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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 21, 2020 14:44:57 GMT
A tragedy for those who died in the lorry. An horrific death. Some very young, with families. Exploited by people traffickers. I guess they wanted a better life in Britain. Perhaps they have family here? They were already in France and Belgium, safe countries. What are they fleeing from in Vietnam? How many have actually come into the country that we don't know about? Essex lorry deaths: Two men guilty of killing 39 migrants found in back of trailer The Vietnamese migrants - 28 men, eight women and three children aged between 15 and 44 - were found dead in the back of a lorry trailer in Grays, Essex, as the temperature inside reached an 'unbearable' 38.5C f7td5.app.goo.gl/k5UBhjVery sad. There’s always someone looking to exploit the vulnerable.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 22, 2020 17:31:44 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 22, 2020 17:39:59 GMT
Bang on the money this isn’t political. Unfortunately there will always be organised crime and people so desperate to get out of their own country they’ll risk their lives and pay for the privilege to get out.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 21, 2021 13:50:24 GMT
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Post by foster on Jan 21, 2021 13:58:54 GMT
This is a complicated situation. We can't just let them in otherwise it's basically opening the door to anyone, which in turn isn't sustainable. Better living conditions and something to do (labour work) while they are being processed is a start. But ultimately I think the issue will only be resolved if we and other richer nations provide the poorer ones with more support. South America is looking a right mess now with the refugees all heading up towards the US. There are just too many people in the world, along with too much greed, and therefore not enough to go around.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 21, 2021 21:35:34 GMT
Have we still got the dinghys
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 22, 2021 18:48:02 GMT
Bang on the money this isn’t political. Unfortunately there will always be organised crime and people so desperate to get out of their own country they’ll risk their lives and pay for the privilege to get out. Good to see those involved on this end of this have been locked up, we now need to track down the prospective employers and do the same with them they are as guilty as these scum bags, it would also be good to track down all those in Vietnam who were involved in these operations, seems these people were not fleeing rather coming here to work to send money home that is the real root of the problem find these employers shut them down and lock them away for a very long time.
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Post by hoffgreen on Jan 29, 2021 17:49:01 GMT
The new British showing their appreciation
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 29, 2021 17:50:18 GMT
The new British showing their appreciation Send them all back across the channel , more money for the British taxpayer to fork out
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 29, 2021 18:01:27 GMT
The new British showing their appreciation Send them all back across the channel , more money for the British taxpayer to fork out Fcuking ungrateful illegal scum bags they have no right to be here as you say deport the lot on masse as a matter of urgency.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 29, 2021 18:14:41 GMT
The new British showing their appreciation How do these poor destitute downtrodden people afford mobile phones and contracts, they all appear to have them when they enter illegally which is odd as none of them have any passports or paperwork
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 27, 2021 9:30:32 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 27, 2021 23:10:37 GMT
Doesn't look like it John.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 28, 2021 6:44:21 GMT
Doesn't look like it John. That's why I've asked the question Prestwich ...but I would not necessarily believe the Home office on this. Farage has been a more vociferous critic of Johnson and Patel than Labour and the self appointed spokespersons for " the left"...... as they continue their perennial infighting about antisemitism , Zionism etc .....of which the wider public are not deeply concerned as an immediate issue ......that's certainly hitting home. According to the Guardian...Covid is a problem at the Napier camp, certainly for those in Kent...we've created a bit of a problem there, a couple of asylum seekers " escaping " daily. Not much social distancing going on, as with the actual Channel crossings. Farage will be proved correct, in more ways than one to draw attention to it, whilst the " left" fail to distance themselves from Labour's " busted flush" status. Everyone would be better off if we stopped the crossings, except perhaps the French. Kent refugee site locked down after scores test positive for Covid | Refugees | The Guardian www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/19/kent-refugee-napier-barracks-locked-down-covid
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 28, 2021 8:16:30 GMT
Doesn't look like it John. That's why I've asked the question Prestwich ...but I would not necessarily believe the Home office on this. Farage has been a more vociferous critic of Johnson and Patel than Labour and the self appointed spokespersons for " the left"...... as they continue their perennial infighting about antisemitism , Zionism etc .....of which the wider public are not deeply concerned as an immediate issue ......that's certainly hitting home. According to the Guardian...Covid is a problem at the Napier camp, certainly for those in Kent...we've created a bit of a problem there, a couple of asylum seekers " escaping " daily. Not much social distancing going on, as with the actual Channel crossings. Farage will be proved correct, in more ways than one to draw attention to it, whilst the " left" fail to distance themselves from Labour's " busted flush" status. Everyone would be better off if we stopped the crossings, except perhaps the French. Kent refugee site locked down after scores test positive for Covid | Refugees | The Guardian www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/19/kent-refugee-napier-barracks-locked-down-covidBit of a dilemma for you then John, you asked if it were true but you don’t necessarily believe the evidence that it isn’t. I’ll leave that one with you my friend.....
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 28, 2021 8:25:12 GMT
Oggyoggy and chwamkfa will be on here to tell you it’s all made up lies and we should be bringing all our asylum seeking brothers from across the channel from war torn France
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 28, 2021 8:47:57 GMT
That's why I've asked the question Prestwich ...but I would not necessarily believe the Home office on this. Farage has been a more vociferous critic of Johnson and Patel than Labour and the self appointed spokespersons for " the left"...... as they continue their perennial infighting about antisemitism , Zionism etc .....of which the wider public are not deeply concerned as an immediate issue ......that's certainly hitting home. According to the Guardian...Covid is a problem at the Napier camp, certainly for those in Kent...we've created a bit of a problem there, a couple of asylum seekers " escaping " daily. Not much social distancing going on, as with the actual Channel crossings. Farage will be proved correct, in more ways than one to draw attention to it, whilst the " left" fail to distance themselves from Labour's " busted flush" status. Everyone would be better off if we stopped the crossings, except perhaps the French. Kent refugee site locked down after scores test positive for Covid | Refugees | The Guardian www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/19/kent-refugee-napier-barracks-locked-down-covidBit of a dilemma or you then John, you asked if it were true but you don’t necessarily believe the evidence that it isn’t. I’ll leave that one with you my friend..... Not really a dilemma at all, It's always worth asking the question, even about the "evidence". Evidence can be subjective, a matter of perspective, interpretation.. ..." was Corbyn an antisemite?" What's the " evidence" for that ?etc I would not necessarily always believe the Home Office...this issue is more likely to be a thorn in the side of the Tories than Labour's little spat. As he lives in Kent, and being 21 miles from France , I can understand Farage's concern and criticism of Boris and Patel and they will be concerned. I don't think that they are too bothered about the Left at present. The Napier camp is a problem for several reasons and according to the Guardian, the virus is rife there. From the Guardian Asylum seekers on the site said they had been keeping a tally of the number of positive cases of coronavirus and claimed about 100 had been returned. The Home Office would not comment on the numbers. The outbreak follows repeated warnings from humanitarian organisations and healthcare professionals over the significant risks posed by Covid-19 at the site, which has been dogged by allegations of overcrowding and poor conditions. Kent has been one of the worst-hit areas of the country and is where the new, more transmissible variant of Covid-19 was first detected. Folkestone and Hythe, where the site is located, has a rate of about 572 cases per 100,000, above the average for England The minister for immigration compliance, Chris Philp, said: “Despite our best efforts a number of those accommodated at the site have tested positive for coronavirus and are self-isolating. “It is incredibly disappointing that prior to this a number of individuals refused tests and have been either refusing to self-isolate or follow social distancing rules, despite repeated requests to do so and these being national guidelines to protect the NHS and save lives.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 28, 2021 9:27:13 GMT
Bit of a dilemma or you then John, you asked if it were true but you don’t necessarily believe the evidence that it isn’t. I’ll leave that one with you my friend..... Not really a dilemma at all, It's always worth asking the question, even about the "evidence". Evidence can be subjective, a matter of perspective, interpretation.. ..." was Corbyn an antisemite?" What's the " evidence" for that ?etc I would not necessarily always believe the Home Office...this issue is more likely to be a thorn in the side of the Tories than Labour's little spat. As he lives in Kent, and being 21 miles from France , I can understand Farage's concern and criticism of Boris and Patel and they will be concerned. I don't think that they are too bothered about the Left at present. The Napier camp is a problem for several reasons and according to the Guardian, the virus is rife there. From the Guardian Asylum seekers on the site said they had been keeping a tally of the number of positive cases of coronavirus and claimed about 100 had been returned. The Home Office would not comment on the numbers. The outbreak follows repeated warnings from humanitarian organisations and healthcare professionals over the significant risks posed by Covid-19 at the site, which has been dogged by allegations of overcrowding and poor conditions. Kent has been one of the worst-hit areas of the country and is where the new, more transmissible variant of Covid-19 was first detected. Folkestone and Hythe, where the site is located, has a rate of about 572 cases per 100,000, above the average for England The minister for immigration compliance, Chris Philp, said: “Despite our best efforts a number of those accommodated at the site have tested positive for coronavirus and are self-isolating. “It is incredibly disappointing that prior to this a number of individuals refused tests and have been either refusing to self-isolate or follow social distancing rules, despite repeated requests to do so and these being national guidelines to protect the NHS and save lives. No worries John, not sure what Labour had to do with this particular instance but it’s your prerogative to keep bringing them into it. I hope you asked the same questions of Farage’s made up immigration poster back in the day. Anyway I suppose whether 12 or 1 tested positive, they were found, tested and will no doubt be quarantining so good news all round.....
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 28, 2021 9:28:46 GMT
Oggyoggy and chwamkfa will be on here to tell you it’s all made up lies and we should be bringing all our asylum seeking brothers from across the channel from war torn France It’s actually the Home Office in this instance.....
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 28, 2021 9:36:17 GMT
Not really a dilemma at all, It's always worth asking the question, even about the "evidence". Evidence can be subjective, a matter of perspective, interpretation.. ..." was Corbyn an antisemite?" What's the " evidence" for that ?etc I would not necessarily always believe the Home Office...this issue is more likely to be a thorn in the side of the Tories than Labour's little spat. As he lives in Kent, and being 21 miles from France , I can understand Farage's concern and criticism of Boris and Patel and they will be concerned. I don't think that they are too bothered about the Left at present. The Napier camp is a problem for several reasons and according to the Guardian, the virus is rife there. From the Guardian Asylum seekers on the site said they had been keeping a tally of the number of positive cases of coronavirus and claimed about 100 had been returned. The Home Office would not comment on the numbers. The outbreak follows repeated warnings from humanitarian organisations and healthcare professionals over the significant risks posed by Covid-19 at the site, which has been dogged by allegations of overcrowding and poor conditions. Kent has been one of the worst-hit areas of the country and is where the new, more transmissible variant of Covid-19 was first detected. Folkestone and Hythe, where the site is located, has a rate of about 572 cases per 100,000, above the average for England The minister for immigration compliance, Chris Philp, said: “Despite our best efforts a number of those accommodated at the site have tested positive for coronavirus and are self-isolating. “It is incredibly disappointing that prior to this a number of individuals refused tests and have been either refusing to self-isolate or follow social distancing rules, despite repeated requests to do so and these being national guidelines to protect the NHS and save lives. No worries John, not sure what Labour had to do with this particular instance but it’s your prerogative to keep bringing them into it. I hope you asked the same questions of Farage’s made up immigration poster back in the day. Anyway I suppose whether 12 or 1 tested positive, they were found, tested and will no doubt be quarantining so good news all round..... Exactly, Labour and the Left have nothing to say on it. it is a dilemma for them, per se they would have to assume the moral high ground by being " on the side of the immigrants "...so better not to be involved and stick to " was our past, now irrelevant, " leader: an antisemite?" I'd question the evidence for your " no doubt "......there is plenty of doubt...many of the arrivals ( who may or may not have Covid) do not even enter the camps...the " evidence " from the Guardian says that isolation was a problem,....and reportedly there have been escapes from the camps. If it was happening in our county, perhaps it would be more of a concern.....but best not Labour and the Left get involved with some leadership eh.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 28, 2021 10:21:55 GMT
It would appear that the French are not helping refugees in Calais.....far from it, they are being brutal, even using tear gas........AND things have got markedly worse since Covid.....a further risk that we are importing. ................... This is why asylum seekers are crossing The Channel in high numbers in 2020, as government looks to make journey 'unviable' www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/the-truth-behind-channel-crossings-232187/?cmpredirectThe French government also reduced food aid, so that meant conditions got even harder, and for some people that tipped the balance for them and made getting into a boat seem like a viable alternative." One student from Faversham told KentOnline of the harrowing situation she discovered after travelling to Calais as a volunteer, just as charities were leaving "en masse" due to the pandemic. She said: "The French police aggressively evict the refugee camps every other day, making people move their tents, their belongings and themselves to a small roadside area. At one point during the crisis, Care4Calais was the only non-governmental organisation (NGO) helping people seeking asylum in the French port city, with less than 10 volunteers available to them. The charity also say that tactics of brutality enacted by the French government could be influencing how desperate asylum seekers are to traverse the choppy waters of the Strait of Dover. Mr Wilson said: "They're using tear gas and creating this hostile environment which pushes people there to think 'I've got no choice but to make the crossing'." More than 4,000 people have crossed the Channel in 2020 so far, which marks a definite increase in the number of people attempting to make it to the UK by water.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 28, 2021 10:26:09 GMT
No worries John, not sure what Labour had to do with this particular instance but it’s your prerogative to keep bringing them into it. I hope you asked the same questions of Farage’s made up immigration poster back in the day. Anyway I suppose whether 12 or 1 tested positive, they were found, tested and will no doubt be quarantining so good news all round..... Exactly, Labour and the Left have nothing to say on it. it is a dilemma for them, per se they would have to assume the moral high ground by being " on the side of the immigrants "...so better not to be involved and stick to " was our past, now irrelevant, " leader: an antisemite?" I'd question the evidence for your " no doubt "......there is plenty of doubt...many of the arrivals ( who may or may not have Covid) do not even enter the camps...the " evidence " from the Guardian says that isolation was a problem,....and reportedly there have been escapes from the camps. If it was happening in our county, perhaps it would be more of a concern.....but best not Labour and the Left get involved with some leadership eh. It certainly is a dilemma for them John. Not sure of the relevance to Farage’s tweet but yep it’s a dilemma alright.....
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 28, 2021 10:28:17 GMT
It would appear that the French are not helping refugees in Calais.....far from it, they are being brutal, even using tear gas........AND things have got markedly worse since Covid.....a further risk that we are importing. ................... This is why asylum seekers are crossing The Channel in high numbers in 2020, as government looks to make journey 'unviable' www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/the-truth-behind-channel-crossings-232187/?cmpredirectThe French government also reduced food aid, so that meant conditions got even harder, and for some people that tipped the balance for them and made getting into a boat seem like a viable alternative." One student from Faversham told KentOnline of the harrowing situation she discovered after travelling to Calais as a volunteer, just as charities were leaving "en masse" due to the pandemic. She said: "The French police aggressively evict the refugee camps every other day, making people move their tents, their belongings and themselves to a small roadside area. At one point during the crisis, Care4Calais was the only non-governmental organisation (NGO) helping people seeking asylum in the French port city, with less than 10 volunteers available to them. The charity also say that tactics of brutality enacted by the French government could be influencing how desperate asylum seekers are to traverse the choppy waters of the Strait of Dover. Mr Wilson said: "They're using tear gas and creating this hostile environment which pushes people there to think 'I've got no choice but to make the crossing'." More than 4,000 people have crossed the Channel in 2020 so far, which marks a definite increase in the number of people attempting to make it to the UK by water. That’s Macron’s government for you John. And he’s the type of politician many in this country aspire to run the country......
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 28, 2021 10:29:15 GMT
Exactly, Labour and the Left have nothing to say on it. it is a dilemma for them, per se they would have to assume the moral high ground by being " on the side of the immigrants "...so better not to be involved and stick to " was our past, now irrelevant, " leader: an antisemite?" I'd question the evidence for your " no doubt "......there is plenty of doubt...many of the arrivals ( who may or may not have Covid) do not even enter the camps...the " evidence " from the Guardian says that isolation was a problem,....and reportedly there have been escapes from the camps. If it was happening in our county, perhaps it would be more of a concern.....but best not Labour and the Left get involved with some leadership eh. It certainly is a dilemma for them John. Not sure of the relevance to Farage’s tweet but yep it’s a dilemma alright..... Farage is drawing attention to it, I guess we all draw attention to things that matter....in his case many will see what he says as relevant. Channel migrants: More than 8,000 people make crossing in 2020 Published www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-55501123
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 28, 2021 10:31:53 GMT
It certainly is a dilemma for them John. Not sure of the relevance to Farage’s tweet but yep it’s a dilemma alright..... Farage is drawing attention to it, I guess we all draw attention to things that matter....in his case many will see what he says as relevant. Channel migrants: More than 8,000 people make crossing in 2020 Published www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-55501123As long as he’s dealing in facts John. And not slinging a load of shit in the hope that some it sticks. Not that I’m suggesting Nige has form when it comes to that of course.....
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 28, 2021 10:43:30 GMT
Farage is drawing attention to it, I guess we all draw attention to things that matter....in his case many will see what he says as relevant. Channel migrants: More than 8,000 people make crossing in 2020 Published www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-55501123As long as he’s dealing in facts John. And not slinging a load of shit in the hope that some it sticks. Not that I’m suggesting Nige has form when it comes to that of course..... I think he gets most things right. I think it is a fact that people are crossing the Channel to claim asylum, putting their own lives at risk and some may have Covid. Perhaps you'd prefer to ignore it and then it would not exist.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 28, 2021 11:24:23 GMT
As long as he’s dealing in facts John. And not slinging a load of shit in the hope that some it sticks. Not that I’m suggesting Nige has form when it comes to that of course..... I think he gets most things right. I think it is a fact that people are crossing the Channel to claim asylum, putting their own lives at risk and some may have Covid. Perhaps you'd prefer to ignore it and then it would not exist. I’m not ignoring it John, migrants crossing the challenge has always been an issue, the pandemic has added another dimension but it’s not a new thing. What do you think the government should do long term to ensure we don’t keep playing a part in destabilising large parts of the world and creating millions of refugees in the process?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 28, 2021 11:36:26 GMT
What we COULD have done, unlike Labour and the Tories
What we do now, try not to interefere, in the sense of we can solve all problems. Unfortunately I think that we are going to go through a period in history of turbulence and as much as you might not like it we need to look after our own , as most countries do BUT work as much as we can to support and build up developing countries, it won't happen overnight and when China, the environment and what is happening in North Africa/ Nigeria is thrown into the equation it doesn't look too good. And I think that we should try to move away from party politics in this country, I don't think the Left have worked out that they are always going to be the losers against the natural party of government.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 28, 2021 12:03:55 GMT
What we COULD have done, unlike Labour and the Tories What we do now, try not to interefere, in the sense of we can solve all problems. Unfortunately I think that we are going to go through a period in history of turbulence and as much as you might not like it we need to look after our own , as most countries do BUT work as much as we can to support and build up developing countries, it won't happen overnight and when China, the environment and what is happening in North Africa/ Nigeria is thrown into the equation it doesn't look too good. And I think that we should try to move away from party politics in this country, I don't think the Left have worked out that they are always going to be the losers against the natural party of government. That would be a start, but of course there’s absolutely no signs that our foreign policy will change soon. You managed to shoehorn a sentence in about “The Left” as well John so fair play to you.....
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Post by zerps on Feb 28, 2021 12:08:43 GMT
Isn’t this just another major racism issue?
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