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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 17, 2020 18:03:19 GMT
There are very few keepers who dominate their box in the way that you describe. Begovic used to. You'd always be confident on him coming for crosses and corners, with jack its the opposite I agree and there was no better than Sorenson at it but there are few that do these days.
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Post by Goonie on Feb 17, 2020 18:03:42 GMT
People just analysing the 4 goals he conceeded but there was also those open goals that Jack wasnt anywhere near. The worst offence was a corner that dropped 2 yards out in the middle of the goal. Butland was totally unmarked but the ball easily cleared over his head and dropped to a QPR player who contrived to help Jack out by putting it way wide when it was easier to score. Jack is constantly rooted to his goalline and Im sure that is a having a negative effect on the defenders in front of him. His nickname should be Wichita as he's 'still on the line'😁
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 18:07:18 GMT
People just analysing the 4 goals he conceeded but there was also those open goals that Jack wasnt anywhere near. The worst offence was a corner that dropped 2 yards out in the middle of the goal. Butland was totally unmarked but the ball easily cleared over his head and dropped to a QPR player who contrived to help Jack out by putting it way wide when it was easier to score. Jack is constantly rooted to his goalline and Im sure that is a having a negative effect on the defenders in front of him. Very fair appraisal.
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Feb 17, 2020 19:27:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 19:27:57 GMT
I lived in London a long time ago and occasionally went to Highbury
Every time the ball went out wide , tony Adams would scream at Dixon/ winterburn ...,' stop the cross '
If they didn't stop the cross , he would go over to them and verbally hammer them at the first available opportunity .He obviously felt it was there job to stop the cross and was adamant he wanted them to do that .
In a similar vein , I am surprised when Stoke centre backs , don't seem to have anything to say , when butland doesn't come for a ball flying across his 6 yard box
I find it surprising
Maybe clucas finds it surprising and exasperating
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 17, 2020 19:55:33 GMT
One thing we have seen with Stoke City in the past 3 and a half seasons is that constantly changing the side as much as we do is utter folly.
I don't get why Chester was brought in to yet again bring more disruption to the centre of defence.
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Feb 17, 2020 21:15:18 GMT
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Post by wilcopotter on Feb 17, 2020 21:15:18 GMT
There are very few keepers who dominate their box in the way that you describe. Begovic used to. You'd always be confident on him coming for crosses and corners, with jack its the opposite Think Jack is a vampire, he doesn’t like crosses.
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Feb 17, 2020 21:19:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 21:19:44 GMT
One thing we have seen with Stoke City in the past 3 and a half seasons is that constantly changing the side as much as we do is utter folly. I don't get why Chester was brought in to yet again bring more disruption to the centre of defence. Because Lindsay and Batth are not very good and Chester came with a good reputation. Unfortunately he's not performing as well as his reputation suggests he should
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 17, 2020 21:24:38 GMT
One thing we have seen with Stoke City in the past 3 and a half seasons is that constantly changing the side as much as we do is utter folly. I don't get why Chester was brought in to yet again bring more disruption to the centre of defence. Because Lindsay and Batth are not very good and Chester came with a good reputation. Unfortunately he's not performing as well as his reputation suggests he should He's shite.
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Feb 17, 2020 21:36:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 21:36:04 GMT
Because Lindsay and Batth are not very good and Chester came with a good reputation. Unfortunately he's not performing as well as his reputation suggests he should He's shite. He wasn't before he came here, apparently,maybe O'Neill should have asked your opinion 1st lol
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 17, 2020 21:47:27 GMT
He wasn't before he came here, apparently,maybe O'Neill should have asked your opinion 1st lol He should have😂
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 21:55:40 GMT
He wasn't before he came here, apparently,maybe O'Neill should have asked your opinion 1st lol Chester is a very, very decent centre half at this level and has been proven over many years and at different clubs - in a back three. His performances thus far in a back four, debut aside, have been patchy at best for me and in no way reflecting the wages we've punted above and beyond our own Nathan Collins, for example, who has been left out no doubt because of his lack of experience and the fact he might make a few mistakes along the way. Mistakes like dribbling the ball out of your own area, tripping up and giving a corner away that leads to a goal or going to QPR and letting a player like Jordan Hugill run amok across you. Generally slicing the ball out for corners here and there under no pressure. Those sort of mistakes...
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Feb 17, 2020 22:38:00 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 17, 2020 22:38:00 GMT
Chester isn't the problem.
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 17, 2020 23:14:33 GMT
Chester isn't the problem. They're all the problem sadly, that's why we're where we are now.
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Post by f1rew0rks on Feb 20, 2020 21:38:32 GMT
Total overreaction to Butland’s performance on Saturday in my opinion and having seen the goals again this afternoon for the 1st time since Saturday I’ll stick to my original thought that only the 4th goal he’s culpable for.Yes he’s not the keeper he once was but the constant abuse is ridiculous Maybe you think he was to blame for only one, but (im not sure if the misses were shown on the highlights on TV) what about the 4 clear cut chances they had where they were behind Jack and somehow managed to miss when it would have been easier to score? Jack was absolutely nowhere near them!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 23:45:54 GMT
Chester is not match fit. Hence his mistakes. We need to be patient.
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Post by boscfc on Feb 21, 2020 6:28:32 GMT
Chester is not match fit. Hence his mistakes. We need to be patient. I really don’t think we have the time to be patient. If he’s not fit then you certainly have to question bringing him in - even more so picking him.
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Post by adamsson on Feb 21, 2020 11:56:37 GMT
Because Lindsay and Batth are not very good and Chester came with a good reputation. Unfortunately he's not performing as well as his reputation suggests he should He's shite. I think he is out of practice and not match fit so he might get better.
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Feb 21, 2020 12:08:58 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 21, 2020 12:08:58 GMT
One word on the cardiff dressing room board if jack starts..
"SHOOT!!!"
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Feb 21, 2020 12:29:57 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 21, 2020 12:29:57 GMT
Total overreaction to Butland’s performance on Saturday in my opinion and having seen the goals again this afternoon for the 1st time since Saturday I’ll stick to my original thought that only the 4th goal he’s culpable for.Yes he’s not the keeper he once was but the constant abuse is ridiculous Maybe you think he was to blame for only one, but (im not sure if the misses were shown on the highlights on TV) what about the 4 clear cut chances they had where they were behind Jack and somehow managed to miss when it would have been easier to score? Jack was absolutely nowhere near them! I was there mate and witnessed all the misses and yes they were bad misses but apart from one cross that went across our box I’m still struggling to remember the incidents you mention🤔Maybe my memory is going😄
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Post by f1rew0rks on Feb 21, 2020 18:48:27 GMT
Maybe you think he was to blame for only one, but (im not sure if the misses were shown on the highlights on TV) what about the 4 clear cut chances they had where they were behind Jack and somehow managed to miss when it would have been easier to score? Jack was absolutely nowhere near them! I was there mate and witnessed all the misses and yes they were bad misses but apart from one cross that went across our box I’m still struggling to remember the incidents you mention🤔Maybe my memory is going😄 maybe too many pre match drinks ;-)
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 22, 2020 17:03:40 GMT
A lot better today. Not much to do but he came out for crosses and set his stall out. Well done Jack.
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Post by chad on Feb 22, 2020 17:05:29 GMT
Think someone’s hand a word. Never seen him come out so much.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 22, 2020 17:06:46 GMT
Think someone’s hand a word. Never seen him come out so much. Let’s hope so because it couldn’t carry on the way it was.
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Feb 22, 2020 17:07:07 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 22, 2020 17:07:07 GMT
Think someone’s hand a word. Never seen him come out so much. I thought the same, he was coming for everything at one point.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 22, 2020 17:08:21 GMT
Think someone’s hand a word. Never seen him come out so much. I thought the same, he was coming for everything at one point. Introducing the new Bruce Grobbelaar!!!
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Post by liathroid on Feb 22, 2020 17:08:47 GMT
A lot better today. Not much to do but he came out for crosses and set his stall out. Well done Jack. yes he did do all that and in the 1st half he came through a big crowd dropped ,but got it at the 2nd attemp
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Feb 22, 2020 17:11:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 17:11:25 GMT
Was just going to say,much more commanding today 👍
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Post by onionman on Feb 22, 2020 17:26:19 GMT
One of the reasons it seemed like he didn’t have much to do was that he was coming off his line like a proper goalkeeper.
So much better to have a goalkeeper bossing his area than standing on his line and then trying to make a worldie as the inevitable shot comes in.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 22, 2020 17:27:58 GMT
One of the reasons it seemed like he didn’t have much to do was that he was coming off his line like a proper goalkeeper. So much better to have a goalkeeper bossing his area than standing on his line and then trying to make a worldie as the inevitable shot comes in. In horrendous conditions for a keeper as well. Well done Jack
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 17:55:35 GMT
Nice and positive today, which flies in the face of all those who thought it was clever to criticise good supporters of this club for questioning why he has been rooted to his line most weeks.
I'll say the same as I did last week - he's a big lad and a talented keeper that should back himself in those situations. It's the only way out of this slump.
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