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Post by bathstoke on Feb 12, 2020 15:22:06 GMT
A pal of mine bought commercial office space which had been repossessed by the bank a couple of years ago near where it will come out in Birmingham. He has already sold a couple of floors and redeemed his money in full so the floors he lets out are pure profit sitting in his pension fund so largely net of tax. Now it is going ahead for sure he will no doubt enjoy huge capital appreciation too. I'm delighted for him!! John Bishop will be delighted, his house inbetween Middlewich and Northwich is getting purchased by HS2, he'll make £4m on it in 6 years I’ve just looked & seen he bought it around 2011 for £2.25m & they took it off his hands for £6.8m in 2019. In anyone’s books, that’s some markup! |
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Post by Northy on Feb 12, 2020 16:09:29 GMT
Will the existing line between London and Birmingham remain in place and support stopping services? How close will the new line be to the old one? Yes it will remain in place and allow an increase in stopping services. I'm not sure. I do have the detailed plans for the section running through a good part of Cheshire area where I am |
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Post by Eggybread on Feb 12, 2020 16:16:33 GMT
Im not sure of the exact route,but is it by-passing SOT altogether?
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Post by Northy on Feb 12, 2020 16:19:44 GMT
Im not sure of the exact route,but is it by-passing SOT altogether? yes, S-O-t lost out to Crewe |
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Post by AlliG on Feb 12, 2020 16:29:34 GMT
Im not sure of the exact route,but is it by-passing SOT altogether? Yes. It is due to loop around the North of Stafford and then to the South of the City around Yarnfield, Swynnerton, Beech etc to Crewe. There is a major construction base planned for the fields around where the M6 passes through Yarnfield, which should mean total chaos in the area for the next 10 years or so. There is supposed to be a relief road built around the site, but, if there are to be any economies made to the budget I suspect that will be one of the first things cut. Cynical? Moi? |
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Post by spiderpuss on Jan 27, 2023 10:15:09 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 27, 2023 10:25:12 GMT
Wow You’ll get to London even quicker now on that basis… |
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Post by marylandstoke on Jan 27, 2023 11:37:27 GMT
Not to be completed by 2035-2041 technology will be outdated , the biggest white elephant since the M6 Toll Road , as they said congestion will be a thing of the past when the Toll Road is completed , what bollocks that was The building of extra roads has never reduced congestion. |
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Post by AlliG on Jan 27, 2023 11:53:06 GMT
So you will be able to go from somewhere near London to somewhere near Birmingham?  Will the franchise to run HS2 be given to Ryan Air?  |
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Post by OldStokie on Jan 27, 2023 11:57:16 GMT
Not to be completed by 2035-2041 technology will be outdated , the biggest white elephant since the M6 Toll Road , as they said congestion will be a thing of the past when the Toll Road is completed , what bollocks that was The building of extra roads has never reduced congestion. It does for a while but short-term thinking and planning often means that a project is out of date by the time it's completed. The perfect example of this is the M6. They've now made large parts of it 4 lane by turning the hard shoulder into the 4th lane, which has resulted in multiple deaths when vehicles break down and cars can't get to a safe space. OS. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2023 22:24:56 GMT
lol ...
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Post by spiderpuss on Feb 8, 2023 8:37:46 GMT
Puts into question the whole purpose of the project. It will be barely any faster than the current offering. |
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Post by Veritas on Feb 8, 2023 8:54:33 GMT
Puts into question the whole purpose of the project. It will be barely any faster than the current offering. It was always an appalling choice of capital investment to save 15 mins on a journey between Birmingham and London! If the money was there to be spent improved regional connections was a much better option. |
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Post by Northy on Feb 8, 2023 9:28:38 GMT
Puts into question the whole purpose of the project. It will be barely any faster than the current offering. Hopefully it is still freeing up existing networks for more freight and less lorries on the motorways. It could always be a non story like the one a couple of weeks ago about not going into Euston |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2023 11:10:14 GMT
Puts into question the whole purpose of the project. It will be barely any faster than the current offering. Hopefully it is still freeing up existing networks for more freight and less lorries on the motorways. It could always be a non story like the one a couple of weeks ago about not going into Euston I don't understand why we just didn't build freight railways instead? It would have been far cheaper. Now we have a railway from just outside of Birmingham, to just outside London, that is now projected to be slower than what we have now (city to city), with half the number of trains, and who knows how much a ticket will be, at a cost that will end up being way more than the £72bn, and destroying vast swathes of countryside and homes in the process. I wouldn't be surprised to see it hit £200bn |
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Post by franklin on Feb 8, 2023 11:16:15 GMT
It's not value for money but the infrastructure is needed, unfortunately our Government often get fleeced by large contracts because there is no accountability it happens in every public sector not just rail.
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Post by felonious on Feb 8, 2023 12:06:55 GMT
Puts into question the whole purpose of the project. It will be barely any faster than the current offering.
It could always be a non story like the one a couple of weeks ago about not going into Euston It's a lovely idea and a no brainer however UK Plc has to have some element of certainty of service and as we've been reminded with all the recent strikes that's not likely to be the case with the railways. |
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Post by Northy on Feb 8, 2023 12:41:25 GMT
Hopefully it is still freeing up existing networks for more freight and less lorries on the motorways. It could always be a non story like the one a couple of weeks ago about not going into Euston I don't understand why we just didn't build freight railways instead? It would have been far cheaper. Now we have a railway from just outside of Birmingham, to just outside London, that is now projected to be slower than what we have now (city to city), with half the number of trains, and who knows how much a ticket will be, at a cost that will end up being way more than the £72bn, and destroying vast swathes of countryside and homes in the process. I wouldn't be surprised to see it hit £200bn It's not just outside London, its to Euston, and the Birmingham station at Curzon street is right in the city centre |
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Post by adri2008 on Feb 9, 2023 7:47:46 GMT
Hopefully it is still freeing up existing networks for more freight and less lorries on the motorways. It could always be a non story like the one a couple of weeks ago about not going into Euston I don't understand why we just didn't build freight railways instead? It would have been far cheaper. I never understood this either. From my understanding, it's more about capacity than speed increases but for some crazy reason, it was sold as knocking off a few mins journey time for passengers. In this day and age, people can be productive as they travel if they even need to travel at all. Obviously the cost isn't just dead money either, you have massive job creation involved which is why unions love these big infrastructure projects. |
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Post by questionable on Mar 9, 2023 15:01:58 GMT
Typical wreck the countryside, obliterated thousands of acres of beautiful land and;
The government is set to announce that construction of certain sections of HS2 will be delayed in an attempt to cut costs, the BBC understands.
It is thought the delay will primarily affect sections from Manchester to Crewe and Birmingham to Crewe.
Wankers the lot of them and millions of our money pissed away
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Post by questionable on Mar 9, 2023 15:04:23 GMT
It's not value for money but the infrastructure is needed, unfortunately our Government often get fleeced by large contracts because there is no accountability it happens in every public sector not just rail. I know a contractor and some of the stuff he’s told me is mind boggling with how these contracts are eventually handed out... |
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Post by tuum on Mar 9, 2023 16:18:42 GMT
Not to be completed by 2035-2041 technology will be outdated , the biggest white elephant since the M6 Toll Road , as they said congestion will be a thing of the past when the Toll Road is completed , what bollocks that was The building of extra roads has never reduced congestion. Very true. Building roads is not the answer. Roads are like hoarders - no matter how big a hoarder's house is they wil always fill it with shite, similarly a road scheme designed for capacity in 10 years always seems to be clogged up in 5. Most of the money spent on capital road building would be better off invested in funding public transport initatives..but, not like the HSR line. I helped to build a HSR line in Taiwan and that just swallowed money...lots of expats who got in early doors living in swanky 3BR penthouses in the middle of the cities. I went 2 years into the project and ended up in a 1BR flat among the Taiwanese because the project was running out of money. HSR2 will be no different. Every mega-project tells whopping lies re. final cost estimate just to get the final investment decision approved. Once approved it is very difficult to go back although very often the right thing to do is to cancel the project. Unfortunately, human nature being what it is means that everyone involved in the project has a vested interest in perpetuating the lie re. cost and return on investment. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 9, 2023 16:23:50 GMT
Typical wreck the countryside, obliterated thousands of acres of beautiful land and; The government is set to announce that construction of certain sections of HS2 will be delayed in an attempt to cut costs, the BBC understands. It is thought the delay will primarily affect sections from Manchester to Crewe and Birmingham to Crewe. Wankers the lot of them and millions of our money pissed away "Delayed" = cancelled. It was never, ever going beyond Birmingham. Levelling up, my arse. |
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Post by Northy on Mar 9, 2023 16:28:51 GMT
Not to be completed by 2035-2041 technology will be outdated , the biggest white elephant since the M6 Toll Road , as they said congestion will be a thing of the past when the Toll Road is completed , what bollocks that was The M6 toll road is great, saves going through Brum |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 9, 2023 17:43:03 GMT
Typical wreck the countryside, obliterated thousands of acres of beautiful land and; The government is set to announce that construction of certain sections of HS2 will be delayed in an attempt to cut costs, the BBC understands. It is thought the delay will primarily affect sections from Manchester to Crewe and Birmingham to Crewe. Wankers the lot of them and millions of our money pissed away What a surprise! I can't criticise them for abandoning the project, as is clearly going to be the case. The sunk cost fallacy approach to keep going to Birmingham was a ridiculous one but I suppose they needed something to show for their efforts which is why they have persisted with this white elephant. What a farce. |
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Post by AlliG on Mar 9, 2023 17:46:44 GMT
So delaying parts of HS2 for a couple of years will save money.  Since when has pushing any Government project back a bit done anything other than double the cost when it is eventually carried out? |
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Post by wannabee on Mar 9, 2023 20:49:57 GMT
I don't understand why we just didn't build freight railways instead? It would have been far cheaper. Now we have a railway from just outside of Birmingham, to just outside London, that is now projected to be slower than what we have now (city to city), with half the number of trains, and who knows how much a ticket will be, at a cost that will end up being way more than the £72bn, and destroying vast swathes of countryside and homes in the process. I wouldn't be surprised to see it hit £200bn It's not just outside London, its to Euston, and the Birmingham station at Curzon street is right in the city centre I assume your revising your opinion after today's statement from Mark Harper? We remain committed to delivering HS2 services to Euston, and will address affordability pressures to ensure the overall spending profile is manageable. We will therefore take the time to ensure we have an affordable and deliverable station design, delivering Euston alongside high-speed infrastructure to Manchester. In less words "We can't afford to Euston" As someone said earlier RyanTrain |
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Post by henry on Mar 9, 2023 21:28:29 GMT
How does £307m per mile compare when scaled down to Hornby 00 gauge ?
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Post by redstriper on Mar 9, 2023 21:32:30 GMT
A complete waste of money as was obvious from the day it was announced. I used to be a regular business traveller from the north west to London and everybody i spoke to said shaving all small amount of time off the journey was pointless, what we all agreed we wanted was better wifi on the trains to make better use of the travel time. The concept was crap, the execution a farce, and the sheer amount of money wasted a scandal. Yet we all know that not one person will be held accountable for it.
There are other threads on here running back to the inception where I and others have said this many times. That's not anyone being clever, it was obvious from the nonsensical business case that was put forward at the outset.
Successive governments had chance to pull it, yet they've all dithered and cowardly refused to acknowledge the obvious. It's around 2.5k for every person in the country, and now we hear it'll never even achieve its original albeit ill conceived objectives.
It makes me sick to think about how many pockets have been lined, how the taxpayers have been cheated, and how the cunts responsible will be laughing all the way to bank.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 9, 2023 21:50:54 GMT
Bloody awful project and second only to to the calamitous lockdown policy in terms of the most costly experiments of our lifetime.
Focus on improving crap local railway infrastructure over this garbage. Yet another pointless initiative that benefits London luvvies but does bugger all for ordinary Brits.
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