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Post by spitthedog on Feb 11, 2020 16:11:56 GMT
Happy to pay towards that? (and the rest!)
Not that you've got any choice.
Referendum anyone?
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 11, 2020 16:39:00 GMT
Happy to pay towards that? (and the rest!) Not that you've got any choice. Referendum anyone? I'll do it for £290m a mile |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 16:44:15 GMT
Bargain.
Why are we even considering it, snap their hands off before they up the price.
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Post by yeokel on Feb 11, 2020 17:33:19 GMT
Has anyone seen any comparative costs for anywhere else in W.Europe?
It does seem somewhat extortionate, but perhaps that is the going rate for a modern railway?
I suppose it is too much to ask that the trains and other support infrastructure are actually built in the UK?
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Feb 11, 2020 17:35:38 GMT
How much is a return ticket from Manchester to London around commuter times, about £150-£180?
I suspect no forecasts of ticket prices have been mentioned but, at how much it is likely going to cost, they will only need one (SMALL) carriage on commuter trains.
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Post by felonious on Feb 11, 2020 17:54:56 GMT
Has anyone seen any comparative costs for anywhere else in W.Europe? It does seem somewhat extortionate, but perhaps that is the going rate for a modern railway? I suppose it is too much to ask that the trains and other support infrastructure are actually built in the UK? Probably less because of the vast amounts of land available. This country has a much higher population density hence the cost of houses and buying the buggers up. I've also heard on the radio that the system we will have will be state of the art and superior to anything available across the channel. It appears that the local link up will go ahead as well according to the Bill Cash discussion on the radio this afternoon mentioning Stoke and Stafford so we might see some immediate benefit to all those 4 shiny new blue seats in the area. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_and_population_of_European_countries |
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Feb 11, 2020 17:56:42 GMT
How much is a return ticket from Manchester to London around commuter times, about £150-£180? I suspect no forecasts of ticket prices have been mentioned but, at how much it is likely going to cost, they will only need one (SMALL) carriage on commuter trains. Hopefully the increased capacity and the fact that a single train will be doing more journeys per day will mean that fares are not as bad as some are predicting. |
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Post by Billybigbollox on Feb 11, 2020 18:03:14 GMT
How much is a return ticket from Manchester to London around commuter times, about £150-£180? I suspect no forecasts of ticket prices have been mentioned but, at how much it is likely going to cost, they will only need one (SMALL) carriage on commuter trains. Hopefully the increased capacity and the fact that a single train will be doing more journeys per day will mean that fares are not as bad as some are predicting. Tickets are quite a lot more on HS1, but I think they are well worth it. I think HS2 will prove to be a great investment in the long run. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 11, 2020 18:36:47 GMT
Not to be completed by 2035-2041 technology will be outdated , the biggest white elephant since the M6 Toll Road , as they said congestion will be a thing of the past when the Toll Road is completed , what bollocks that was
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 11, 2020 18:39:58 GMT
Has anyone seen any comparative costs for anywhere else in W.Europe? It does seem somewhat extortionate, but perhaps that is the going rate for a modern railway? I suppose it is too much to ask that the trains and other support infrastructure are actually built in the UK? Probably less because of the vast amounts of land available. This country has a much higher population density hence the cost of houses and buying the buggers up. I've also heard on the radio that the system we will have will be state of the art and superior to anything available across the channel. It appears that the local link up will go ahead as well according to the Bill Cash discussion on the radio this afternoon mentioning Stoke and Stafford so we might see some immediate benefit to all those 4 shiny new blue seats in the area. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_and_population_of_European_countriesimmediate? it won't reach Birmingham until about 2028 (that is if it is on time  ) |
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 11, 2020 18:41:20 GMT
How much is a return ticket from Manchester to London around commuter times, about £150-£180? I suspect no forecasts of ticket prices have been mentioned but, at how much it is likely going to cost, they will only need one (SMALL) carriage on commuter trains. Hopefully the increased capacity and the fact that a single train will be doing more journeys per day will mean that fares are not as bad as some are predicting. 11 Train Operators will be getting their grubby hands on it so don't get too excited! |
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 11, 2020 18:42:45 GMT
Wonder what the Chinese could price it at. They seem able to build hospitals in a few weeks as well... of course they have an ample supply of cheap labour.
I just hope that this HS2 thing has its fair share of UK contractors and workers at its heart.
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Post by felonious on Feb 11, 2020 18:45:49 GMT
Probably less because of the vast amounts of land available. This country has a much higher population density hence the cost of houses and buying the buggers up. I've also heard on the radio that the system we will have will be state of the art and superior to anything available across the channel. It appears that the local link up will go ahead as well according to the Bill Cash discussion on the radio this afternoon mentioning Stoke and Stafford so we might see some immediate benefit to all those 4 shiny new blue seats in the area. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_and_population_of_European_countriesimmediate? it won't reach Birmingham until about 2028 (that is if it is on time ) These projects are huge they're not thrown up overnight see previous grand scale projects in the UK, consultations, planning, objections, etc, same as it ever was. Perhaps we should do nothing anywhere just in case it takes too long and technology surpasses the project  |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 11, 2020 18:48:59 GMT
At my place of work we had a contractor come in over the summer in a quite senior role. Usually these are £600 to £800 a day roles - we'll call it £3k per week. He was with us full time.
He left at the end of his 3 month contract and was going to his new role - working on the HS2 project but it was only 2 days a week. He was however, as he delighted in telling me, getting paid more for those 2 days than he was working full time for us.
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Feb 11, 2020 19:14:16 GMT
How much is a return ticket from Manchester to London around commuter times, about £150-£180? I suspect no forecasts of ticket prices have been mentioned but, at how much it is likely going to cost, they will only need one (SMALL) carriage on commuter trains. Hopefully the increased capacity and the fact that a single train will be doing more journeys per day will mean that fares are not as bad as some are predicting. But surely increased capacity will be dependent on the price structure put in place... and feel free to work in "and dont call me shirley" into any response ;-) |
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Post by Northy on Feb 11, 2020 20:44:56 GMT
At my place of work we had a contractor come in over the summer in a quite senior role. Usually these are £600 to £800 a day roles - we'll call it £3k per week. He was with us full time. He left at the end of his 3 month contract and was going to his new role - working on the HS2 project but it was only 2 days a week. He was however, as he delighted in telling me, getting paid more for those 2 days than he was working full time for us. my lads been working on parts of it for a while, he isn't senior though and only getting bog standard pay, he's been on nights on it now and then ground surveying, he did that stretch of the M42 near to the NEC last year |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 11, 2020 22:08:04 GMT
At my place of work we had a contractor come in over the summer in a quite senior role. Usually these are £600 to £800 a day roles - we'll call it £3k per week. He was with us full time. He left at the end of his 3 month contract and was going to his new role - working on the HS2 project but it was only 2 days a week. He was however, as he delighted in telling me, getting paid more for those 2 days than he was working full time for us. my lads been working on parts of it for a while, he isn't senior though and only getting bog standard pay, he's been on nights on it now and then ground surveying, he did that stretch of the M42 near to the NEC last year I don't think my old mate is working any nights or doing anything remotely physically demanding... He's overseeing contracts from a bid perspective. I think he's in London for those 2 days a week, expenses are also covered. |
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Post by Goonie on Feb 12, 2020 6:55:09 GMT
As well as a high speed rail link is this just another way of public spending to provide jobs?
Labour in the past have done this job creation through public spending
Is the high speed bit just a political bonus?
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Post by Northy on Feb 12, 2020 8:19:12 GMT
As well as a high speed rail link is this just another way of public spending to provide jobs? Labour in the past have done this job creation through public spending Is the high speed bit just a political bonus? If it is then it will be a benefit, rather than lots of pointless quango jobs. It will also release capacity from the existing lines which should improve local services on those lines. |
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Post by henry on Feb 12, 2020 8:34:28 GMT
As well as a high speed rail link is this just another way of public spending to provide jobs? Labour in the past have done this job creation through public spending Is the high speed bit just a political bonus? This is more than just digging holes to fill them back in. Britain should be proud at flexing the engineering muscles. |
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Post by foster on Feb 12, 2020 8:52:27 GMT
Don't really get why so often, companies employ people who live on the other side of the country. If the job is primarily in London or Manchester then just hire someone from that area. Fuck all this wasted travel time, expense, and damage to the environment.
Of course 'some' travel may be required, but so much of it is done just for meetings that could as easily and efficiently be conducted via video conference.
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Post by Gods on Feb 12, 2020 9:00:22 GMT
A pal of mine bought commercial office space which had been repossessed by the bank a couple of years ago near where it will come out in Birmingham.
He has already sold a couple of floors and redeemed his money in full so the floors he lets out are pure profit sitting in his pension fund so largely net of tax.
Now it is going ahead for sure he will no doubt enjoy huge capital appreciation too.
I'm delighted for him!!
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Post by chuffedstokie on Feb 12, 2020 9:02:12 GMT
As well as a high speed rail link is this just another way of public spending to provide jobs? Labour in the past have done this job creation through public spending Is the high speed bit just a political bonus? If it is then it will be a benefit, rather than lots of pointless quango jobs. It will also release capacity from the existing lines which should improve local services on those lines. Plus more capacity for freight hopefully taking pressure off the road network. Widening viaducts and tunnels to accommodate additional tracks would effectively close sections of the network. |
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Post by Northy on Feb 12, 2020 11:14:28 GMT
A pal of mine bought commercial office space which had been repossessed by the bank a couple of years ago near where it will come out in Birmingham. He has already sold a couple of floors and redeemed his money in full so the floors he lets out are pure profit sitting in his pension fund so largely net of tax. Now it is going ahead for sure he will no doubt enjoy huge capital appreciation too. I'm delighted for him!! John Bishop will be delighted, his house inbetween Middlewich and Northwich is getting purchased by HS2, he'll make £4m on it in 6 years |
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 12, 2020 11:22:36 GMT
A pal of mine bought commercial office space which had been repossessed by the bank a couple of years ago near where it will come out in Birmingham. He has already sold a couple of floors and redeemed his money in full so the floors he lets out are pure profit sitting in his pension fund so largely net of tax. Now it is going ahead for sure he will no doubt enjoy huge capital appreciation too. I'm delighted for him!! John Bishop will be delighted, his house inbetween Middlewich and Northwich is getting purchased by HS2, he'll make £4m on it in 6 years Yeah, He’s not made a secret of it though. How on earth did they come up with that calculation... |
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 12, 2020 11:52:39 GMT
When you travel from London to Brum on HS2 you will be able to see the land (fields,view etc) for 8 minutes.All the rest is taken up by wind shields,tunnels etc. Fantastic. |
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Post by Gods on Feb 12, 2020 12:56:02 GMT
A pal of mine bought commercial office space which had been repossessed by the bank a couple of years ago near where it will come out in Birmingham. He has already sold a couple of floors and redeemed his money in full so the floors he lets out are pure profit sitting in his pension fund so largely net of tax. Now it is going ahead for sure he will no doubt enjoy huge capital appreciation too. I'm delighted for him!! John Bishop will be delighted, his house inbetween Middlewich and Northwich is getting purchased by HS2, he'll make £4m on it in 6 years Must admit I'm deeply uncomfortable with folks feathering their pockets on the back of a publicly funded project. Having said that if anyone wants to send any money my way I won't object! |
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Post by Gods on Feb 12, 2020 13:01:19 GMT
Will the existing line between London and Birmingham remain in place and support stopping services?
How close will the new line be to the old one?
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Post by Goonie on Feb 12, 2020 13:47:18 GMT
Missed opportunity?
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Post by somersetstokie on Feb 12, 2020 14:55:53 GMT
There are endless possibilties for errors and cost over runs on this project.
In 2014 the French National Rail operator, SNCF, discovered that around 1800 new trains it had ordered as part of a multi billion Euro network upgrade were in fact the wrong width for existing stations and platforms, as the order had used outdated or incorrect infrastructure measurements.
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