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Post by greenhoff on Mar 2, 2020 21:55:56 GMT
He's our main and it could be argued our only creative outlet. He definitely needs moving back inside where he's much more effective.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Mar 3, 2020 11:24:44 GMT
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 3, 2020 12:11:07 GMT
Take him out and let's see how many chances we create. It's not just goals and assists, his ability to create and find space is really good, he has a good passing range, great individual skill, chemistry with out best striker, is good in the air and has played the pass before the pass before the goal (a pre-assist) several times this year, often with a clever flick round the corner.
Seriously, in a shit squad he's one of the few shining lights and his performances and statistics since he became a regular starter demonstrate how important he has been for us. The comparison to Ince is laughable, Powell is producing a goal or an assist every 152 mins since being a regular starter, which is twice as often as Tom Ince on 305 minutes in his Stoke Career which then jumps to 4 times as often (599 mins) if you only count Ince's minutes this season.
Here's a full list while I'm here, mins per goal/assist using basic Transfermarkt statistics:
Powell: 152 (since new year)
Campbell: 180
Vokes: 185
McClean: 202
Powell: 203 (total, the fact this only moves by 50 mins shows how little chance he had in his first 10 appearances)
Gregory: 244 (some pens in there mind)
Clucas: 310
Joe Allen: 482
Tom Ince: 599
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Post by dirtygary69 on Mar 3, 2020 12:18:03 GMT
It seems a lot of people would much rather players put in safe, basic 6/10 performances week after week than someone who can produce a 10/10 at their best. He's creative, he's different and yes he's often frustrating but without him we'd be even worse to watch. It really bugs me that people can't see what he brings to the team and I wonder what they want from watching football.
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 6, 2020 7:18:48 GMT
Powell is one of them players that when he fancies it, he’s one of the best in the championship. Unfortunately he doesn’t fancy it very often. I don't think you can question his work ethic can you?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 8:23:27 GMT
Powell is one of them players that when he fancies it, he’s one of the best in the championship. Unfortunately he doesn’t fancy it very often. I don't think you can question his work ethic can you? Certain games yes. There are times he simply doesn’t look interested. But that’s why he’s at the level he is now. He has all the potential to become a decent top end championship player but attitude and consistency is what’s held him back. Hopefully we can get consistency and next season push on with him being the focal point in the team
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 7, 2020 9:03:07 GMT
I don't think you can question his work ethic can you? Certain games yes. There are times he simply doesn’t look interested. But that’s why he’s at the level he is now. He has all the potential to become a decent top end championship player but attitude and consistency is what’s held him back. Hopefully we can get consistency and next season push on with him being the focal point in the team Sorry mate, again can you define consistency for me if we’re saying he isn’t producing consistently since he’s come into the team and provided at least one key contribution to virtually every game we’ve won in that time? How many players of his type play brilliantly for every minute of every game every week?
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 7, 2020 9:15:30 GMT
He offers the creativity and very often with those players when they aren’t on it they present as being worse than the plodders. He also has the added shitehouse to the opposition factor which we have missed since SJW, Hugh, Annie. So for me, I like him and he should start and compared to that waster Ince after his contributions, then Powell has loads of credit left in the tank.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 7, 2020 9:18:16 GMT
Certain games yes. There are times he simply doesn’t look interested. But that’s why he’s at the level he is now. He has all the potential to become a decent top end championship player but attitude and consistency is what’s held him back. Hopefully we can get consistency and next season push on with him being the focal point in the team Sorry mate, again can you define consistency for me if we’re saying he isn’t producing consistently since he’s come into the team and provided at least one key contribution to virtually every game we’ve won in that time? How many players of his type play brilliantly for every minute of every game every week? The thing is players like Powell are the ones whose commitment is questioned. John Barnes for example.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 10:07:48 GMT
Certain games yes. There are times he simply doesn’t look interested. But that’s why he’s at the level he is now. He has all the potential to become a decent top end championship player but attitude and consistency is what’s held him back. Hopefully we can get consistency and next season push on with him being the focal point in the team Sorry mate, again can you define consistency for me if we’re saying he isn’t producing consistently since he’s come into the team and provided at least one key contribution to virtually every game we’ve won in that time? How many players of his type play brilliantly for every minute of every game every week? He’s started perhaps what 14/15 games out of 36 in the league? Out of those games he’s turned up in perhaps a third of them. Not sure of his record but he’s scored maybe 3? Created 4? For me in his role it needs be better.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 10:17:18 GMT
Sorry mate, again can you define consistency for me if we’re saying he isn’t producing consistently since he’s come into the team and provided at least one key contribution to virtually every game we’ve won in that time? How many players of his type play brilliantly for every minute of every game every week? He’s started perhaps what 14/15 games out of 36 in the league? Out of those games he’s turned up in perhaps a third of them. Not sure of his record but he’s scored maybe 3? Created 4? For me in his role it needs be better. I’m sorry sir but I think you are talking absolute arse gravy. Those stats are as iffy as the Wuhan death toll.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 10:23:27 GMT
He’s started perhaps what 14/15 games out of 36 in the league? Out of those games he’s turned up in perhaps a third of them. Not sure of his record but he’s scored maybe 3? Created 4? For me in his role it needs be better. I’m sorry sir but I think you are talking absolute arse gravy. Those stats are as iffy as the Wuhan death toll. Your opinion is your opinion. If your deluded then carry on chief
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 7, 2020 10:30:05 GMT
Sorry mate, again can you define consistency for me if we’re saying he isn’t producing consistently since he’s come into the team and provided at least one key contribution to virtually every game we’ve won in that time? How many players of his type play brilliantly for every minute of every game every week? He’s started perhaps what 14/15 games out of 36 in the league? Out of those games he’s turned up in perhaps a third of them. Not sure of his record but he’s scored maybe 3? Created 4? For me in his role it needs be better. He’s started 11, scored two, has four direct assists and played a key role in further goals against West Brom, Cardiff and Charlton. I’d say that’s pretty consistent. Without him we’d be a damn sight worse off.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 7, 2020 10:30:45 GMT
I’m sorry sir but I think you are talking absolute arse gravy. Those stats are as iffy as the Wuhan death toll. Your opinion is your opinion. If your deluded then carry on chief Is this about him being a Crewe fan and ‘hating Stoke’?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 10:33:09 GMT
Your opinion is your opinion. If your deluded then carry on chief Is this about him being a Crewe fan and ‘hating Stoke’? Didn’t realise he was a Crewe fan and hated stoke. Thought it was about his footballing ability? But it seems most on here assume you dislike someone when you knock a player
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Mar 7, 2020 10:33:20 GMT
Sorry mate, again can you define consistency for me if we’re saying he isn’t producing consistently since he’s come into the team and provided at least one key contribution to virtually every game we’ve won in that time? How many players of his type play brilliantly for every minute of every game every week? The thing is players like Powell are the ones whose commitment is questioned. John Barnes for example. From what I've seen Powell runs and closes down more than anyone else. Looks like the hardest working player as well as the most creative. I can't believe the debate to be honest, to me he's our best player, with Campbell just behind, and these two are the reason we won't get relegated this season. If these two are fit and focused I expect us to pull clear once and for all in these next four games
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 10:36:54 GMT
I’m sorry sir but I think you are talking absolute arse gravy. Those stats are as iffy as the Wuhan death toll. Your opinion is your opinion. If your deluded then carry on chief I just think to say he’s lazy is completely unfounded. There’s an age old thing with Stoke fans who hate flare players. It’s reminiscent of the attitude of the entire city. Anything new or different or quirky and people turn their nose up at it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 10:43:09 GMT
Your opinion is your opinion. If your deluded then carry on chief I just think to say he’s lazy is completely unfounded. There’s an age old thing with Stoke fans who hate flare players. It’s reminiscent of the attitude of the entire city. Anything new or different or quirky and people turn their nose up at it. Can’t remember calling him lazy. Must be on this thread somewhere..... you will have to show it me
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 7, 2020 10:45:35 GMT
Is this about him being a Crewe fan and ‘hating Stoke’? Didn’t realise he was a Crewe fan and hated stoke. Thought it was about his footballing ability? But it seems most on here assume you dislike someone when you knock a player It’s just a weird take based on how important he’s clearly been mate.
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Post by jarhead on Mar 7, 2020 10:45:52 GMT
Trust me and I will say it again... he’s fuckin awful
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Post by jarhead on Mar 7, 2020 10:46:29 GMT
I hope He scores and creates though today obviously 😂
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 7, 2020 10:50:54 GMT
Trust me and I will say it again... he’s fuckin awful He’s done pretty well for an awful player though Jarrers? How does that work?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 10:52:43 GMT
Didn’t realise he was a Crewe fan and hated stoke. Thought it was about his footballing ability? But it seems most on here assume you dislike someone when you knock a player It’s just a weird take based on how important he’s clearly been mate. I think he can and could be better in time. It’s no dislike of the player I just haven’t been blown away by him. Some seem easily pleased. For me I want more. But I would say that about every single player at present
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 7, 2020 10:56:22 GMT
It’s just a weird take based on how important he’s clearly been mate. I think he can and could be better in time. It’s no dislike of the player I just haven’t been blown away by him. Some seem easily pleased. For me I want more. But I would say that about every single player at present More than a contribution to a goal every other game, which is pretty much his current rate? Improve on that and he won’t be here long mate.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 11:03:30 GMT
I think he can and could be better in time. It’s no dislike of the player I just haven’t been blown away by him. Some seem easily pleased. For me I want more. But I would say that about every single player at present More than a contribution to a goal every other game, which is pretty much his current rate? Improve on that and he won’t be here long mate. Good. If he improves on that it will mean the club will be going forward. At 25 he’s got a lot of years ahead of him. Playing regular instead of half a season and building up partnerships with strikers and midfielders he could be very effective which would hopefully propel us to a top 6 finish not bottom 4.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 11:15:38 GMT
I just think to say he’s lazy is completely unfounded. There’s an age old thing with Stoke fans who hate flare players. It’s reminiscent of the attitude of the entire city. Anything new or different or quirky and people turn their nose up at it. Can’t remember calling him lazy. Must be on this thread somewhere..... you will have to show it me Others have and I think you are implying that to a degree.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 7, 2020 11:29:56 GMT
I started off having him in the lazy show pony club, having watched him closely, he’s far from that. He’s a hard niggly bastard that works well and plays some killer passes. The type of player that if playing against us the majority would be raving about. We’ll need him fit if we’re going to survive
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 11:34:46 GMT
Can’t remember calling him lazy. Must be on this thread somewhere..... you will have to show it me Others have and I think you are implying that to a degree. You can imply whatever you like.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 15:17:15 GMT
Others have and I think you are implying that to a degree. You can imply whatever you like. 🙂🙂🙂
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 15:34:11 GMT
Consider me in love, streamja.com/Kyr67 starts the move with a great little flick after recovering the ball and finishes it too.
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