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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 23:28:07 GMT
It’s failing at the moment, but your last paragraph sums your state of mind up when it comes to Scholes because you’re blaming him for failures but refusing to acknowledge the success that preceded it. You can’t have it both ways. That’s like saying Hitler was a good elder cause they are winning after 2 years his ten year legacy is we are back where we stared having wasted 224 million pounds and over £700 million revenue . I might have to spend some time on this one ....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 10, 2020 23:33:14 GMT
Partly yes. I highly doubt that any manager would prefer Stephen 34 year old Ward over some of the other options (and there would likely have been) out there. He was taking some blame for other transfer issues so why not LB? Also, him failing to acknowledge a problem is just daft. Tymon who is not good enough or 34 year old who is spent. Yet there’s no problem? It’s Coates-esqe levels of denial So you think Tony Scholes signed Stephen Ward and Josh Tymon? We’ve signed 2 senior left backs in the last decade. Which is quite ridiculous and goes way beyond the manager imo.
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Post by madnellie on Mar 11, 2020 0:06:41 GMT
It’s failing at the moment, but your last paragraph sums your state of mind up when it comes to Scholes because you’re blaming him for failures but refusing to acknowledge the success that preceded it. You can’t have it both ways. That’s like saying Hitler was a good elder cause they are winning after 2 years his ten year legacy is we are back where we stared having wasted 224 million pounds and over £700 million revenue . Possibly the most bizarre and incomprehensible incidence of Godwin's Law I've ever seen Benji. Bravo 😁
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 11, 2020 0:12:38 GMT
Or having a laugh. 1. Not his department. 2. MON has been brought in and will fix it in time. 3. If everybody knows about the problem, and there is no chance to fix it right now, why ask the question? Looking at their reaction, they clearly think "what the hell are we supposed to say?" ... "Erm yes, we have a left back shortage. Erm yes, it will be addressed. Erm yes, Bruno is doing a fine job of filling in." Again, if fans can say what they like (you being a prime example), why can't they be more patient when the club say something they don't agree with? How about We are aware of the supporter feeling on this issue and will endeavour to give Michael the support he Requests . As opposed to 😬😬😬what issue How about we don’t try and wordsmith every statement? We are all in this together. When one of my family members do or say something I don’t agree with, I give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they did not intentionally try to annoy me. If it’s soooooo difficult to do the same for “your” club, is supporting the club actually adding to the joy in your life? If not, are you a masochist?
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 11, 2020 0:14:52 GMT
It’s failing at the moment, but your last paragraph sums your state of mind up when it comes to Scholes because you’re blaming him for failures but refusing to acknowledge the success that preceded it. You can’t have it both ways. That’s like saying Hitler was a good elder cause they are winning after 2 years his ten year legacy is we are back where we stared having wasted 224 million pounds and over £700 million revenue . I don’t even know where to start with that analogy 🏳
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 11, 2020 0:16:14 GMT
So you think Tony Scholes signed Stephen Ward and Josh Tymon? We’ve signed 2 senior left backs in the last decade. Which is quite ridiculous and goes way beyond the manager imo. No it doesn’t. Surely you can’t think there is some deep lying anti left full back conspiracy at board room level? Pieters was first choice for four years so we didn’t need another one, and then we were minutes away from signing Robertson from Hull before Liverpool snatched him away. Granted, since then we’ve had an issue there but, in my opinion, that’s due to Martins Indi still being at the club as a senior player and big earner. I simply don’t think we can make the squad work financially if we bring in a senior left back and keep BMI at the club at the same time.
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Post by adi on Mar 11, 2020 7:42:22 GMT
Partly yes. I highly doubt that any manager would prefer Stephen 34 year old Ward over some of the other options (and there would likely have been) out there. He was taking some blame for other transfer issues so why not LB? Also, him failing to acknowledge a problem is just daft. Tymon who is not good enough or 34 year old who is spent. Yet there’s no problem? It’s Coates-esqe levels of denial So you think Tony Scholes signed Stephen Ward and Josh Tymon? I think Scholes limited the prospects of signing a decent replacement. For all we know O’Neill could have produced a list of left backs and Scholes and co could’ve just said, nah here’s Stephen Ward he’ll do the job. It could be that O’Neill thought Ward was a great choice then decided that instead he would play Bruno, but that seems a bit of an odd thing to do considering the comments he’s made about the squad size...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 7:50:01 GMT
Partly yes. I highly doubt that any manager would prefer Stephen 34 year old Ward over some of the other options (and there would likely have been) out there. He was taking some blame for other transfer issues so why not LB? Also, him failing to acknowledge a problem is just daft. Tymon who is not good enough or 34 year old who is spent. Yet there’s no problem? It’s Coates-esqe levels of denial So you think Tony Scholes signed Stephen Ward and Josh Tymon? No but he was part of the system that they say is and has worked, even though they have acknowledged mistakes, that saw about the arrival of a manager that required such specialist players in that position that we ended up in that mess. John Coates said it straight. You get your manager right and your recruitment right and the rest follows. It's about the only decent thing he said all night. We haven't got either right for a long time and Tony Scholes is a huge part of that, regardless of the semantics of whether he chose the sodding left backs or not.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 11, 2020 8:01:09 GMT
Scholes has every right to defend himself at what was a spiky but perfectly reasonable question about the fiasco that has been our left back situation.
The way he answered it is the measure of man, sums up why we are, where we are, confirms no lessons have been learned and affirms the fact that he considers supporters to be idiots.
Whilst this tosspot remains in situ, then the owners deserve every bit of stick they get and Scholes himself can just fuck off on the night train back to Blackburn, the great shithawk.
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Post by rednwhiteblood on Mar 11, 2020 8:47:44 GMT
It’s failing at the moment, but your last paragraph sums your state of mind up when it comes to Scholes because you’re blaming him for failures but refusing to acknowledge the success that preceded it. You can’t have it both ways. That’s like saying Hitler was a good elder cause they are winning after 2 years his ten year legacy is we are back where we stared having wasted 224 million pounds and over £700 million revenue . We have had some amazing moments and memories to look back on, so wasted isn't a word I'd use. I don't like the guy but its hypocritical to only state his part in mistakes the club have made. You could tell last night that John Coates is a stokie and hes loaded, so thankfully the club is in very safe hands. The manager we all seem very happy with, so that's great. Scholes fair play hes a bit of a dweeb, but we cant have it all, there has to be someone there to blame because no matter how much people like you moan, we are stoke, nothing will run smoothly and everyone makes mistakes ✌
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Post by bristolcityinpeace on Mar 11, 2020 9:08:23 GMT
Of course- depends on how much the price is, what with the option etc. Read differing predictions on it. My starting point though is clarifying whether the option is with us. Can't remember the player, Czech I think he is. Didn't you pay about 9 million pounds for him not so long back ? Kalas- £8m was the reported fee in the summer, loaned him and brought him last summer. Record signing I think. Though there's some speculation about the fee, whether it includes add ons etc- headline fee was that but may well have been the case that him and Da Silva cost £9m combined... Main question I guess is we hold the option to buy Afobe?
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Post by chigstoke on Mar 11, 2020 9:11:04 GMT
It’s failing at the moment, but your last paragraph sums your state of mind up when it comes to Scholes because you’re blaming him for failures but refusing to acknowledge the success that preceded it. You can’t have it both ways. That’s like saying Hitler was a good elder cause they are winning after 2 years his ten year legacy is we are back where we stared having wasted 224 million pounds and over £700 million revenue . I'm incredibly impressed that you've somehow managed to fit Adolf Hitler into a conversation about Tony Scholes. From a fan forum.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 11, 2020 9:45:05 GMT
That’s like saying Hitler was a good elder cause they are winning after 2 years his ten year legacy is we are back where we stared having wasted 224 million pounds and over £700 million revenue . We have had some amazing moments and memories to look back on, so wasted isn't a word I'd use. I don't like the guy but its hypocritical to only state his part in mistakes the club have made. You could tell last night that John Coates is a stokie and hes loaded, so thankfully the club is in very safe hands. The manager we all seem very happy with, so that's great. Scholes fair play hes a bit of a dweeb, but we cant have it all, there has to be someone there to blame because no matter how much people like you moan, we are stoke, nothing will run smoothly and everyone makes mistakes ✌ The difference is I am not a serial Moaner by dis identity years ago that the official field leadership of the chief executive was going to lead us to trouble as Vested interest in maintaining the status quo and complacency were intrinsic in our culture set by him. Nothing on Monday changed that view .
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Post by AlliG on Mar 11, 2020 11:58:12 GMT
We have had some amazing moments and memories to look back on, so wasted isn't a word I'd use. I don't like the guy but its hypocritical to only state his part in mistakes the club have made. You could tell last night that John Coates is a stokie and hes loaded, so thankfully the club is in very safe hands. The manager we all seem very happy with, so that's great. Scholes fair play hes a bit of a dweeb, but we cant have it all, there has to be someone there to blame because no matter how much people like you moan, we are stoke, nothing will run smoothly and everyone makes mistakes ✌ The difference is I am not a serial Moaner by dis identity years ago that the official field leadership of the chief executive was going to lead us to trouble as Vested interest in maintaining the status quo and complacency were intrinsic in our culture set by him. Nothing on Monday changed that view .
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 11, 2020 12:33:10 GMT
We’ve signed 2 senior left backs in the last decade. Which is quite ridiculous and goes way beyond the manager imo. No it doesn’t. Surely you can’t think there is some deep lying anti left full back conspiracy at board room level? Pieters was first choice for four years so we didn’t need another one, and then we were minutes away from signing Robertson from Hull before Liverpool snatched him away. Granted, since then we’ve had an issue there but, in my opinion, that’s due to Martins Indi still being at the club as a senior player and big earner. I simply don’t think we can make the squad work financially if we bring in a senior left back and keep BMI at the club at the same time. I think since when Cartwright came in transfers have been a collective decision yes and I think the club policy has negated it. Pieters was good for us but it was always a position we needed a bit more from and that was neglected. BMI should have no influence over whether we signed a left back. But then signing 2 CBs scuppered that in the summer. Totally uneccessary.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 13:29:07 GMT
The one thing that cheered me up after reading all this nonsense is that O'Neill is happy just buying 3-4 players in the summer. He distinctively does not want to buy 10 players (hello, Rowett and Jones). On the one hand it's a surprise since we have so many players that over a lengthy period of time have proven not good enough and despite having a bloated squad we are thin in certain areas. On the other it's a massive vote of confidence in the players that will be left here after the summer is gone, those on lengthy contracts and the few successes that we currently have(did I hear anyone mentioning a new contract for Powell?). Among the former are the relative failures in the current squad (Tymon), but O'Neill appears to be happy to work with those, to develop them for better times ahead. He does really come across as a level headed chap who feels he can get the best out of whoever he works with. I imagine a lot of that comes from what he has to work with in the Northern Ireland set up and the limitations that brings. No, not a lot; everything comes from his experience as manager of NI. It also seems that everyone over there are extremely appreciative of what he has done, and if anyone had a bad word for him, I've yet to hear it - although that does not mean we can't be critical about some of his tactical or selection decisions sometimes.
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Post by ceejays on Mar 11, 2020 14:09:29 GMT
The question about non executives should have been rephrased to ask why are shareholders refused to attend board meetings? There are people other than the family who have shares
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 11, 2020 14:15:25 GMT
We also signed Tymon, can't remember how much for but he had been a regular for Hull at a very young age. Who knows why he didn't progress but at the time he seemed a good prospect.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 11, 2020 14:22:29 GMT
You can say a lot of things about what the club hierarchy have done wrong in the very recent past but you do get the impression that Coates Jnr is very much still intent on making the club punch its maximum weight again. He wants to spend money which is only a good thing, its imperative to get it right this time, recruitment (as he says) is massive
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 11, 2020 14:25:33 GMT
After listening to the event, it seems that the sole focus, as it should be is getting the right people in the right jobs on the recruitment side. If that entails a DOF only time will tell.
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Post by mamasgloves on Mar 11, 2020 15:24:17 GMT
We also signed Tymon, can't remember how much for but he had been a regular for Hull at a very young age. Who knows why he didn't progress but at the time he seemed a good prospect. Hardly a regular, he played less than 10 first team games for them I think Edit - 5 league games, 7 in the cups
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 11, 2020 21:14:10 GMT
So you think Tony Scholes signed Stephen Ward and Josh Tymon? I think Scholes limited the prospects of signing a decent replacement. For all we know O’Neill could have produced a list of left backs and Scholes and co could’ve just said, nah here’s Stephen Ward he’ll do the job. It could be that O’Neill thought Ward was a great choice then decided that instead he would play Bruno, but that seems a bit of an odd thing to do considering the comments he’s made about the squad size... I don’t think he would say anything of the sort. He’s a bean counter and therefore would look at the financial aspect, which at the moment means either sell BMI and bring in a full back, or don’t sell him and make do with what we’ve got.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 11, 2020 21:16:39 GMT
No it doesn’t. Surely you can’t think there is some deep lying anti left full back conspiracy at board room level? Pieters was first choice for four years so we didn’t need another one, and then we were minutes away from signing Robertson from Hull before Liverpool snatched him away. Granted, since then we’ve had an issue there but, in my opinion, that’s due to Martins Indi still being at the club as a senior player and big earner. I simply don’t think we can make the squad work financially if we bring in a senior left back and keep BMI at the club at the same time. I think since when Cartwright came in transfers have been a collective decision yes and I think the club policy has negated it. Pieters was good for us but it was always a position we needed a bit more from and that was neglected. BMI should have no influence over whether we signed a left back. But then signing 2 CBs scuppered that in the summer. Totally uneccessary. I will never accept that a CEO with no football experience or background has a say in what players we sign other than from a financial perspective. He’s a bean counter and a mouthpiece of the owners, nothing more or less.
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Post by adi on Mar 11, 2020 21:21:07 GMT
I think Scholes limited the prospects of signing a decent replacement. For all we know O’Neill could have produced a list of left backs and Scholes and co could’ve just said, nah here’s Stephen Ward he’ll do the job. It could be that O’Neill thought Ward was a great choice then decided that instead he would play Bruno, but that seems a bit of an odd thing to do considering the comments he’s made about the squad size... I don’t think he would say anything of the sort. He’s a bean counter and therefore would look at the financial aspect, which at the moment means either sell BMI and bring in a full back, or don’t sell him and make do with what we’ve got. If that is the case then we should invest in a PROPER DoF, and push Scholes to the back out of the way.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 11, 2020 21:21:43 GMT
I think since when Cartwright came in transfers have been a collective decision yes and I think the club policy has negated it. Pieters was good for us but it was always a position we needed a bit more from and that was neglected. BMI should have no influence over whether we signed a left back. But then signing 2 CBs scuppered that in the summer. Totally uneccessary. I will never accept that a CEO with no football experience or background has a say in what players we sign other than from a financial perspective. He’s a bean counter and a mouthpiece of the owners, nothing more or less. Isn't it pretty accepted that he was/is part of the group that discusses transfer targets? And then there's the players we signed and gave new contracts to when there was no manager.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 11, 2020 21:29:43 GMT
I will never accept that a CEO with no football experience or background has a say in what players we sign other than from a financial perspective. He’s a bean counter and a mouthpiece of the owners, nothing more or less. Isn't it pretty accepted that he was/is part of the group that discusses transfer targets? And then there's the players we signed and gave new contracts to when there was no manager. He will be involved from a financial viewpoint, as you would reasonably expect him to be. Criticism of players slipping through the net due to contract talks stalling are down to him, but there is no way he’s recommended players to high profile football managers based on his own limited football knowledge.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 11, 2020 21:33:28 GMT
I don’t think he would say anything of the sort. He’s a bean counter and therefore would look at the financial aspect, which at the moment means either sell BMI and bring in a full back, or don’t sell him and make do with what we’ve got. If that is the case then we should invest in a PROPER DoF, and push Scholes to the back out of the way. I’m not sure our current manager would like that kind of set up. The question of a DOF was asked on Monday, but was answered by John Coates.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 11, 2020 21:33:43 GMT
Isn't it pretty accepted that he was/is part of the group that discusses transfer targets? And then there's the players we signed and gave new contracts to when there was no manager. He will be involved from a financial viewpoint, as you would reasonably expect him to be. Criticism of players slipping through the net due to contract talks stalling are down to him, but there is no way he’s recommended players to high profile football managers based on his own limited football knowledge. I hope you're right, I don't think you are.
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Post by adi on Mar 11, 2020 21:35:28 GMT
If that is the case then we should invest in a PROPER DoF, and push Scholes to the back out of the way. I’m not sure our current manager would like that kind of set up. The question of a DOF was asked on Monday, but was answered by John Coates. Which in itself probably tells you something ☹️
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Post by markby on Mar 11, 2020 22:01:34 GMT
He asked for Sauvignon Blanc to be used instead of the whisky (which he never drinks) and the Guinness (which he only drinks in Belfast) so get your thinking caps on boys and girls 😉 Didn’t the Northern Ireland fans have some ditty about him to the tune of sweet Caroline? Yes we do sing Sweet Caroline, but it's not about Michael:
Anyhow, I'm pretty sure he doesn't like songs about him, not even "Michael, Michael, give us a wave". Not sure why, but that's just the way he is.
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