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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 10, 2020 10:20:54 GMT
The next journalist who says were run by good knowledgeable football people, I'll shove a fence post up his arse. Read about what is happening at Charlton then tell me you are not happy to be owned by the Coates family even if they come with Scholes.
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Post by mrred on Mar 10, 2020 10:30:09 GMT
Stolen from Twitter as it's fucking brilliant.
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Post by mrred on Mar 10, 2020 10:32:47 GMT
As for the rest of it, O'Neil seems like a real gentleman. Tony Scholes further cements himself as a slippery little rat. And the system works apparently...
Ever likely we've been on such a downward spiral with such an attitude.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 10, 2020 10:35:41 GMT
Pugs I fully understand the underlying sentiments of your post and to a great extent agree with such. We “collectively” have to move on for the benefit of all. However I hope you’ll agree that there’s still a level “smugness” by comment toward the supporters from the hierarchy (in particular TS) that doesn’t help to heal the wounds of relegation. Hopefully MON is the man who will deliver success (I think he is) and become a bridge between club and supporters which will allow both JC and TS to melt into the background (whilst keeping their gobs shut). Heres to a successful future.......I getting to old to miss out on another promotion. Is there smugness? Not sure, they look and sound pretty contrite to me. How would you react to a bombardment of questions by fans who just can't seem to let anything go? I'm surprised the Butler Street stand wasn't mentioned! Like I say, it's very much Scholes out for me but Coates family love him. The manager is key for us - they've got it right this time. I don't always agree with you Pugs - but in this case I think you are spot on. It has taken longer than all of us hoped to turn things round. After relegation there is no doubt that the club did repeat some of the errors which led to that relegation. The biggest errors (no doubt made with the best intentions) concerned the appointment of two below par managers and financial backing which brought several duds to the club albeit not at Imbula prices! Finally the club have appointed a manager who I believe is the best manager the club has had since the move to the new stadium. Had we not spent big money in backing the previous two poor managers, we'd have been able to push the boat out and give MON the finance we'd all love to give him. FFP rules mean that we can't back MON the way we'd like to. Anyone who thinks that the club's owners and chief exec are not painfully aware of this, needs to give their head a wobble. But the other side of the coin is that the club is not going to continually beat its collective breast in public and bemoan the financial problems it still has. If they did that the main result would be to make MON's recruitment of good players that much harder than it already is. Plus points are: amortisation and the fact that even the most ridiculously long and ill conceived players' contracts will come to and end in a year or so. In summer 2021 the picture will look a lot rosier (in terms of FFP) than it does now. MON, more than most managers, because of his background in finance, will realise this and that is probably why he agreed to come to Stoke in the first place. So - we have a manager who isn't perfect but is light years ahead of his predecessors - and is producing the most free scoring side we have seen for many years. We have a financial straight jacket which will largely fade away in the next year. Now is the time for fans, manager, players and directors to sing from the same hymn sheet - surely that is far more important than insisting on yet more admissions of past culpability from the club owners and chief exec?
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 10, 2020 10:39:07 GMT
Stolen from Twitter as it's fucking brilliant. Brilliant!!!
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Post by southcoaststokie on Mar 10, 2020 10:51:20 GMT
Michael doesn't think much of his song does he.
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Post by werrington on Mar 10, 2020 10:52:40 GMT
Michael doesn't think much of his song does he. He's virtually asked the support to stop singing it
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 10, 2020 10:53:11 GMT
Michael doesn't think much of his song does he. He doesn't drink the whiskey He drinks Guiness in Belfast We don't know his thoughts on the Vale. Do do do dooooo
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 10, 2020 10:53:52 GMT
Tony Scholes is clearly just a YES man without any real say so.
He doesnt know anything about the running of the club commercially and at the ground. Ive always assumed the staff cant stand him and try to do things without him sticking his nose in.
He is just a day-to-day link between the board (John and Peter Coates) and the manager.
I remember that Scholes was given the responsibility to fly out to Qique Flores and negotiate his contract. Then the guy decided to turn us down. Ever since that day you rarely see Tony Scholes doing anything by himself in respect to contracts. I think the guy has very little power and John Coates is now way more hands-on.
That makes him a completely overpaid Personal Assistant for the Coates family. At least he cant fuck things up anymore, but I would like to see a REAL CEO hired. It makes it all too cosy for the board and they are never being questioned or second-guessed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 10:56:03 GMT
He is just a day-to-day link between the board (John and Peter Coates) and the manager. He is the board.
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 10, 2020 10:56:20 GMT
Here here Lakeland. Well said. If we can stay up this season, stabilise further next, with the easing of FFP we should be bang on target. I am liking what I am seeing recruitment wise thus far with the manager. the future is bright.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Mar 10, 2020 10:56:36 GMT
Michael doesn't think much of his song does he. He's virtually asked the support to stop singing it You've now got no song, you've now got no song, Martin O'Neill, you've now got no song!
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Post by chigstoke on Mar 10, 2020 11:01:42 GMT
The one positive, apart from in O'Neill we have a gem, was it sounded like there will be a recruitment team revamp. We were promised that 12 months ago. Similar questions last night were answered by bizarrely pointing at the U18s and how good they are at the moment, and... "Recruitment hasn’t been quite as good as we’d have liked and we are working with Michael (O'Neill) to come up with the right structure and team to get it right. "Bear with us on that one." Brilliant. Bear with us while we tap into another managers mind to see if he can help us out of a hole we have put ourselves in by doing exactly the same as we did with Mark Hughes, Gary Rowett and Nathan Jones. They have learned absolutely nothing. Where is the direction from the top down and if they don't have it, why are they blindly telling us the non exec director route they are taking, and keeping everything within the family is working when it clearly isn't and hangs on almost every word of any manager that could leave tomorrow? The bear with us one made me laugh when it came up.
Bear with us getting a new recruitment structure whilst we hire Paul Lambert, go down, sign Rowett, keep the same structure, sack him, hire Jones, let him bring in Chappel, sack him and then Chappel leaves.
Just how long do they expect us to 'bear with them'? It need to be done before next season starts or we are well and truly fucked.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 10, 2020 11:01:50 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Mar 10, 2020 11:02:40 GMT
He's virtually asked the support to stop singing it You've now got no song, you've now got no song, Martin O'Neill, you've now got no song! Martin O'Neill? If he doesn't want the guinness song, he won't want this one either
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Post by jzime on Mar 10, 2020 11:04:24 GMT
This thread contains the absolute worst of Stoke fans and people. Have any of you achieved anything of note? We’re all geniuses when we’re sat behind a keyboard. Good on them for fronting up again at the forum. They’re not perfect but it could be a damn sight worse. What have they said so wrong!? With the greatest of respects, John Coates hasn't particularly achieved anything in life beyond being the son of Peter Coates and the brother of the woman who founded Bet 365. He is the vice-chair of our football club because of nepotism, no other reason.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 10, 2020 11:04:48 GMT
I notice we were really quiet about FFP when we where spunking money everywhere to the tune of ~40-50 million in the summer of 2018-19.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 11:05:38 GMT
The one thing that cheered me up after reading all this nonsense is that O'Neill is happy just buying 3-4 players in the summer. He distinctively does not want to buy 10 players (hello, Rowett and Jones).
On the one hand it's a surprise since we have so many players that over a lengthy period of time have proven not good enough and despite having a bloated squad we are thin in certain areas.
On the other it's a massive vote of confidence in the players that will be left here after the summer is gone, those on lengthy contracts and the few successes that we currently have(did I hear anyone mentioning a new contract for Powell?). Among the former are the relative failures in the current squad (Tymon), but O'Neill appears to be happy to work with those, to develop them for better times ahead.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 10, 2020 11:07:52 GMT
Michael doesn't think much of his song does he. I don’t blame him it’s crap
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 10, 2020 11:09:22 GMT
The one thing that cheered me up after reading all this nonsense is that O'Neill is happy just buying 3-4 players in the summer. He distinctively does not want to buy 10 players (hello, Rowett and Jones). On the one hand it's a surprise since we have so many players that over a lengthy period of time have proven not good enough and despite having a bloated squad we are thin in certain areas. On the other it's a massive vote of confidence in the players that will be left here after the summer is gone, those on lengthy contracts and the few successes that we currently have(did I hear anyone mentioning a new contract for Powell?). Among the former are the relative failures in the current squad (Tymon), but O'Neill appears to be happy to work with those, to develop them for better times ahead. He does really come across as a level headed chap who feels he can get the best out of whoever he works with. I imagine a lot of that comes from what he has to work with in the Northern Ireland set up and the limitations that brings.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 10, 2020 11:13:17 GMT
Is there smugness? Not sure, they look and sound pretty contrite to me. How would you react to a bombardment of questions by fans who just can't seem to let anything go? I'm surprised the Butler Street stand wasn't mentioned! Like I say, it's very much Scholes out for me but Coates family love him. The manager is key for us - they've got it right this time. If the club showed even an inkling that they have learned something from all this then people wouldn't need to rake over history. The problems keep happening, case in point is the hiring of O'Neill - we've landed on our feet but that was through luck not judgement as he was seemingly 2nd if not 3rd choice, the 1st was a manager who they tried to get on the cheap that ended up with us being reported to the Football League. This is what bugs me so much about our fanbase, the acceptance of mediocrity and the fact that if everything is generally alright its a sin to dare question process and hold people to account. Scholes has shown himself to be completely useless and some just lap it up - you wonder why he is still here? You lot. Even now after the shambles of Jones and the lac of any recruitment function we are doing the exact same thing again by letting the manager decide on it's structure and personnel, its complete madness. Given my history on here you are completely incorrect about acceptance of mediocrity.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 10, 2020 11:17:29 GMT
There could a few reasons most likely to do with timing difference between payment and when the expense arises, for example if a company has a 31 march 2020 year and makes a payment for directors pension on the 25th april 2020 that wouldn't be included in the directors note at 31/3/20 (would go into 31/3/21 note) but if it related to services provided in year to 31/3/20 it would be accrued and would be in the pensions note figures. Pensions accounting is also quite complicated depending on the type of scheme too. Well I am just going to have to let this drop, but as far as I can see, timing differences do not make any difference to the fact that something is either "Pension" or "Remuneration". In the accounts that we are discussing, the "Remuneration" went up by £155k, not the "Pension". The Club have said that the Remuneration did not increase, as it was Pension.
Mate I tried to explain it to you as simply as I could as someone who prepares company accounts for a living for over 20 years you can believe me or not the accounts are not prepared on a cash paid basis, the remuneration note is on cash paid to and the cash equivalent of benefits provided to the highest paid director, the club said pay did not increase, pensions is a benefit.
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Post by tosh on Mar 10, 2020 11:27:38 GMT
I notice we were really quiet about FFP when we where spunking money everywhere to the tune of ~40-50 million in the summer of 2018-19. Probably because we thought that with Rowett spending the cash, we were buying instant promotion to the Premier league and FFP wouldn’t be an issue?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 10, 2020 11:30:14 GMT
I notice we were really quiet about FFP when we where spunking money everywhere to the tune of ~40-50 million in the summer of 2018-19. Probably because we thought that with Rowett spending the cash we were buying instant promotion to the Premier league and FFP wouldn’t be an issue? That's my entire point, to spend that volume of cash, finish 16th and then moan the next year that FFP is preventing you from investing in the first team is a fucking hilarious abdication of accountability. If anything, I think it's helping us out. These clowns have shown they can't spend money properly and are now having to heavily rely on O'Neill's talents to do more with less. We have the most expensively assembled squad ever in the second tier, and the CEO is crying foul over some rules that prevent him from spending the GDP of a small nation trying to cover up his and other people's mistakes.
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Post by tomcmod on Mar 10, 2020 11:30:36 GMT
Michael doesn't think much of his song does he. He doesn't drink the whiskey He drinks Guiness in Belfast We don't know his thoughts on the Vale. Do do do dooooo He doesn't drink whiskey, He drinks the Guinness, But only in Belfast. Gets rid of the pointless Vale part too.
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Post by Little Gary Patel on Mar 10, 2020 11:55:14 GMT
He doesn't drink the whiskey He drinks Guiness in Belfast We don't know his thoughts on the Vale. Do do do dooooo He doesn't drink whiskey, He drinks the Guinness, But only in Belfast. Gets rid of the pointless Vale part too. Wonder what he was drinking in Edinburgh when he got caught
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 12:50:49 GMT
He doesn't drink whiskey, He drinks the Guinness, But only in Belfast. Gets rid of the pointless Vale part too. Wonder what he was drinking in Edinburgh when he got caught A couple of bottles of Buckie.....
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Post by Absolution on Mar 10, 2020 12:53:13 GMT
Michael doesn't think much of his song does he. He's virtually asked the support to stop singing it If you'd been done for drink driving, and rightly or wrongly often been rumoured to have a relationship of sorts with the booze, the last thing you'd want is a song that kind of revels in your love of the ale. He's too diplomatic to say it outright, presumably aware of how bluntness towards your own fans can be negatively viewed, but he definitely gave the impression he wished we'd find a better way to celebrate him being here. I hope word gets out about this and our supporters respect his apparent wishes in the matter.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 10, 2020 13:13:28 GMT
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Post by stantheman on Mar 10, 2020 13:34:15 GMT
Michael doesn't think much of his song does he. He's virtually asked the support to stop singing it He asked for Sauvignon Blanc to be used instead of the whisky (which he never drinks) and the Guinness (which he only drinks in Belfast) so get your thinking caps on boys and girls 😉
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