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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 9, 2020 11:44:24 GMT
Any manager that’s studied him this season will be saying to his players to target him at set pieces. By not coming out for anything outside the six yard box he’s backing his defenders to cut out every single ball that comes In. When we play a big physical side I could see it getting very ugly. Any team that wants to play the percentage game against us will score 2 or 3 a match if they put any sort of pressure on us. The lack of attacking pressure by them yesterday covered up a big weakness in our game. I fear for when we play better sides. MONs doing a cracking job. I just hope he can get Jack to come out and claim crosses or else we’ll drop a lot of point between now and the end of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 12:09:57 GMT
Hes kept three clean sheets in the last five games. He could do nothing about Derby's goals nor the goal yesterday.
He was excellent against West Brom.
If you honestly think he should have come for that cross yesterday then you have never had any training ever as a keeper.
Rule 101....dont come out of your 6 yard box for a ball thats swinging away from you.
Post for the shit bin I think
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 9, 2020 12:14:18 GMT
Hes kept three clean sheets in the last five games. He could do nothing about Derby's goals nor the goal yesterday. He was excellent against West Brom. If you honestly think he should have come for that cross yesterday then you have never had any training ever as a keeper. Rule 101....dont come out of your 6 yard box for a ball thats swinging away from you. Post for the shit bin I think O He did go for it. Then went back. Then because of that wasn’t set for what should have been a save he makes. It was awful dithering goalkeeping. From a move that started with his shit kick.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Feb 9, 2020 12:14:25 GMT
I have to admit at the time I wondered whether he should have come for the cross but having seen it on the tele since you are right looney, It was quite a flat cross and was swinging away from him as it entered the six yard box and then moved away. He would have had no chance with the cross.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Feb 9, 2020 12:17:34 GMT
I thought his positioning was poor for the goal yesterday a cross just in front of the 6 yard box and he was glued to his line. I still think he a shadow of his former self at the moment and needs to command his area a lot more, on at least 2 occasions in the first half he should have come and claimed the ball but left it to Chester to deal with. Gouranga.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 12:20:01 GMT
Hes kept three clean sheets in the last five games. He could do nothing about Derby's goals nor the goal yesterday. He was excellent against West Brom. If you honestly think he should have come for that cross yesterday then you have never had any training ever as a keeper. Rule 101....dont come out of your 6 yard box for a ball thats swinging away from you. Post for the shit bin I think O He did go for it. Then went back. Then because of that wasn’t set for what should have been a save he makes. It was awful dithering goalkeeping. From a move that started with his shit kick. Another with no experience of playing football at any level ever
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Post by leicspotter on Feb 9, 2020 12:20:58 GMT
people see what they want to see...even if it isn't there
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Feb 9, 2020 12:22:30 GMT
No problem from Butland on the cross BUT
The whole attack came from Butlands awful clearance from his hands that lobbed to the centre circle and a Charlton player.
It was injury time at the end of the first half and we just needed to slow things down and keep it tight to the break. What he was thinking with that clearance heaven knows?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 9, 2020 12:27:44 GMT
He did go for it. Then went back. Then because of that wasn’t set for what should have been a save he makes. It was awful dithering goalkeeping. From a move that started with his shit kick. Another with no experience of playing football at any level ever That has fuck all to do with anything. He went for the cross and then went back. The shot went past him at a very comfortable place for a save. But his weight was all on his right leg as he had just got back and wasn’t set because of his dithering. It was awful goalkeeping again on two occasions in the same move. His kick that lead to it all was equally awful. Get it as far in the corner as you can. Instead he slices one that doesn’t get past the halfway line.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 9, 2020 12:30:33 GMT
No problem from Butland on the cross BUT The whole attack came from Butlands awful clearance from his hands that lobbed to the centre circle and a Charlton player. It was injury time at the end of the first half and we just needed to slow things down and keep it tight to the break. What he was thinking with that clearance heaven knows? Way too casual with his kick there.... Must have had it in his head that we'd see out the first half easily now!!! Never switch off Jack, play to the whistle....you learn that as kids!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 12:32:16 GMT
Another with no experience of playing football at any level ever That has fuck all to do with anything. He went for the cross and then went back. The shot went past him at a very comfortable place for a save. But his weight was all on his right leg as he had just got back and wasn’t set because of his dithering. It was awful goalkeeping again on two occasions in the same move. His kick that lead to it all was equally awful. Get it as far in the corner as you can. Instead he slices one that doesn’t get past the halfway line. Comfortable save 😂 Two keepers wouldn't have saved that. I get you don't like Butland but stop making things up. Just as a quick point, if he needs to dive to his right are you saying his weight should be on his left leg? I mean i really hope you're not.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 9, 2020 12:32:43 GMT
Apart from a poor kick yesterday Butland did nothing wrong but as per usual the same folk will lay into him week after week😴😴
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 9, 2020 12:35:13 GMT
How can anyone blame Butland for the actual goal yesterday? It went right into the corner with speed from 6 yards out? Comfortable save my arse
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Post by thebet365 on Feb 9, 2020 12:38:19 GMT
Any manager that’s studied him this season will be saying to his players to target him at set pieces. By not coming out for anything outside the six yard box he’s backing his defenders to cut out every single ball that comes In. When we play a big physical side I could see it getting very ugly. Any team that wants to play the percentage game against us will score 2 or 3 a match if they put any sort of pressure on us. The lack of attacking pressure by them yesterday covered up a big weakness in our game. I fear for when we play better sides. MONs doing a cracking job. I just hope he can get Jack to come out and claim crosses or else we’ll drop a lot of point between now and the end of the season. Shhh thank god non of the professional experienced managers have spotted this otherwise we'd be bottom conceding 3 week in week out.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Feb 9, 2020 12:39:26 GMT
The good news is that Jack seems to be getting his mojo back and has improved massively on the calamtous Jones era - he's still the best keeper in this league (IMHO) and he's a major part of our recovery under MoN - I will forgive the odd mistake as ALL keepers make em at every level...
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Feb 9, 2020 12:41:25 GMT
Any manager that’s studied him this season will be saying to his players to target him at set pieces. By not coming out for anything outside the six yard box he’s backing his defenders to cut out every single ball that comes In. When we play a big physical side I could see it getting very ugly. Any team that wants to play the percentage game against us will score 2 or 3 a match if they put any sort of pressure on us. The lack of attacking pressure by them yesterday covered up a big weakness in our game. I fear for when we play better sides. MONs doing a cracking job. I just hope he can get Jack to come out and claim crosses or else we’ll drop a lot of point between now and the end of the season. You never go to a match, yet you continually hammer Butland. Give it a rest. We won 3-1 and are moving up the league. ENJOY IT
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 9, 2020 12:43:56 GMT
Any manager that’s studied him this season will be saying to his players to target him at set pieces. By not coming out for anything outside the six yard box he’s backing his defenders to cut out every single ball that comes In. When we play a big physical side I could see it getting very ugly. Any team that wants to play the percentage game against us will score 2 or 3 a match if they put any sort of pressure on us. The lack of attacking pressure by them yesterday covered up a big weakness in our game. I fear for when we play better sides. MONs doing a cracking job. I just hope he can get Jack to come out and claim crosses or else we’ll drop a lot of point between now and the end of the season. I first thought, "why didn't he come for it", but after seeing the replay I think it was right to stay on the line.
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Post by shooters on Feb 9, 2020 12:47:20 GMT
Apart from a poor kick yesterday Butland did nothing wrong but as per usual the same folk will lay into him week after week😴😴 2 things as it was a poor choice, and poor kick , which led to their last chance with 5 mins to go as well. No need as could have rolled it to smith. 2 decisions , both crucial times of game , and one goal conceded as a result. JB still no.1 for me and getting better , but just no need for either basic errors.
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Post by chuckrocky on Feb 9, 2020 12:47:22 GMT
Apart from a poor kick yesterday Butland did nothing wrong but as per usual the same folk will lay into him week after week😴😴 Again though he’s had nothing to do but has still conceded a goal that started with a poor kick when he was under no pressure. If he puts that kick deep into their half, where it should have gone, then we go into half time in the lead. Luckily it didn’t cost us yesterday.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 9, 2020 12:51:56 GMT
I'm still a bit baffled that Indi didn't get to the ball first before the cross came in! He was meters ahead of the winger when he first started running for the ball!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 9, 2020 12:55:43 GMT
Any manager that’s studied him this season will be saying to his players to target him at set pieces. By not coming out for anything outside the six yard box he’s backing his defenders to cut out every single ball that comes In. When we play a big physical side I could see it getting very ugly. Any team that wants to play the percentage game against us will score 2 or 3 a match if they put any sort of pressure on us. The lack of attacking pressure by them yesterday covered up a big weakness in our game. I fear for when we play better sides. MONs doing a cracking job. I just hope he can get Jack to come out and claim crosses or else we’ll drop a lot of point between now and the end of the season. You never go to a match, yet you continually hammer Butland. Give it a rest. We won 3-1 and are moving up the league. ENJOY IT I was there v Swansea and have been to 3 other games this season so I don’t know where you get your info from. Not bad considering I work weekends and live 160 miles away. I wasn’t specifically talking about yesterday’s goal he’s been doing it most of the season. He just won’t come out for crosses or leave his line rarely. I thought this was a discussion board based on opinion not agendas.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 9, 2020 12:57:14 GMT
Apart from a poor kick yesterday Butland did nothing wrong but as per usual the same folk will lay into him week after week😴😴 He had nothing to do bar pick up a few lame shots.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 9, 2020 12:58:35 GMT
That has fuck all to do with anything. He went for the cross and then went back. The shot went past him at a very comfortable place for a save. But his weight was all on his right leg as he had just got back and wasn’t set because of his dithering. It was awful goalkeeping again on two occasions in the same move. His kick that lead to it all was equally awful. Get it as far in the corner as you can. Instead he slices one that doesn’t get past the halfway line. Comfortable save 😂 Two keepers wouldn't have saved that. I get you don't like Butland but stop making things up. Just as a quick point, if he needs to dive to his right are you saying his weight should be on his left leg? I mean i really hope you're not. No but all his weight on it getting back from the steps he makes before he can get in the position he needs to be to make the save. And his movement is towards the net and not to the right hand side of his goal. He’s completely fucked it. And it was a foot or two away from him, he saves that if he’s set.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Feb 9, 2020 13:01:11 GMT
You never go to a match, yet you continually hammer Butland. Give it a rest. We won 3-1 and are moving up the league. ENJOY IT I was there v Swansea and have been to 3 other games this season so I don’t know where you get your info from. Not bad considering I work weekends and live 160 miles away. I wasn’t specifically talking about yesterday’s goal he’s been doing it most of the season. He just won’t come out for crosses or leave his line rarely. I thought this was a discussion board based on opinion not agendas. The agenda is yours. Hes been coming for a lot more lately. You just hammer him after every match. Such as he did at the baggies.SAD
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 13:06:19 GMT
The first mistake, and most critical mistake, on the goal is Bruno half asleep and allowing the winger to get a yard run on him. The second mistake is Butland coming then not coming. The third mistake is Smith getting done on the blindside.
They are all culpable to a certain degree. Personally I'd prefer my full back to stop a cross at source and if not, the goalkeeper to come out and get something on it. He doesn't even have to catch it. At that trajectory just get a good hand on it and it clears. I don't know why he stopped because he was around a yard off where the ball landed when he stopped. He'd have got there easily.
Smith got done on the blindside, but I wonder how much seeing Butland jittering about on the line affected how he approached it?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 9, 2020 13:10:31 GMT
Hes kept three clean sheets in the last five games. He could do nothing about Derby's goals nor the goal yesterday. He was excellent against West Brom. If you honestly think he should have come for that cross yesterday then you have never had any training ever as a keeper. Rule 101....dont come out of your 6 yard box for a ball thats swinging away from you. Post for the shit bin I think O He did go for it. Then went back. Then because of that wasn’t set for what should have been a save he makes. It was awful dithering goalkeeping. From a move that started with his shit kick. He didn't go for it though did he? He took 1 step forward (arguably half a step) and then went back. If any blame is attributed to butland them it is from the kick but even then, the ball went back and their move started inside their own half. BMI got done despite having a 5 yard head start on their lad and their full back scored with ince nowhere to be seen.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 9, 2020 13:12:12 GMT
The first mistake, and most critical mistake, on the goal is Bruno half asleep and allowing the winger to get a yard run on him. The second mistake is Butland coming then not coming. The third mistake is Smith getting done on the blindside. They are all culpable to a certain degree. Personally I'd prefer my full back to stop a cross at source and if not, the goalkeeper to come out and get something on it. He doesn't even have to catch it. At that trajectory just get a good hand on it and it clears. I don't know why he stopped because he was around a yard off where the ball landed when he stopped. He'd have got there easily. Smith got done on the blindside, but I wonder how much seeing Butland jittering about on the line affected how he approached it? No way was he where the ball finished.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 13:13:03 GMT
The first mistake, and most critical mistake, on the goal is Bruno half asleep and allowing the winger to get a yard run on him. The second mistake is Butland coming then not coming. The third mistake is Smith getting done on the blindside. They are all culpable to a certain degree. Personally I'd prefer my full back to stop a cross at source and if not, the goalkeeper to come out and get something on it. He doesn't even have to catch it. At that trajectory just get a good hand on it and it clears. I don't know why he stopped because he was around a yard off where the ball landed when he stopped. He'd have got there easily. Smith got done on the blindside, but I wonder how much seeing Butland jittering about on the line affected how he approached it? No way was he where the ball finished. I never said he was.
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Post by linfitstokie on Feb 9, 2020 13:13:25 GMT
if he had come that im 95 percent sure he would not have got it, and he would have got dogs abuse on here,and yes i to played in goal even if it was at a shit level he did right to leave it the defence
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 13:13:33 GMT
Recently he has really improved again and looks at least to be a bit more confident coming for the ball, Swansea and WBA were in large part due to him coming for crosses and one or two excellent saves.
He screwed up yesterday, but it didn’t cost us, which is a new one. After shipping 4 vs Derby, maybe he was a bit rocked. Other than that, he looked pretty assured. Hopefully this is just a blip on his regaining of form.
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