so I’ve no pre conceptions . my logic is as chief executive he’s paid handsomely to oversea all aspects of a business of which I’m a customer , that business has failed by every conceivable measure under his stewardship ,, despite unprecedented investment and shareholder support , seems pretty rational to me .
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 10, 2020 21:32:21 GMT
You do realise nobody has murdered anyone (that I know of) on here? I may have murdered some people you don't know. The English Language is regularly murdered.
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Post by songthrush01 on Mar 10, 2020 21:44:28 GMT
i like the bit when cockney ted said that they did not look upset when losing a game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 21:50:04 GMT
i like the bit when cockney ted said that they did not look upset when losing a game. Personally thought was the daftest comment of the night although couldn't hear all.
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Post by songthrush01 on Mar 10, 2020 21:59:51 GMT
a little bit childish really. we all react in different ways when we lose.
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Post by adi on Mar 10, 2020 22:06:56 GMT
Everyone or anyone interested. 38:40 for the face pulling and question dodging regarding the poor recruitment of a left back. Makes me fume seeing him pull his face then mane a sarcastic comment then defer to O’Neill... Just playing devil’s advocate here perhaps, but do you think our current left back issue is the fault of the chief executive? Partly yes. I highly doubt that any manager would prefer Stephen 34 year old Ward over some of the other options (and there would likely have been) out there. He was taking some blame for other transfer issues so why not LB? Also, him failing to acknowledge a problem is just daft. Tymon who is not good enough or 34 year old who is spent. Yet there’s no problem? It’s Coates-esqe levels of denial
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Post by adi on Mar 10, 2020 22:07:56 GMT
You do realise nobody has murdered anyone (that I know of) on here? I may have murdered some people you don't know. 😂 I sincerely hope not
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Post by adi on Mar 10, 2020 22:10:22 GMT
I may have murdered some people you don't know. The English Language is regularly murdered. Fortunately this is a silly football forum and not a dissertation so I shouldn’t worry too much.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 10, 2020 22:51:42 GMT
i like the bit when cockney ted said that they did not look upset when losing a game. I thought he was being utterly ridiculous
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 10, 2020 22:52:32 GMT
Just playing devil’s advocate here perhaps, but do you think our current left back issue is the fault of the chief executive? Partly yes. I highly doubt that any manager would prefer Stephen 34 year old Ward over some of the other options (and there would likely have been) out there. He was taking some blame for other transfer issues so why not LB? Also, him failing to acknowledge a problem is just daft. Tymon who is not good enough or 34 year old who is spent. Yet there’s no problem? It’s Coates-esqe levels of denial So you think Tony Scholes signed Stephen Ward and Josh Tymon?
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 10, 2020 22:55:05 GMT
You are incapable of rational thought when it comes to Scholes. Our left back situation has nothing to do with him. Then he should say so not deny it exists . on your first point I’m more than capable of rational and logical thought on Scholes , I don’t know the bloke so I’ve no pre conceptions . my logic is as chief executive he’s paid handsomely to oversea all aspects of a business of which I’m a customer , that business has failed by every conceivable measure under his stewardship ,, despite unprecedented investment and shareholder support , seems pretty rational to me . It’s failing at the moment, but your last paragraph sums your state of mind up when it comes to Scholes because you’re blaming him for failures but refusing to acknowledge the success that preceded it. You can’t have it both ways.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 22:59:17 GMT
Partly yes. I highly doubt that any manager would prefer Stephen 34 year old Ward over some of the other options (and there would likely have been) out there. He was taking some blame for other transfer issues so why not LB? Also, him failing to acknowledge a problem is just daft. Tymon who is not good enough or 34 year old who is spent. Yet there’s no problem? It’s Coates-esqe levels of denial So you think Tony Scholes signed Stephen Ward and Josh Tymon? Personally think would have been disrespectful to the players for him to admit was a problem straight out. Would have been a bit like him saying yeah, both players we have there aren't up to it I know what you mean.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 10, 2020 23:12:05 GMT
A different way of looking at it, I don't blame TS one little bit. Looking at his reaction and the general laughter from all 3, they are saying "what the heck kind of question is that"? Sorry if you feel that fans are entitled to say what they want to say, but the club representatives are not. Perhaps everyone should stop taking themselves so seriously. Sorry but it’s the equivalent of the fly Be Chief executive saying what virus impact , anyone connected with stoke city knows we’ve had a left back issue for years , for our highest paid executive to demean the question is either hopelessly out of touch , or incomprehensibly arrogant or both . Or having a laugh. 1. Not his department. 2. MON has been brought in and will fix it in time. 3. If everybody knows about the problem, and there is no chance to fix it right now, why ask the question? Looking at their reaction, they clearly think "what the hell are we supposed to say?" ... "Erm yes, we have a left back shortage. Erm yes, it will be addressed. Erm yes, Bruno is doing a fine job of filling in." Again, if fans can say what they like (you being a prime example), why can't they be more patient when the club say something they don't agree with?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 10, 2020 23:22:30 GMT
Sorry but it’s the equivalent of the fly Be Chief executive saying what virus impact , anyone connected with stoke city knows we’ve had a left back issue for years , for our highest paid executive to demean the question is either hopelessly out of touch , or incomprehensibly arrogant or both . Or having a laugh. 1. Not his department. 2. MON has been brought in and will fix it in time. 3. If everybody knows about the problem, and there is no chance to fix it right now, why ask the question? Looking at their reaction, they clearly think "what the hell are we supposed to say?" ... "Erm yes, we have a left back shortage. Erm yes, it will be addressed. Erm yes, Bruno is doing a fine job of filling in." Again, if fans can say what they like (you being a prime example), why can't they be more patient when the club say something they don't agree with? How about We are aware of the supporter feeling on this issue and will endeavour to give Michael the support he Requests . As opposed to 😬😬😬what issue
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 10, 2020 23:25:05 GMT
Then he should say so not deny it exists . on your first point I’m more than capable of rational and logical thought on Scholes , I don’t know the bloke so I’ve no pre conceptions . my logic is as chief executive he’s paid handsomely to oversea all aspects of a business of which I’m a customer , that business has failed by every conceivable measure under his stewardship ,, despite unprecedented investment and shareholder support , seems pretty rational to me . It’s failing at the moment, but your last paragraph sums your state of mind up when it comes to Scholes because you’re blaming him for failures but refusing to acknowledge the success that preceded it. You can’t have it both ways. That’s like saying Hitler was a good elder cause they are winning after 2 years his ten year legacy is we are back where we stared having wasted 224 million pounds and over £700 million revenue .
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