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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 4, 2023 11:38:31 GMT
So the M6 will be upgraded instead. No impact on landowners, homeowners or the environment from that then.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 4, 2023 11:38:52 GMT
The money needed to do all those things has been blown on something that wasn't essential. They could have done all that by investing directly in those schemes. That money has now gone and even if the line is completed there won't be any left to do those other things. How could they have done it ? They could have spent the money improving existing lines, reopening closed lines and upgrading rolling stock. They din't need to build HS2 to do any more of that it was just bunged in as an add on justification to blowing the money on HS2. They could have also built the new northern powerhouse line (only bits of it were shared with HS2) - the north/south lines aren't actually that bad, it's east/west that is the problem. |
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Oct 4, 2023 11:40:14 GMT
There will be an absolute Tsunami of law suits now for breached contracts, not just the main contractors, but all the subbies, a pal of mine in Eccleshall has been working round the clock putting in conservation projects in and around Baldwins Gate, plus all the Farmers that had to sell land, I presume they will be able to buy back, not to mention half the village of Hopton near Stafford who all had CPO's on their property...
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Post by adri2008 on Oct 4, 2023 11:41:22 GMT
You only need to scratch the surface and look at how much contracting companies, which no doubt are used to a huge degree in HS2, are paid. The rates are eye watering and I can imagine invoices are never scrutinised. HS2 has been an absolute gravy train for construction companies - a huge job creator too of course so not total 'dead' money. Same could be said of any public/private sector partnership - the whole process needs looking at as we as a country seem incapable of delivering large scale projects on budget and on time. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 4, 2023 11:51:52 GMT
Sunak reckons 36billion quid will now ho on transport projects in the North and the Midlands. Buses on Sunday in Wolstanton would be a good start.
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Post by adri2008 on Oct 4, 2023 11:55:42 GMT
How could they have done it ? They could have spent the money improving existing lines, reopening closed lines and upgrading rolling stock. They din't need to build HS2 to do any more of that it was just bunged in as an add on justification to blowing the money on HS2. They could have also built the new northern powerhouse line (only bits of it were shared with HS2) - the north/south lines aren't actually that bad, it's east/west that is the problem. East/West is absolutely the problem. However it'd no doubt get bogged down with legal challenges etc. which of course take years to resolve. See the attempts to link Sheffield and Manchester with the bypass at Mottram delayed yet again by high court legal challenge by an environmental group. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 4, 2023 12:03:31 GMT
Sunak reckons 36billion quid will now go on transport projects in the North and the Midlands.
He genuinely does believe that we're all bunch of gullible fuckwits up here, who'll swallow any old shit, doesn't he?
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Post by andystokey on Oct 4, 2023 12:08:49 GMT
Sunak reckons 36billion quid will now ho on transport projects in the North and the Midlands. Buses on Sunday in Wolstanton would be a good start. No one I know or any area in Staffordshire will ever see a penny of that. That's just about the current interest payment on government borrowing. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 4, 2023 12:20:31 GMT
Sunak reckons 36billion quid will now ho on transport projects in the North and the Midlands. Buses on Sunday in Wolstanton would be a good start. No one I know or any area in Staffordshire will ever see a penny of that. That's just about the current interest payment on government borrowing. The only people who will see any benefit from this decision up here, are the wealthy Tory land owners who had their land compulsory purchased for vastly over inflated prices, who will now be given the opportunity to buy it back, for a fraction of what they sold it for. |
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Post by henry on Oct 4, 2023 12:43:46 GMT
Sunak reckons 36billion quid will now ho on transport projects in the North and the Midlands. Buses on Sunday in Wolstanton would be a good start. The north, the midlands and “across the country “. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 4, 2023 12:55:36 GMT
Sunak reckons 36billion quid will now ho on transport projects in the North and the Midlands. Buses on Sunday in Wolstanton would be a good start. The north, the midlands and “across the country “. ...depending on where a Tory has a chance of winning a seat ... |
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Post by knype on Oct 4, 2023 13:03:26 GMT
No one I know or any area in Staffordshire will ever see a penny of that. That's just about the current interest payment on government borrowing. The only people who will see any benefit from this decision up here, are the wealthy Tory land owners who had their land compulsory purchased for vastly over inflated prices, who will now be given the opportunity to buy it back, for a fraction of what they sold it for. Paul, stop being so bitter |
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Post by Northy on Oct 4, 2023 13:21:37 GMT
How could they have done it ? They could have spent the money improving existing lines, reopening closed lines and upgrading rolling stock. They din't need to build HS2 to do any more of that it was just bunged in as an add on justification to blowing the money on HS2. They could have also built the new northern powerhouse line (only bits of it were shared with HS2) - the north/south lines aren't actually that bad, it's east/west that is the problem. The west coast main line is to capacity, trains are often overpacked, capacity means less local services on that route. How do you improve existing lines through built up areas like Stoke (and all the other cities and towns) and major interchanges like Crewe and Stockport without causing mayhem for years in the surrounding areas, demolishing existing buildings and infrastructure. I agree some closed local lines could be reopened, and the cross Pennines route is very bad etc but that doesn't get freight off the major roads like the M6 which HS2 would have. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 4, 2023 13:28:04 GMT
They could have spent the money improving existing lines, reopening closed lines and upgrading rolling stock. They din't need to build HS2 to do any more of that it was just bunged in as an add on justification to blowing the money on HS2. They could have also built the new northern powerhouse line (only bits of it were shared with HS2) - the north/south lines aren't actually that bad, it's east/west that is the problem. The west coast main line is to capacity, trains are often overpacked, capacity means less local services on that route. How do you improve existing lines through built up areas like Stoke (and all the other cities and towns) and major interchanges like Crewe and Stockport with causing mayhem for years in the surrounding areas, demolishing existing buildings and infrastructure. I agree some closed local lines could be reopened, and the cross Pennines route is very bad etc but that doesn't get freight off the major roads like the M6 which HS2 would have. Freight doesn't need a high speed rail line. I'm no expert but it would seem to me doubling up track on existing lines would have been a damn sight cheaper than buying up and developing new land in some of the most expensive areas of the country. It was a vanity project - the money could have been better spent elsewhere. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 4, 2023 13:46:58 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 4, 2023 15:08:58 GMT
The only people who will see any benefit from this decision up here, are the wealthy Tory land owners who had their land compulsory purchased for vastly over inflated prices, who will now be given the opportunity to buy it back, for a fraction of what they sold it for. Paul, stop being so bitter If you're happy to repeatedly have your pants pulled down and watch your hard earned taxes get deliberately syphoned off, to make very wealthy people even richer, then you jolly well crack on mate. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 4, 2023 15:12:47 GMT
Exactly what I was suggesting would happen earlier today. It absolutely stinks to high heaven and it's us who has to pay for it. Meanwhile our NHS is on it's knees ... |
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Post by elystokie on Oct 4, 2023 15:25:06 GMT
Starmer will swing which way the wind is blowing Wanker of a PM hasn’t even announced officially yet, but let’s have a go at Starmer for not commenting on an unannouncement eh? Knob Knype has an endless supply of straw men and he's not afraid to use them 😉 |
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Oct 4, 2023 15:38:36 GMT
There was a legal person to do with compulsory purchases etc on the radio over the last few days, who said that it there hasn't been a material change (the house being knocked down for example), then the property/land will be first offered to the previous owner, but it would be at today's market price (so likely more expensive than two or three years ago).
Can't see it myself though!
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Post by Northy on Oct 4, 2023 15:48:17 GMT
John Bishop made £4m when his house got compulsory purchased a couple of years ago, bought it for £2m and they paid £6m for it, I wonder how much that will go on the market for ... |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 4, 2023 15:52:30 GMT
I just hope they send the canvassers around at election time. It'll be so much fun tying them up in knots.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 4, 2023 15:53:44 GMT
John Bishop made £4m when his house got compulsory purchased a couple of years ago, bought it for £2m and they paid £6m for it, I wonder how much that will go on the market for ... It makes you feel utterly sick, when you think just how many incidents of this, there's actually going to be. And it's the little people who will have to fund it. It's totally humiliating when you realise just how much we're about to be mugged off. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 16:00:26 GMT
Network North (truly in 'The Thick of It' territory now) www.gov.uk/government/news/find-out-about-every-new-transport-project-in-your-regionWest Midlands Reopening closed Beeching lines: including the Stoke to Leek line and the Oswestry to Gobowen line, with a new stop at Park Hall. A new station will be built at Meir, Stoke-on-Trent, on the existing Crewe to Derby line, Contactless and smart ticketing: £100 million will be shared across the North to support seamless travel by enabling contactless or smartcard payment. £2.2 billion fund to transform local transport: Rural counties such as Shropshire, smaller cities like Leicester and towns such as Evesham will receive funding which could pay for smaller, more demand-driven buses in rural areas as well as funding the refurbishment of Kidsgrove and Longport stations, near Stoke-on-Trent. £250 million for smaller road schemes: Including the Shrewsbury North Western Relief Road and the A4123 Birchley Island, near Oldbury. A Midlands Road Fund worth nearly £650 million will be launched for new roads. £230 million for more bus services: Increased frequency of bus services in the Midlands, which could be spent on new bus stops around Telford and park and ride upgrades elsewhere in Shropshire and new bus lanes in Herefordshire. £2.2 billion for the Midlands to combat potholes: Fixing roads causing misery for drivers. £2 bus fare extended: Until the end of December 2024 instead of rising to £2.50 as planned. £1 billion more for local transport funding in West Midlands: This includes £100 million to deal with ongoing metro and Arden Cross cost pressures, £250 million to accelerate local transport projects over the next five years. -- As i understand it, the Stoke/Leek line was already being done anyway?
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 4, 2023 16:49:37 GMT
Network North (truly in 'The Thick of It' territory now) www.gov.uk/government/news/find-out-about-every-new-transport-project-in-your-regionWest Midlands Reopening closed Beeching lines: including the Stoke to Leek line and the Oswestry to Gobowen line, with a new stop at Park Hall. A new station will be built at Meir, Stoke-on-Trent, on the existing Crewe to Derby line, Contactless and smart ticketing: £100 million will be shared across the North to support seamless travel by enabling contactless or smartcard payment. £2.2 billion fund to transform local transport: Rural counties such as Shropshire, smaller cities like Leicester and towns such as Evesham will receive funding which could pay for smaller, more demand-driven buses in rural areas as well as funding the refurbishment of Kidsgrove and Longport stations, near Stoke-on-Trent. £250 million for smaller road schemes: Including the Shrewsbury North Western Relief Road and the A4123 Birchley Island, near Oldbury. A Midlands Road Fund worth nearly £650 million will be launched for new roads. £230 million for more bus services: Increased frequency of bus services in the Midlands, which could be spent on new bus stops around Telford and park and ride upgrades elsewhere in Shropshire and new bus lanes in Herefordshire. £2.2 billion for the Midlands to combat potholes: Fixing roads causing misery for drivers. £2 bus fare extended: Until the end of December 2024 instead of rising to £2.50 as planned. £1 billion more for local transport funding in West Midlands: This includes £100 million to deal with ongoing metro and Arden Cross cost pressures, £250 million to accelerate local transport projects over the next five years. -- As i understand it, the Stoke/Leek line was already being done anyway? No- Stoke to Leek was not happening. It still won't. If HS2 had a dodgy business case , Stoke-Leek is worse. Just expect it to go to a feasibility study and then be dropped. |
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 4, 2023 16:58:40 GMT
It's certainly impressive how, having seen HS2 costs rise, all these other projects are going to be delivered without rising costs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 17:06:12 GMT
Network North (truly in 'The Thick of It' territory now) www.gov.uk/government/news/find-out-about-every-new-transport-project-in-your-regionWest Midlands Reopening closed Beeching lines: including the Stoke to Leek line and the Oswestry to Gobowen line, with a new stop at Park Hall. A new station will be built at Meir, Stoke-on-Trent, on the existing Crewe to Derby line, Contactless and smart ticketing: £100 million will be shared across the North to support seamless travel by enabling contactless or smartcard payment. £2.2 billion fund to transform local transport: Rural counties such as Shropshire, smaller cities like Leicester and towns such as Evesham will receive funding which could pay for smaller, more demand-driven buses in rural areas as well as funding the refurbishment of Kidsgrove and Longport stations, near Stoke-on-Trent. £250 million for smaller road schemes: Including the Shrewsbury North Western Relief Road and the A4123 Birchley Island, near Oldbury. A Midlands Road Fund worth nearly £650 million will be launched for new roads. £230 million for more bus services: Increased frequency of bus services in the Midlands, which could be spent on new bus stops around Telford and park and ride upgrades elsewhere in Shropshire and new bus lanes in Herefordshire. £2.2 billion for the Midlands to combat potholes: Fixing roads causing misery for drivers. £2 bus fare extended: Until the end of December 2024 instead of rising to £2.50 as planned. £1 billion more for local transport funding in West Midlands: This includes £100 million to deal with ongoing metro and Arden Cross cost pressures, £250 million to accelerate local transport projects over the next five years. -- As i understand it, the Stoke/Leek line was already being done anyway? No- Stoke to Leek was not happening. It still won't. If HS2 had a dodgy business case , Stoke-Leek is worse. Just expect it to go to a feasibility study and then be dropped. oh, i was sure it was? maybe i'm confused. this twitter account has been posting images of land and train related stuff for the leek line before the summer? twitter.com/Regenerate_SOT |
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 4, 2023 17:22:46 GMT
No- Stoke to Leek was not happening. It still won't. If HS2 had a dodgy business case , Stoke-Leek is worse. Just expect it to go to a feasibility study and then be dropped. oh, i was sure it was? maybe i'm confused. this twitter account has been posting images of land and train related stuff for the leek line before the summer? twitter.com/Regenerate_SOTLeekbrook to Stoke is being rebuilt by the Churnet Valley Railway for heritage trains. Stoke-Leek appears in many proposed reopening schemes but there has never been any approved scheme. I can only assume tgat the govt have agreed with Xhurnet Valley that their trains can run over CVR tracks from Leekbrook. The problem is how many want to travel by train from Barnfields in Leek to Stoke. Trams from the city centre to Leek might be more useful. |
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 4, 2023 17:31:27 GMT
The final act of a gready desperate government sell off to themselves cheap house's
No government in the final year and a half should be allowed to sell any assets its like insider trading and asset stripping ruled into one
Leveling up just a soundbite to persuade the gullible
Tories and tory voters be very ashamed
Get these wrip off merchants out vote anti tory
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Post by Dutchpeter on Oct 4, 2023 17:51:37 GMT
Well the western side of Staffordshire won’t now be ripped up for this monstrosity. Happy to see it gone. Sorry for sticking up for the countryside etc.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Oct 4, 2023 17:57:46 GMT
HS2 was never about speed the fact that people think it is is testament to the complete failure of the British political class -politicians and journalists- to explain what is ultimately a very simple concept. HS2 is about capacity.
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