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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 8, 2020 20:38:20 GMT
Long term, yeah great. But what do we do short term? How about Thompson filling in? I think either him or Cousins in his place is what it'll be. Great opportunity for one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 20:44:38 GMT
How about Thompson filling in? I think either him or Cousins in his place is what it'll be. Great opportunity for one of them. I'd probably prefer Thompson, although Cousins would probably be the safer/more defensive option. I'd like to see Thompson in the next 4 or 5 games, whilst we're playing those around us. Maybe Cousins for the tough run in.
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Post by stokeykez on Mar 8, 2020 21:50:06 GMT
Didnt mama do his Achilles twice, remember he was out for near on a year.
Glad we have shawcross back, when he got injured preseason really affected the team. I know we have mon who will do his best in man management but hoping that shawcross can galvanise the team for the run jn even if it is from the bench.
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Post by maine on Mar 8, 2020 22:46:40 GMT
I'm sorry, but the notion of Thompson as an adequate replacement for Joe is a joke. I'm pleased McClean is returning soon as the fight v relegation without our two best players looked too close for comfort.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 8, 2020 22:50:07 GMT
I'm sorry, but the notion of Thompson as an adequate replacement for Joe is a joke. I'm pleased McClean is returning soon as the fight v relegation without our two best players looked too close for comfort. There isn’t an adequate replacement. We’re having to make do. What alternatives do we have.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Mar 8, 2020 22:52:38 GMT
I'd give Sorenson a chance. I thought he was our best player against Man United on Monday.
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 8, 2020 22:53:05 GMT
I'm sorry, but the notion of Thompson as an adequate replacement for Joe is a joke. I'm pleased McClean is returning soon as the fight v relegation without our two best players looked too close for comfort. I just hope our two best players stay fit.
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Post by Gods on Mar 8, 2020 23:22:33 GMT
I'm sorry, but the notion of Thompson as an adequate replacement for Joe is a joke. I'm pleased McClean is returning soon as the fight v relegation without our two best players looked too close for comfort. Allen and Mclean are without any shadow of a doubt the players who have contributed the most this season with honourable mention to Sam Clucas, all 3 hold their heads up high as we sift through the carnage of this season in the summer recess.
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Post by jarhead on Mar 9, 2020 6:34:44 GMT
Can we recall woods?
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 9, 2020 7:48:52 GMT
McClean coming back, hopefully next week, will allow Powell to go back into the centre with Thompson or Cousins dropping deeper. Not ideal but probably the best option. What little I have seen of Sorensen I have liked but to throw him in at this stage of the relegation scrap? I am not sure. Think you will be disappointed with regards to McClean mate.He was seen limping into the ground on Saturday which would indicate he is still some way off a starting position.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 7:55:58 GMT
You're shackling him, I'm not. If you’re playing him deeper you are automatically to a degree because it’s not his best role and he will have more defensive duties. Why not just play Clucas and Thompson with Powell at 10 and see how that goes? I'm not playing him "deeper" as you see it. I'm having him retread slightly to help out with defensive chores, which is not a big ask as he is already doing that anyway. I don't know wtf you mean. I am playing Clucas and Thompson behind Powell...do you really mean to say we're having this discussion when all along we want the same thing?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 7:58:56 GMT
I'm sorry, but the notion of Thompson as an adequate replacement for Joe is a joke. I'm pleased McClean is returning soon as the fight v relegation without our two best players looked too close for comfort. Allen and Mclean are without any shadow of a doubt the players who have contributed the most this season with honourable mention to Sam Clucas, all 3 hold their heads up high as we sift through the carnage of this season in the summer recess. So McClean didn't cost us points at the start of the season? I'm sorry, he runs and runs, that's fine, but he's not an important contributor, so help us NJ...
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 9, 2020 7:59:29 GMT
I'm sorry, but the notion of Thompson as an adequate replacement for Joe is a joke. I'm pleased McClean is returning soon as the fight v relegation without our two best players looked too close for comfort. There isn’t an adequate replacement. We’re having to make do. What alternatives do we have. Absolutely.We are fortunate in that we have a manager who seems to get the best out of the pool of players available to him.He has worked miracles with Northern Ireland and hopefully will do the same with the Allen dilemma.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 9, 2020 8:00:13 GMT
If you’re playing him deeper you are automatically to a degree because it’s not his best role and he will have more defensive duties. Why not just play Clucas and Thompson with Powell at 10 and see how that goes? I'm not playing him "deeper" as you see it. I'm having him retread slightly to help out with defensive chores, which is not a big ask as he is already doing that anyway. I don't know wtf you mean. I am playing Clucas and Thompson behind Powell...do you really mean to say we're having this discussion when all along we want the same thing? No, because I want Powell to play as an out and out number 10 and any 'retread' that impedes that is a waste of him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 8:02:36 GMT
I'm not playing him "deeper" as you see it. I'm having him retread slightly to help out with defensive chores, which is not a big ask as he is already doing that anyway. I don't know wtf you mean. I am playing Clucas and Thompson behind Powell...do you really mean to say we're having this discussion when all along we want the same thing? No, because I want Powell to play as an out and out number 10 and any 'retread' that impedes that is a waste of him. You're going to have to take that up with Powell himself as it is his natural inclination to drop back to help when needed.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 9, 2020 8:10:38 GMT
No, because I want Powell to play as an out and out number 10 and any 'retread' that impedes that is a waste of him. You're going to have to take that up with Powell himself as it is his natural inclination to drop back to help when needed. That isn't the same thing. Of course off the ball when we're under the cosh he'll chase back and put a tackle in here and there - most players in that position still do that. What you're asking for is for him to play deeper which automatically puts him in among the muck and bullets and changes his role. That's what happened on the previous couple of occasions he was started in a deeper role. He had some nice touches but was largely neutered.
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Post by chigstoke on Mar 9, 2020 9:21:58 GMT
Would be nice for him to step up and take a chance
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Post by Northy on Mar 9, 2020 9:36:19 GMT
I presume all the oatcake ACL experts after Bojan and the Rochdale pitch incident are demanding we don't play on our pitch now after 2 in a few weeks? Meanwhile Rochdale, Tranmere and Blackpool's pitches are worse than that FA cup tie, and nobody is breaking down, you'd expect at least 1 a game
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 10:29:50 GMT
You're going to have to take that up with Powell himself as it is his natural inclination to drop back to help when needed. That isn't the same thing. Of course off the ball when we're under the cosh he'll chase back and put a tackle in here and there - most players in that position still do that. What you're asking for is for him to play deeper which automatically puts him in among the muck and bullets and changes his role. That's what happened on the previous couple of occasions he was started in a deeper role. He had some nice touches but was largely neutered. No that's what you're imagining in your mystic mind. I'm asking him, but really all the players, to add 10% more to their game, helping out where before Allen was running all over the place (often to little purpose and gain), but I'm primarily asking and expecting Powell to be Powell. We're still not safe. We can't really afford to interprete the 4-2-3-1 as a virtual 4-2-4, with Powell snugging as a shadowy striker. With Allen gone, not that I mind that, we're going to have to aim more at a 4-3-3 or even 4-5-1 interpretation of the 4-2-3-1. It's all very well saying we'll just ask Thompson to play a little further forward in an Allen role, but that's a big ask of a fairly inexperienced player. He's going to need help and I'm not sure that Clucas alone can do that. So where else can he get that? He's not going to get any from Ince. McClean is not yet fit, so if we play Powell as a 10, just who is playing as 11? Such a pity that Verlinden was injured on the same night as JM, as I think he could have made the position his own and made everyone forget about the Derryman. Furthermore Thompson's role so far has been as a virtual anchor, sitting in front of the defense. That role could still be sitting in the back of his mind, which would leave Clucas very isolated in central midfield. No we're going to need Powell to be the team player going forward and back. With the rich vein of form he's in, he can do it without one cramping the other. Just don't sub him if we're only one goal ahead...
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Joe Allen
Mar 9, 2020 10:43:42 GMT
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 9, 2020 10:43:42 GMT
That isn't the same thing. Of course off the ball when we're under the cosh he'll chase back and put a tackle in here and there - most players in that position still do that. What you're asking for is for him to play deeper which automatically puts him in among the muck and bullets and changes his role. That's what happened on the previous couple of occasions he was started in a deeper role. He had some nice touches but was largely neutered. No that's what you're imagining in your mystic mind. I'm asking him, but really all the players, to add 10% more to their game, helping out where before Allen was running all over the place (often to little purpose and gain), but I'm primarily asking and expecting Powell to be Powell. We're still not safe. We can't really afford to interprete the 4-2-3-1 as a virtual 4-2-4, with Powell snugging as a shadowy striker. With Allen gone, not that I mind that, we're going to have to aim more at a 4-3-3 or even 4-5-1 interpretation of the 4-2-3-1. It's all very well saying we'll just ask Thompson to play a little further forward in an Allen role, but that's a big ask of a fairly inexperienced player. He's going to need help and I'm not sure that Clucas alone can do that. So where else can he get that? He's not going to get any from Ince. McClean is not yet fit, so if we play Powell as a 10, just who is playing as 11? Such a pity that Verlinden was injured on the same night as JM, as I think he could have made the position his own and made everyone forget about the Derryman. Furthermore Thompson's role so far has been as a virtual anchor, sitting in front of the defense. That role could still be sitting in the back of his mind, which would leave Clucas very isolated in central midfield. No we're going to need Powell to be the team player going forward and back. With the rich vein of form he's in, he can do it without one cramping the other. Just don't sub him if we're only one goal ahead... Mate you’re all over the shop here. On the one hand you’re implying you’re not bothered about Allen being out because all he does is ‘run all over the place often to little purpose and gain’ and then you spend the next 3 pages trying to work out how we are going to cover for his loss and who we have(and haven’t) got to fill the void. He’s either no loss or irreplaceable. Which one is it?
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Post by pez75 on Mar 9, 2020 10:51:25 GMT
Massive loss. I just hope as a team we can plug the gap and keep our momentum going becasue the truth is we do not have another player who can replace Allen.
Him, Clucas, Powell & Campbell are the heartbeat of MON's side and we need them all to complete the job of staying up this season.
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Post by podolipotter on Mar 9, 2020 10:59:18 GMT
Tough call Joe, but I wish you well for the future and a speedy recovery.
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Post by torquaypotter on Mar 9, 2020 11:01:07 GMT
This really is funny because most of the so called fans on here .Did not have time for Allen Most of them saying things like Headless chicken Leaving gapes when attacting
Myself I thought wasa very productive player and made a good captain
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 9, 2020 11:05:05 GMT
That isn't the same thing. Of course off the ball when we're under the cosh he'll chase back and put a tackle in here and there - most players in that position still do that. What you're asking for is for him to play deeper which automatically puts him in among the muck and bullets and changes his role. That's what happened on the previous couple of occasions he was started in a deeper role. He had some nice touches but was largely neutered. No that's what you're imagining in your mystic mind. I'm asking him, but really all the players, to add 10% more to their game, helping out where before Allen was running all over the place (often to little purpose and gain), but I'm primarily asking and expecting Powell to be Powell. We're still not safe. We can't really afford to interprete the 4-2-3-1 as a virtual 4-2-4, with Powell snugging as a shadowy striker. With Allen gone, not that I mind that, we're going to have to aim more at a 4-3-3 or even 4-5-1 interpretation of the 4-2-3-1. It's all very well saying we'll just ask Thompson to play a little further forward in an Allen role, but that's a big ask of a fairly inexperienced player. He's going to need help and I'm not sure that Clucas alone can do that. So where else can he get that? He's not going to get any from Ince. McClean is not yet fit, so if we play Powell as a 10, just who is playing as 11? Such a pity that Verlinden was injured on the same night as JM, as I think he could have made the position his own and made everyone forget about the Derryman. Furthermore Thompson's role so far has been as a virtual anchor, sitting in front of the defense. That role could still be sitting in the back of his mind, which would leave Clucas very isolated in central midfield. No we're going to need Powell to be the team player going forward and back. With the rich vein of form he's in, he can do it without one cramping the other. Just don't sub him if we're only one goal ahead... Yeah, in a 4-3-3 Powell is deeper and thus not playing the same role. However you want to dress it up, that's actually how it works.
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 9, 2020 11:12:05 GMT
That isn't the same thing. Of course off the ball when we're under the cosh he'll chase back and put a tackle in here and there - most players in that position still do that. What you're asking for is for him to play deeper which automatically puts him in among the muck and bullets and changes his role. That's what happened on the previous couple of occasions he was started in a deeper role. He had some nice touches but was largely neutered. No that's what you're imagining in your mystic mind. I'm asking him, but really all the players, to add 10% more to their game, helping out where before Allen was running all over the place (often to little purpose and gain), but I'm primarily asking and expecting Powell to be Powell. We're still not safe. We can't really afford to interprete the 4-2-3-1 as a virtual 4-2-4, with Powell snugging as a shadowy striker. With Allen gone, not that I mind that, we're going to have to aim more at a 4-3-3 or even 4-5-1 interpretation of the 4-2-3-1. It's all very well saying we'll just ask Thompson to play a little further forward in an Allen role, but that's a big ask of a fairly inexperienced player. He's going to need help and I'm not sure that Clucas alone can do that. So where else can he get that? He's not going to get any from Ince. McClean is not yet fit, so if we play Powell as a 10, just who is playing as 11? Such a pity that Verlinden was injured on the same night as JM, as I think he could have made the position his own and made everyone forget about the Derryman. Furthermore Thompson's role so far has been as a virtual anchor, sitting in front of the defense. That role could still be sitting in the back of his mind, which would leave Clucas very isolated in central midfield. No we're going to need Powell to be the team player going forward and back. With the rich vein of form he's in, he can do it without one cramping the other. Just don't sub him if we're only one goal ahead... Why do you want the whole team to add 10% more to their game to fill in for Joe, when his effort was often to little purpose and gain?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 12:24:16 GMT
No that's what you're imagining in your mystic mind. I'm asking him, but really all the players, to add 10% more to their game, helping out where before Allen was running all over the place (often to little purpose and gain), but I'm primarily asking and expecting Powell to be Powell. We're still not safe. We can't really afford to interprete the 4-2-3-1 as a virtual 4-2-4, with Powell snugging as a shadowy striker. With Allen gone, not that I mind that, we're going to have to aim more at a 4-3-3 or even 4-5-1 interpretation of the 4-2-3-1. It's all very well saying we'll just ask Thompson to play a little further forward in an Allen role, but that's a big ask of a fairly inexperienced player. He's going to need help and I'm not sure that Clucas alone can do that. So where else can he get that? He's not going to get any from Ince. McClean is not yet fit, so if we play Powell as a 10, just who is playing as 11? Such a pity that Verlinden was injured on the same night as JM, as I think he could have made the position his own and made everyone forget about the Derryman. Furthermore Thompson's role so far has been as a virtual anchor, sitting in front of the defense. That role could still be sitting in the back of his mind, which would leave Clucas very isolated in central midfield. No we're going to need Powell to be the team player going forward and back. With the rich vein of form he's in, he can do it without one cramping the other. Just don't sub him if we're only one goal ahead... Mate you’re all over the shop here. On the one hand you’re implying you’re not bothered about Allen being out because all he does is ‘run all over the place often to little purpose and gain’ and then you spend the next 3 pages trying to work out how we are going to cover for his loss and who we have(and haven’t) got to fill the void. He’s either no loss or irreplaceable. Which one is it? You appear to have missed out on one simple detail. Allen isn't playing for the rest of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 12:26:09 GMT
No that's what you're imagining in your mystic mind. I'm asking him, but really all the players, to add 10% more to their game, helping out where before Allen was running all over the place (often to little purpose and gain), but I'm primarily asking and expecting Powell to be Powell. We're still not safe. We can't really afford to interprete the 4-2-3-1 as a virtual 4-2-4, with Powell snugging as a shadowy striker. With Allen gone, not that I mind that, we're going to have to aim more at a 4-3-3 or even 4-5-1 interpretation of the 4-2-3-1. It's all very well saying we'll just ask Thompson to play a little further forward in an Allen role, but that's a big ask of a fairly inexperienced player. He's going to need help and I'm not sure that Clucas alone can do that. So where else can he get that? He's not going to get any from Ince. McClean is not yet fit, so if we play Powell as a 10, just who is playing as 11? Such a pity that Verlinden was injured on the same night as JM, as I think he could have made the position his own and made everyone forget about the Derryman. Furthermore Thompson's role so far has been as a virtual anchor, sitting in front of the defense. That role could still be sitting in the back of his mind, which would leave Clucas very isolated in central midfield. No we're going to need Powell to be the team player going forward and back. With the rich vein of form he's in, he can do it without one cramping the other. Just don't sub him if we're only one goal ahead... Why do you want the whole team to add 10% more to their game to fill in for Joe, when his effort was often to little purpose and gain? I trust you can work that one out yourself.
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Post by Miles Offside on Mar 9, 2020 12:54:34 GMT
Although he's not very big, Joe's always struck me as a physically and mentally tough character.
It's a damned shame about his injury, and I think we'll realise his contribution to our midfield now he's missing for the rest of the season.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 9, 2020 13:02:26 GMT
Mate you’re all over the shop here. On the one hand you’re implying you’re not bothered about Allen being out because all he does is ‘run all over the place often to little purpose and gain’ and then you spend the next 3 pages trying to work out how we are going to cover for his loss and who we have(and haven’t) got to fill the void. He’s either no loss or irreplaceable. Which one is it? You appear to have missed out on one simple detail. Allen isn't playing for the rest of the season. Eh?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 9, 2020 15:03:27 GMT
Allen and Mclean are without any shadow of a doubt the players who have contributed the most this season with honourable mention to Sam Clucas, all 3 hold their heads up high as we sift through the carnage of this season in the summer recess. So McClean didn't cost us points at the start of the season? I'm sorry, he runs and runs, that's fine, but he's not an important contributor, so help us NJ... Jones cost us points by not getting a proper left back in and playing McClean out of position. Once playing in his natural position McClean became the prime candidate for player of the season and main contributor to our turn round in fortunes. Both McClean and Allen are massive losses - they do the dirty jobs that provides the flair players with the platform to strut their stuff. Without them the flair players just end up being ineffectual show ponies with a disappointed fan club. Fortunately in Thompson and Cousins we have some unspectacular workhorses and Oakley-Boothe to keep the fancy dan fan clubs happy.
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