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Post by bloodtypered on Mar 10, 2020 14:47:55 GMT
Who was the guy who kept talking at the front embarrassing the compare?....coaches from biddulph are not stoke city official coaches
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Post by slpmarc on Mar 10, 2020 15:48:24 GMT
Who was the guy who kept talking at the front embarrassing the compare?....coaches from biddulph are not stoke city official coaches Zigga
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 10, 2020 15:52:57 GMT
He's virtually asked the support to stop singing it He asked for Sauvignon Blanc to be used instead of the whisky (which he never drinks) and the Guinness (which he only drinks in Belfast) so get your thinking caps on boys and girls 😉 Didn’t the Northern Ireland fans have some ditty about him to the tune of sweet Caroline?
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 10, 2020 16:19:52 GMT
Imagine being one of our u-18s lads, probably beside themselves with excitement at reaching the cup final, to hear the CEO of the club say it’s “pretty good” and that they didn’t bother with coaches because they didn’t think anyone would want to watch that.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 10, 2020 16:31:27 GMT
I'm surprised that MON is staying for the whole meeting. Surely there must be some international business that needs attending to by now. I don't like how he's stepped in and fielded at least two questions that were quite obviously directed at TS. I mean, I respect him for trying to present a united front and having his CEO's back or whatever, but "What changes have been made to the vetting of potential signings after so many poor signings?" is clearly directed at Scholes and Junior. But maybe, MON is taking charge of that in which case, entirely appropriate to take the question even though because some fans don't know about the changes yet.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 10, 2020 16:34:54 GMT
That isn’t what Tony Scholes said last night at the fans forum.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 10, 2020 17:01:32 GMT
Who was the guy who kept talking at the front embarrassing the compare?....coaches from biddulph are not stoke city official coaches Zigga Not like Zigger to make a fool of himsen😆😆
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 10, 2020 17:10:03 GMT
Just watching now on You tube and I have to say it’s a pleasure to have such a good manager at our club again,he’s so articulate and never gets phased at all. As for the other pair🤔John’s heart is in the right place but he looks so uncomfortable for me.As for Scholes he must have something that none of us see
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Post by jarvinski on Mar 10, 2020 17:45:42 GMT
The compere was the embarassment as he is at every home game
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 17:53:30 GMT
Well I am just going to have to let this drop, but as far as I can see, timing differences do not make any difference to the fact that something is either "Pension" or "Remuneration". In the accounts that we are discussing, the "Remuneration" went up by £155k, not the "Pension". The Club have said that the Remuneration did not increase, as it was Pension.
Mate I tried to explain it to you as simply as I could as someone who prepares company accounts for a living for over 20 years you can believe me or not the accounts are not prepared on a cash paid basis, the remuneration note is on cash paid to and the cash equivalent of benefits provided to the highest paid director, the club said pay did not increase, pensions is a benefit. I understand that. You are completely missing my point. 45 years for myself.
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Post by bristolcityinpeace on Mar 10, 2020 18:15:04 GMT
Hi, a Bristol City fan in peace here. Always liked the atmosphere you guys generated in the PL especially...always disliked Pulis from his time with us!
O'Neill seems to be delivering some good work at your place now, but then again surprised you're so low down with the squad you have/had on paper etc...thought Rowett wasn't a brilliant fit.
Afobe- what's the state of play here? My understanding is that we have an option to buy- what Scholes says appears to contradict this?
Or at least, seems to muddy the waters a bit.
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Post by werrington on Mar 10, 2020 18:17:50 GMT
Hi, a Bristol City fan in peace here. Always like the atmosphere you guys generated in the PL especially...always disliked Pulis. O'Neill seems to be delivering some good work at your place now, but then again surprised you're so low down with the squad you have/had on paper etc...thought Rowett wasn't a brilliant fit. Afobe- what's the state of play here? My understanding is that we have an option to buy- what Scholes says appears to contradict this? Technically he’s right You have an option which means it’s not a done deal if you don’t take Stoke up on it That’s my take anyway
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Post by bristolcityinpeace on Mar 10, 2020 18:19:19 GMT
Hi, a Bristol City fan in peace here. Always like the atmosphere you guys generated in the PL especially...always disliked Pulis. O'Neill seems to be delivering some good work at your place now, but then again surprised you're so low down with the squad you have/had on paper etc...thought Rowett wasn't a brilliant fit. Afobe- what's the state of play here? My understanding is that we have an option to buy- what Scholes says appears to contradict this? Technically he’s right You have an option which means it’s not a done deal if you don’t take Stoke up on it That’s my take anyway Thanks- so it's as we were then! Option is with us though, but injury etc means we've thought a bit more.
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Post by neddy on Mar 10, 2020 18:23:41 GMT
Technically he’s right You have an option which means it’s not a done deal if you don’t take Stoke up on it That’s my take anyway Thanks- so it's as we were then! Option is with us though, but injury etc means we've thought a bit more. Won’t it depend you can afford the price?
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Post by bristolcityinpeace on Mar 10, 2020 18:27:10 GMT
Thanks- so it's as we were then! Option is with us though, but injury etc means we've thought a bit more. Won’t it depend you can afford the price? Of course- depends on how much the price is, what with the option etc. Read differing predictions on it. My starting point though is clarifying whether the option is with us.
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Post by neddy on Mar 10, 2020 18:29:38 GMT
I reckon it has to be around £7m re impairment and FFP etc or else we wouldn’t sell?
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Post by bristolcityinpeace on Mar 10, 2020 18:31:03 GMT
£7m seems fair. How long is left on his deal though, not a consideration with regards sale price?
Having 12 months left on deal can always drop fees a bit.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 10, 2020 18:33:52 GMT
This thread contains the absolute worst of Stoke fans and people. Have any of you achieved anything of note? We’re all geniuses when we’re sat behind a keyboard. Good on them for fronting up again at the forum. They’re not perfect but it could be a damn sight worse. What have they said so wrong!? If they hold a forum - they get slated If they don't hold a forum - they get slated If they answer a question well - it's ignored If they answer a question vaguely - they get slated If they don't answer a question - they get slated If they let the manager jump in and answer a question - they get slated If they don't let the manager answer a question - they get slated Crikey, If I'd poured hundreds of millions into the club and you treated me like that, I'd tell you all to take a flying jump off a cliff!
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Post by neddy on Mar 10, 2020 18:34:15 GMT
He’s only been with us 1 season and this was his second...
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 10, 2020 18:44:18 GMT
This thread contains the absolute worst of Stoke fans and people. Have any of you achieved anything of note? We’re all geniuses when we’re sat behind a keyboard. Good on them for fronting up again at the forum. They’re not perfect but it could be a damn sight worse. What have they said so wrong!? Pick any idiot off here and they'd struggle to spend 224M and take us as far backwards as the current owners and directors have, and certainly in the time frame they have. I still can't believe John dolled out that figure so casually this evening. It's not about being a keyboard warrior, or about achieving anything in life more than seeing our situation for what it is, and expecting the directors to say a bit more than "What situation?" when asked a very simple question about our situation at left back that has been present for the last few years, for example. Take your pick for the rest. Firstly, you have to have 224M to spend it. I bet virtually none of the people on here come even close to having that. Secondly, I never believed that we would ever be in the Premiership - They took us there - no one else did . Thirdly, they hired managers and trusted them, but had bad timing when getting rid of them (probably inexperience in firing managers). If Hughes had gone at the start of our relegation season, we'd quite possibly have survived. Ditto, if he'd stayed until the end of that season. Fourthly, Why should the CEO be trying to tell MON how/who to play? Sure, he could have said "I'll punt that one to Michael", but people on here are so quick to assign fault. Fifthly, I am encouraged. A seasoned International manager who took his team 100 positions up the world rankings is now our manager and seems to have set us on the right path. I believe the future is bright - The future is Red and White!
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Post by lordb on Mar 10, 2020 18:48:35 GMT
£7m seems fair. How long is left on his deal though, not a consideration with regards sale price? Having 12 months left on deal can always drop fees a bit. Would his salary demands kybosh any deal? Can see another loan.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 18:51:28 GMT
This thread contains the absolute worst of Stoke fans and people. Have any of you achieved anything of note? We’re all geniuses when we’re sat behind a keyboard. Good on them for fronting up again at the forum. They’re not perfect but it could be a damn sight worse. What have they said so wrong!? If they hold a forum - they get slated If they don't hold a forum - they get slated If they answer a question well - it's ignored If they answer a question vaguely - they get slated If they don't answer a question - they get slated If they let the manager jump in and answer a question - they get slated If they don't let the manager answer a question - they get slated Crikey, If I'd wasted hundreds of millions into the club and you treated me like that, I'd tell you all to take a flying jump off a cliff!
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 10, 2020 18:55:30 GMT
John Coates made it clear tonight that Scholes was worth the salary they pay him. But he ,John coates is one hundred per cent wrong and that's the problem Spending 224 million quid on going backwards ,is a rediculous way to run a football club Someone in the audience , actually met John half way , offered him an olive branch and suggested non executive directors to oversee the behaviour of JC himself and Tony scholes , might be appropriate after they have spent a fortune on going backwards I can't find the quote , but JC kicked that idea , straight into touch .He said , non executive directors might well have a role to play in public companies but we are not a public company , we are private company . It's our company so we can do what we want . Mmm How many times have I read on here over the years "you have to speculate to accumulate" - probably at least a hundred times. Well surprize surprize, sometimes speculation leads to ruination. We had a good 10 year run and no one can complain about the level of commitment to "speculation". We ruined ourselves. The saying "Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all" Springs to mind. I'd far rather have njoyed those 10 fantastic years than still be creeping along wishing we would "speculate to accumulate". Now we have to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off and start all over again. And, unless one of you have a couple of hundred million to throw at the club, what good does constantly heckling the owner and his chosen CEO accomplish?
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Post by bristolcityinpeace on Mar 10, 2020 18:57:11 GMT
£7m seems fair. How long is left on his deal though, not a consideration with regards sale price? Having 12 months left on deal can always drop fees a bit. Would his salary demands kybosh any deal? Can see another loan. Possible of course- he very much likes it down here, it seems though which might help. Also if we sell one or two for decent money, maybe we can mix and match the wage/transfer budget a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 18:57:42 GMT
Pick any idiot off here and they'd struggle to spend 224M and take us as far backwards as the current owners and directors have, and certainly in the time frame they have. I still can't believe John dolled out that figure so casually this evening. It's not about being a keyboard warrior, or about achieving anything in life more than seeing our situation for what it is, and expecting the directors to say a bit more than "What situation?" when asked a very simple question about our situation at left back that has been present for the last few years, for example. Take your pick for the rest. Firstly, you have to have 224M to spend it. I bet virtually none of the people on here come even close to having that. Secondly, I never believed that we would ever be in the Premiership - They took us there - no one else did . Thirdly, they hired managers and trusted them, but had bad timing when getting rid of them (probably inexperience in firing managers). If Hughes had gone at the start of our relegation season, we'd quite possibly have survived. Ditto, if he'd stayed until the end of that season. Fourthly, Why should the CEO be trying to tell MON how/who to play? Sure, he could have said "I'll punt that one to Michael", but people on here are so quick to assign fault. Fifthly, I am encouraged. A seasoned International manager who took his team 100 positions up the world rankings is now our manager and seems to have set us on the right path. I believe the future is bright - The future is Red and White! I agree with your fifth point. I can never agree with blindly defending something that has long since been defensible, but fair play to anyone that wants to.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 10, 2020 19:06:21 GMT
Is there smugness? Not sure, they look and sound pretty contrite to me. How would you react to a bombardment of questions by fans who just can't seem to let anything go? I'm surprised the Butler Street stand wasn't mentioned! Like I say, it's very much Scholes out for me but Coates family love him. The manager is key for us - they've got it right this time. If the club showed even an inkling that they have learned something from all this then people wouldn't need to rake over history. The problems keep happening, case in point is the hiring of O'Neill - we've landed on our feet but that was through luck not judgement as he was seemingly 2nd if not 3rd choice, the 1st was a manager who they tried to get on the cheap that ended up with us being reported to the Football League. This is what bugs me so much about our fanbase, the acceptance of mediocrity and the fact that if everything is generally alright its a sin to dare question process and hold people to account. Scholes has shown himself to be completely useless and some just lap it up - you wonder why he is still here? You lot. Even now after the shambles of Jones and the lac of any recruitment function we are doing the exact same thing again by letting the manager decide on it's structure and personnel, its complete madness. I'm sorry! When you look at Stoke's record over 150+ years, is there anything there to suggest anything other than Mediocrity? Do you think that because you support Stoke and don't accept mediocrity, things will change? Me? - I think that Stoke being in the Prem and reaching our first ever FA Cup final is the pinnacle of achievement for Stoke. I hope to be back at that lofty level soon!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 19:08:39 GMT
This thread contains the absolute worst of Stoke fans and people. Have any of you achieved anything of note? We’re all geniuses when we’re sat behind a keyboard. Good on them for fronting up again at the forum. They’re not perfect but it could be a damn sight worse. What have they said so wrong!? If they hold a forum - they get slated If they don't hold a forum - they get slated If they answer a question well - it's ignored If they answer a question vaguely - they get slated If they don't answer a question - they get slated If they let the manager jump in and answer a question - they get slated If they don't let the manager answer a question - they get slated Crikey, If I'd poured hundreds of millions into the club and you treated me like that, I'd tell you all to take a flying jump off a cliff! To be fair they answered everything as best as they could.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 10, 2020 19:10:34 GMT
Mate I tried to explain it to you as simply as I could as someone who prepares company accounts for a living for over 20 years you can believe me or not the accounts are not prepared on a cash paid basis, the remuneration note is on cash paid to and the cash equivalent of benefits provided to the highest paid director, the club said pay did not increase, pensions is a benefit. I understand that. You are completely missing my point. 45 years for myself. 45 years what ? Preparing statutory accounts clearly not.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 19:16:56 GMT
I understand that. You are completely missing my point. 45 years for myself. 45 years what ? Preparing statutory accounts clearly not. We both know that an auditor is a watchdog and not a bloodhound. My instincts are suggesting to me that there MIGHT be something getting swept under the carpet here. At the least I SUSPECT that there has been an error made in the Notes To The Accounts.
FCA mate.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 19:18:23 GMT
John Coates pretty much explained in the second part there why players have been loaned out and not sold. You do get the impression that the so called FFP rules aren't necessarily here to stay if reading between the lines.
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