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Post by Eggybread on Feb 19, 2020 9:15:31 GMT
www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-uks-points-based-immigration-system-policy-statement/the-uks-points-based-immigration-system-policy-statement"We will not introduce a general low-skilled or temporary work route. We need to shift the focus of our economy away from a reliance on cheap labour from Europe and instead concentrate on investment in technology and automation. Employers will need to adjust." No more carers,hospitality workers,etc etc then .Should be interesting. Cheap Labour??? So everyone who works in low paid jobs now are classed as cheap Labour by this caring government. Invest in technology and automation And whos going to pay for that? Automation?? So much for brexit increasing the British mans wage then. I need to adjust How many on here qualify? 70 points needed. Characteristics Tradeable Points Offer of job by approved sponsor No 20 Job at appropriate skill level No 20 Speaks English at required level No 10 Salary of £20,480 (minimum) – £23,039 Yes 0 Salary of £23,040 – £25,599 Yes 10 Salary of £25,600 or above Yes 20 Job in a shortage occupation (as designated by the MAC) Yes 20 Education qualification: PhD in subject relevant to the job Yes 10 Education qualification: PhD in a STEM subject relevant to the job Yes 20 The rules for family reunion, asylum and border crossing checks are outside of the points-based system. However, they will remain integral to the transformation of the UK’s new immigration system programme What does that even mean?
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 19, 2020 9:30:34 GMT
England expects! As the foreigners they despise return to their native lands it is the patriotic duty of all retired people who voted Tory/Brexit to pick cabbages in Lincolnshire and turnips in Cambridgeshire. Dig for victory! As Priti Patel said, economic inactivity is laziness!
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Post by chigstoke on Feb 19, 2020 9:38:48 GMT
www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-uks-points-based-immigration-system-policy-statement/the-uks-points-based-immigration-system-policy-statement"We will not introduce a general low-skilled or temporary work route. We need to shift the focus of our economy away from a reliance on cheap labour from Europe and instead concentrate on investment in technology and automation. Employers will need to adjust." No more carers,hospitality workers,etc etc then .Should be interesting. Cheap Labour??? So everyone who works in low paid jobs now are classed as cheap Labour by this caring government. Invest in technology and automation And whos going to pay for that? Automation?? So much for brexit increasing the British mans wage then. I need to adjust How many on here qualify? 70 points needed. Characteristics Tradeable Points Offer of job by approved sponsor No 20 Job at appropriate skill level No 20 Speaks English at required level No 10 Salary of £20,480 (minimum) – £23,039 Yes 0 Salary of £23,040 – £25,599 Yes 10 Salary of £25,600 or above Yes 20 Job in a shortage occupation (as designated by the MAC) Yes 20 Education qualification: PhD in subject relevant to the job Yes 10 Education qualification: PhD in a STEM subject relevant to the job Yes 20The rules for family reunion, asylum and border crossing checks are outside of the points-based system. However, they will remain integral to the transformation of the UK’s new immigration system programme What does that even mean? Oof, those are some awful requirements. Christ, those I've bolded and highlighted I do NOT meet those requirements. I don't have a PhD relevant to my job nor one in a STEM subject, my wage is fucking shit. I'd probably score 50 points.
What sort of requirements are these!?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Feb 19, 2020 9:39:24 GMT
I've always found the lionisation of the "points-based Australian system" quite funny, given that plenty of people in Australia moan their bag off about their immigration system. It would be like Australians making a big deal about how great the British weather is.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Feb 19, 2020 9:41:33 GMT
www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-uks-points-based-immigration-system-policy-statement/the-uks-points-based-immigration-system-policy-statement"We will not introduce a general low-skilled or temporary work route. We need to shift the focus of our economy away from a reliance on cheap labour from Europe and instead concentrate on investment in technology and automation. Employers will need to adjust." No more carers,hospitality workers,etc etc then .Should be interesting. Cheap Labour??? So everyone who works in low paid jobs now are classed as cheap Labour by this caring government. Invest in technology and automation And whos going to pay for that? Automation?? So much for brexit increasing the British mans wage then. I need to adjust How many on here qualify? 70 points needed. Characteristics Tradeable Points Offer of job by approved sponsor No 20 Job at appropriate skill level No 20 Speaks English at required level No 10 Salary of £20,480 (minimum) – £23,039 Yes 0 Salary of £23,040 – £25,599 Yes 10 Salary of £25,600 or above Yes 20 Job in a shortage occupation (as designated by the MAC) Yes 20 Education qualification: PhD in subject relevant to the job Yes 10 Education qualification: PhD in a STEM subject relevant to the job Yes 20The rules for family reunion, asylum and border crossing checks are outside of the points-based system. However, they will remain integral to the transformation of the UK’s new immigration system programme What does that even mean? Oof, those are some awful requirements. Christ, those I've bolded and highlighted I do NOT meet those requirements. I don't have a PhD relevant to my job nor one in a STEM subject, my wage is fucking shit. I'd probably score 50 points. What sort of requirements are these!?
Yeah, but you were clever enough to deliberately be born in the UK - that counts for infinite points. Not everyone had the intelligence to have that kind of foresight. So you're fine, unless you're going to tell us that you were stupid enough to be born in somewhere daft like France?
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 19, 2020 10:24:01 GMT
Oof, those are some awful requirements. Christ, those I've bolded and highlighted I do NOT meet those requirements. I don't have a PhD relevant to my job nor one in a STEM subject, my wage is fucking shit. I'd probably score 50 points. What sort of requirements are these!?
Yeah, but you were clever enough to deliberately be born in the UK - that counts for infinite points. Not everyone had the intelligence to have that kind of foresight. So you're fine, unless you're going to tell us that you were stupid enough to be born in somewhere daft like France?
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 19, 2020 10:25:08 GMT
www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-uks-points-based-immigration-system-policy-statement/the-uks-points-based-immigration-system-policy-statement"We will not introduce a general low-skilled or temporary work route. We need to shift the focus of our economy away from a reliance on cheap labour from Europe and instead concentrate on investment in technology and automation. Employers will need to adjust." No more carers,hospitality workers,etc etc then .Should be interesting. Cheap Labour??? So everyone who works in low paid jobs now are classed as cheap Labour by this caring government. Invest in technology and automation And whos going to pay for that? Automation?? So much for brexit increasing the British mans wage then. I need to adjust How many on here qualify? 70 points needed. Characteristics Tradeable Points Offer of job by approved sponsor No 20 Job at appropriate skill level No 20 Speaks English at required level No 10 Salary of £20,480 (minimum) – £23,039 Yes 0 Salary of £23,040 – £25,599 Yes 10 Salary of £25,600 or above Yes 20 Job in a shortage occupation (as designated by the MAC) Yes 20 Education qualification: PhD in subject relevant to the job Yes 10 Education qualification: PhD in a STEM subject relevant to the job Yes 20 The rules for family reunion, asylum and border crossing checks are outside of the points-based system. However, they will remain integral to the transformation of the UK’s new immigration system programme What does that even mean? Change is coming and not before time
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Feb 19, 2020 10:25:59 GMT
Imagine wanting educated, skilled, English speakers with jobs to come to your country when you could instead have uneducated, unskilled, non-English speakers with no jobs instead.
#NotMyBrexit
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 10:29:17 GMT
Cheap labour FROM EUROPE is frowned upon. Cheap labour from the UK is to be encouraged. That's the upshot
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Feb 19, 2020 10:33:18 GMT
Those stipulations won't last. First it'll be 'exceptions' then it'll spiral into so many exceptions that it completely undermines the system.
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Post by riverman on Feb 19, 2020 10:38:43 GMT
Cheap labour FROM EUROPE is frowned upon. Cheap labour from the UK is to be encouraged. That's the upshot Or cheap labour from the commonwealth!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 10:51:29 GMT
I'll be honest, if having a PhD doesnt make you skilled enough to come into the country on it's own then what's the point.
What percentage of Brits wouldn't qualify for those criteria? Seems like we're shooting ourselves in the foot tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 11:04:12 GMT
Imagine wanting educated, skilled, English speakers with jobs to come to your country when you could instead have uneducated, unskilled, non-English speakers with no jobs instead. #NotMyBrexit Who’s going to look after our elderly in care homes for minimum wage fella?
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 19, 2020 11:18:38 GMT
Imagine wanting educated, skilled, English speakers with jobs to come to your country when you could instead have uneducated, unskilled, non-English speakers with no jobs instead. #NotMyBrexit Who’s going to look after our elderly in care homes for minimum wage fella? What's minimum wage or the living wage £10 or so? Maybe wages will rise and the lazy scroungers will be forced to get off their arse and get a job instead of taking the piss on benefits as a profession. If you're able to work you should be expected to do so pick up litter, paint fences look after the vulnerable. Benefits are an aid to those in need not an aspiration for the terminally lazy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 11:35:30 GMT
Who’s going to look after our elderly in care homes for minimum wage fella? What's minimum wage or the living wage £10 or so? Maybe wages will rise and the lazy scroungers will be forced to get off their arse and get a job instead of taking the piss on benefits as a profession. If you're able to work you should be expected to do so pick up litter, paint fences look after the vulnerable. Benefits are an aid to those in need not an aspiration for the terminally lazy. Doesn’t sound like much of a plan that though? Meanwhile people’s elderly relatives will be suffering over the next couple of years as homes won’t have the staff to give adequate care to residents particularly those with dementia and other specialist needs.....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 11:59:48 GMT
Imagine wanting educated, skilled, English speakers with jobs to come to your country when you could instead have uneducated, unskilled, non-English speakers with no jobs instead. #NotMyBrexit Who’s going to look after our elderly in care homes for minimum wage fella? My mum was in a care home until 18 months ago,none of the staff were foreign.
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 19, 2020 12:05:00 GMT
What's minimum wage or the living wage £10 or so? Maybe wages will rise and the lazy scroungers will be forced to get off their arse and get a job instead of taking the piss on benefits as a profession. If you're able to work you should be expected to do so pick up litter, paint fences look after the vulnerable. Benefits are an aid to those in need not an aspiration for the terminally lazy. Doesn’t sound like much of a plan that though? Meanwhile people’s elderly relatives will be suffering over the next couple of years as homes won’t have the staff to give adequate care to residents particularly those with dementia and other specialist needs..... But if they have skills then it's not an issue. I thought it was unskilled who were to be weeded out and those without job offers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 12:10:36 GMT
Who’s going to look after our elderly in care homes for minimum wage fella? My mum was in a care home until 18 months ago,none of the staff were foreign. Anecdotal evidence is fine, but the reality is there are 90,000 vacancies a year in social care being filled by roughly 18,000 British nationals. This will rise based on an ageing population. The gap will need to be filled, either by one of the 8m “economically inactive” that includes full time students, carers, people who have retired. Or by non EU nationals by raising the average salary of a care worker by between £6-8k so that they meet the requirements of the new system.....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 12:16:52 GMT
Doesn’t sound like much of a plan that though? Meanwhile people’s elderly relatives will be suffering over the next couple of years as homes won’t have the staff to give adequate care to residents particularly those with dementia and other specialist needs..... But if they have skills then it's not an issue. I thought it was unskilled who were to be weeded out and those without job offers. They’ve already defined people earning less than £23k as unskilled though under their new system. You’d have to work a lot of hours at £8.21 an hour to meet that criteria. I’m all for British people filling the void by the way, I just don’t see a strategy for ensuring it happens. The reality is that the government will very quickly shift the goalposts and the “unskilled” carer from Lithuania will he replaced by one from Ghana or Malaysia.....
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 19, 2020 12:17:38 GMT
Who’s going to look after our elderly in care homes for minimum wage fella? My mum was in a care home until 18 months ago,none of the staff were foreign. My partner is a catering manager and has worked in three nursing/carer homes and all three have many foreign workers. Approx 25% of the social care sector in England is foreign.And there is still expected to be a 200,000 shortfall by the end of this parliament due to brexit. Sounds like utopia to crapslinger,the little England he has always dreamed of..
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 19, 2020 12:18:05 GMT
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 19, 2020 12:22:37 GMT
Who’s going to look after our elderly in care homes for minimum wage fella? What's minimum wage or the living wage £10 or so? Maybe wages will rise and the lazy scroungers will be forced to get off their arse and get a job instead of taking the piss on benefits as a profession. If you're able to work you should be expected to do so pick up litter, paint fences look after the vulnerable. Benefits are an aid to those in need not an aspiration for the terminally lazy. The unemployment rate is the lowest in decades so where are the scroungers to fill the job vacancies?
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 19, 2020 12:25:15 GMT
But if they have skills then it's not an issue. I thought it was unskilled who were to be weeded out and those without job offers. They’ve already defined people earning less than £23k as unskilled though under their new system. You’d have to work a lot of hours at £8.21 an hour to meet that criteria. I’m all for British people filling the void by the way, I just don’t see a strategy for enduring it happens. The reality is that the government will very quickly shift the goalposts and the “unskilled” cared from Lithuania will he replaced by one from Ghana or Malaysia..... Money comes with training and experience so it's down to employers to train and retain. Taking care for an example as you mentioned it what skills are you talking about that the british cant do or learn. If they have specialised skills then there is no issue with a Visa your talking about low skilled care workers not specialised. So make benefits as they were intended as a safety net not an aspiration and get the people into work. No work no benefits attitudes need to change as far as entitlement goes. It takes no skills or mimimal training to pick up litter from the streets or dust in a care home or change a bed or deliver food and care and give time for a chat to the vulnerable. No contribution no help cruel to be kind not popular I know but self respect is lacking today.
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 19, 2020 12:27:54 GMT
They’ve already defined people earning less than £23k as unskilled though under their new system. You’d have to work a lot of hours at £8.21 an hour to meet that criteria. I’m all for British people filling the void by the way, I just don’t see a strategy for enduring it happens. The reality is that the government will very quickly shift the goalposts and the “unskilled” cared from Lithuania will he replaced by one from Ghana or Malaysia..... Money comes with training and experience so it's down to employers to train and retain. Taking care for an example as you mentioned it what skills are you talking about that the british cant do or learn. If they have specialised skills then there is no issue with a Visa your talking about low skilled care workers not specialised. So make benefits as they were intended as a safety net not an aspiration and get the people into work. No work no benefits attitudes need to change as far as entitlement goes. It takes no skills or mimimal training to pick up litter from the streets or dust in a care home or change a bed or deliver food and care and give time for a chat to the vulnerable. No contribution no help cruel to be kind not popular I know but self respect is lacking today. The government keep calling low wage earners "cheap labour" Wheres the respect in that?
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 19, 2020 12:28:41 GMT
What's minimum wage or the living wage £10 or so? Maybe wages will rise and the lazy scroungers will be forced to get off their arse and get a job instead of taking the piss on benefits as a profession. If you're able to work you should be expected to do so pick up litter, paint fences look after the vulnerable. Benefits are an aid to those in need not an aspiration for the terminally lazy. The unemployment rate is the lowest in decades so where are the scroungers to fill the job vacancies? Littering the streets of every town and city in the country. If able then they should be expected to contribute if they choose not to then dont ask for help as refusal often offends. So people who work all of their life and make a positive impact should have to sell their house to pay for care while the lazy fuckers get everything for free! No it's a disgrace.
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Post by Northy on Feb 19, 2020 12:28:56 GMT
Imagine wanting educated, skilled, English speakers with jobs to come to your country when you could instead have uneducated, unskilled, non-English speakers with no jobs instead. #NotMyBrexit Who’s going to look after our elderly in care homes for minimum wage fella? do it like the greeks, put granny in a room in your house ...
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 19, 2020 12:31:31 GMT
Money comes with training and experience so it's down to employers to train and retain. Taking care for an example as you mentioned it what skills are you talking about that the british cant do or learn. If they have specialised skills then there is no issue with a Visa your talking about low skilled care workers not specialised. So make benefits as they were intended as a safety net not an aspiration and get the people into work. No work no benefits attitudes need to change as far as entitlement goes. It takes no skills or mimimal training to pick up litter from the streets or dust in a care home or change a bed or deliver food and care and give time for a chat to the vulnerable. No contribution no help cruel to be kind not popular I know but self respect is lacking today. The government keep calling low wage earners "cheap labour" Wheres the respect in that? I started at the bottom as a YTS lad did I find it disrespectful no I worked and progressed up the ladder that's life pal. Too much is made of respect its earnt not a given.
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 19, 2020 12:32:51 GMT
The unemployment rate is the lowest in decades so where are the scroungers to fill the job vacancies? Littering the streets of every town and city in the country. If able then they should be expected to contribute if they choose not to then dont ask for help as refusal often offends. So people who work all of their life and make a positive impact should have to sell their house to pay for care while the lazy fuckers get everything for free! No it's a disgrace. Tax dodging corporate business is where your anger should lie.They suck billions out.But the issue is the amount of people needed does not compute with the people out of work.
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 19, 2020 12:33:44 GMT
Who’s going to look after our elderly in care homes for minimum wage fella? do it like the greeks, put granny in a room in your house ... Absolutely mate I'm making plans to convert part of our house for the mother in law and she owns her own home and has always worked so I'm dammed if she's forced to sell for her care.
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Post by franklin66 on Feb 19, 2020 12:36:22 GMT
Littering the streets of every town and city in the country. If able then they should be expected to contribute if they choose not to then dont ask for help as refusal often offends. So people who work all of their life and make a positive impact should have to sell their house to pay for care while the lazy fuckers get everything for free! No it's a disgrace. Tax dodging corporate business is where your anger should lie.They suck billions out.But the issue is the amount of people needed does not compute with the people out of work. Yep fuck them off along with all the jobs and wealth they created🤷♂️ it's a balancing act I agree but come on be honest they are plenty of shite out there who need to get real. It might not fill every vacancy then visas come it for the rest. 100% total employment and 100% no vacancies will never happen and to be honest would be a bad thing. You have to have competition to drive the economy forward.
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