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Post by Scouse on Mar 11, 2020 22:18:39 GMT
The question about non executives should have been rephrased to ask why are shareholders refused to attend board meetings? There are people other than the family who have shares My ancient understanding of company law ( onc business studies , as was many , many moons ago 😂 , presumably it’s been updated , but is a board meeting must be distinguished from a general meeting , it’s a meeting of the directors and is largely unregulated by the companies act .. the rules for conducting a board meeting depend on the companies articles Shareholders have to be advised of and can attend GMs ( general meetings ) together with the AGM ( Annual General Meeting ) , but not board meetings Edit : Believe there’s several lawyers on here who deal or have experience of company law , perhaps they can confirm if my understand is at least loosely correct
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Post by Squeekster on Mar 11, 2020 22:33:25 GMT
He will be involved from a financial viewpoint, as you would reasonably expect him to be. Criticism of players slipping through the net due to contract talks stalling are down to him, but there is no way he’s recommended players to high profile football managers based on his own limited football knowledge. I hope you're right, I don't think you are. Wasn't there this plan of signing young up and coming players from abroad and then try to sell them on for a big profit? Not sure who was behind recruitment but we defiantly signed players when we had no manager.
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Post by markby on Mar 12, 2020 1:23:24 GMT
He does really come across as a level headed chap who feels he can get the best out of whoever he works with. I imagine a lot of that comes from what he has to work with in the Northern Ireland set up and the limitations that brings. No, not a lot; everything comes from his experience as manager of NI. It also seems that everyone over there are extremely appreciative of what he has done, and if anyone had a bad word for him, I've yet to hear it - although that does not mean we can't be critical about some of his tactical or selection decisions sometimes. Trust me, there's not a single NI fan with a bad word for Michael, not one. Obviously his achievement in turning us round from no-hopers is a huge reason, but also because he's a straight talker, who never bullshitted us. And the fact that he stayed loyal, when he had ostensibly "better" offers with more money etc, meant that when he did eventually leave, he went with everyones best wishes, despite our disappointment.
Though I would quibble with one point: I've no doubt he also learned from his experience at Shamrock Rovers, probably even Brechin as well, since the basic principles of man management and building a team (players and assistants) are pretty much the same everywhere, regardless of what level it's at (just look at Chris Wilder, for example).
As for criticism, of course you should be able to point it out when he gets it wrong. But one of his strengths is that for all his self-confidence, he's not so egotistical that he cannot also be self-critical. I always point to the end of his first campaign with NI, where the results were terrible, even if the performances were rather better.
Apparently he went from Edinburgh to Southampton to talk to his captain, Steven Davis, asking him whether he was still on the right track, or had he lost the NI dressing room. Steven assured him that they were still with him and that he should keep going, results would turn.
Had he not got that backing, he'd have had the humility to call it a day, not something you'd find in many managers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 8:00:43 GMT
No, not a lot; everything comes from his experience as manager of NI. It also seems that everyone over there are extremely appreciative of what he has done, and if anyone had a bad word for him, I've yet to hear it - although that does not mean we can't be critical about some of his tactical or selection decisions sometimes. Trust me, there's not a single NI fan with a bad word for Michael, not one. Obviously his achievement in turning us round from no-hopers is a huge reason, but also because he's a straight talker, who never bullshitted us. And the fact that he stayed loyal, when he had ostensibly "better" offers with more money etc, meant that when he did eventually leave, he went with everyones best wishes, despite our disappointment.
Though I would quibble with one point: I've no doubt he also learned from his experience at Shamrock Rovers, probably even Brechin as well, since the basic principles of man management and building a team (players and assistants) are pretty much the same everywhere, regardless of what level it's at (just look at Chris Wilder, for example).
As for criticism, of course you should be able to point it out when he gets it wrong. But one of his strengths is that for all his self-confidence, he's not so egotistical that he cannot also be self-critical. I always point to the end of his first campaign with NI, where the results were terrible, even if the performances were rather better.
Apparently he went from Edinburgh to Southampton to talk to his captain, Steven Davis, asking him whether he was still on the right track, or had he lost the NI dressing room. Steven assured him that they were still with him and that he should keep going, results would turn.
Had he not got that backing, he'd have had the humility to call it a day, not something you'd find in many managers.
Fair enough, I'll freely admit, I have no idea about what went on those places. But of course you start somewhere and if you're any good, you learn from your early experiences. He must have learned from some managers also in his playing career, but although I remember him well for NI and Newcastle, I just don't know which other managers he played for.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 12, 2020 14:30:37 GMT
As CEO I think it is a bit harsh some of the criticism Scholes is getting on here. My husband is the equivalent at a non league team, albeit unpaid, and I can assure you that even at that level there is a huge range of jobs covered by the role taking up a vast amount of time so to expect him to know about coach travel to a youth game, the Web site, or even to some extent the state of the playing squad is expecting a lot. There will be a staff member under him responsible for those things although I have to say his response to the left back problem was hugely facetious which I think is probably why O'Neill offered to answer for him. At the moment I am sure his time is taken up by discussions on coronavirus implications and FFP rules amongst many other issues which come with running a football club. Believe me apart from discussing salaries and contracts he will not be too concerned with the playing squad. Considering he gave up an evening to come to an event at which he knew he would be criticised (his body language and that of Jon was very defensive compared to Michael) people are being a bit unfair. Having said all I am not a fan but I do believe in treating people with respect especially when they do something I wouldn't want to do myself. By the way the story about Arnie and spiders is very believable, some players seem to think the club can sort all their problems for them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 22:47:44 GMT
No, not a lot; everything comes from his experience as manager of NI. It also seems that everyone over there are extremely appreciative of what he has done, and if anyone had a bad word for him, I've yet to hear it - although that does not mean we can't be critical about some of his tactical or selection decisions sometimes. Trust me, there's not a single NI fan with a bad word for Michael, not one. Obviously his achievement in turning us round from no-hopers is a huge reason, but also because he's a straight talker, who never bullshitted us. And the fact that he stayed loyal, when he had ostensibly "better" offers with more money etc, meant that when he did eventually leave, he went with everyones best wishes, despite our disappointment.
Though I would quibble with one point: I've no doubt he also learned from his experience at Shamrock Rovers, probably even Brechin as well, since the basic principles of man management and building a team (players and assistants) are pretty much the same everywhere, regardless of what level it's at (just look at Chris Wilder, for example).
As for criticism, of course you should be able to point it out when he gets it wrong. But one of his strengths is that for all his self-confidence, he's not so egotistical that he cannot also be self-critical. I always point to the end of his first campaign with NI, where the results were terrible, even if the performances were rather better.
Apparently he went from Edinburgh to Southampton to talk to his captain, Steven Davis, asking him whether he was still on the right track, or had he lost the NI dressing room. Steven assured him that they were still with him and that he should keep going, results would turn.
Had he not got that backing, he'd have had the humility to call it a day, not something you'd find in many managers.
Very well said mate, and I thank you for saying it.
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