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Butland
Mar 1, 2020 9:34:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 9:34:51 GMT
That chested back pass that he booted away rather than pick it up tells you all you need to know. He's not concentrating,his head is away with the fairies
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Butland
Mar 1, 2020 9:47:24 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 1, 2020 9:47:24 GMT
I don’t. His crocodile tears were pathetic when we got relegated. I agree but stick your tin hat on for that one. The other clue is his changing of agents. When a player moves from a local agency to one that represented Wayne Rooney then you know exactly what type of fight he is coming for. Oh yeah that just cemented the thought for me. I’ve never got the feeling Butland likes it here though. He’s always been touchy and always give fans stick. Which I’ve always found odd because I don’t think it’s ever really been justified.
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Butland
Mar 1, 2020 9:50:39 GMT
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Post by adi on Mar 1, 2020 9:50:39 GMT
I’m not turning it into fuck all mate,in my opinion he’s still the best keeper at the club and the manager agrees. He does. But the manager also dropped the MOM from the last game and then his replacement gave away the penalty. It’s not a great argument is it? 😂 I can only deduce that you are talking about Collins, was he actually MOtM?
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 1, 2020 9:50:48 GMT
There were concrete rumours that Butland and Allen had their contracts changed when they came down from the Premier League stating they must start if fit.
Clearly Jones just had enough of that at one point and put Federici in goal.
He will be the first out of the door at the end of the season. Im sure MON isnt blind to how bad our goalkeeper. He unsettles the defence majorly who have to win every header in the 6 yard box
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Butland
Mar 1, 2020 10:04:19 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 1, 2020 10:04:19 GMT
He does. But the manager also dropped the MOM from the last game and then his replacement gave away the penalty. It’s not a great argument is it? 😂 I can only deduce that you are talking about Collins, was he actually MOtM? He was according to most on here yes which doesn’t usually happen.
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Butland
Mar 1, 2020 10:59:55 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 1, 2020 10:59:55 GMT
There were concrete rumours that Butland and Allen had their contracts changed when they came down from the Premier League stating they must start if fit. Clearly Jones just had enough of that at one point and put Federici in goal. He will be the first out of the door at the end of the season. Im sure MON isnt blind to how bad our goalkeeper. He unsettles the defence majorly who have to win every header in the 6 yard box Do clauses like that really exist? Or is it just bollocks?
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Butland
Mar 1, 2020 11:09:40 GMT
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 1, 2020 11:09:40 GMT
There were concrete rumours that Butland and Allen had their contracts changed when they came down from the Premier League stating they must start if fit. Clearly Jones just had enough of that at one point and put Federici in goal. He will be the first out of the door at the end of the season. Im sure MON isnt blind to how bad our goalkeeper. He unsettles the defence majorly who have to win every header in the 6 yard box Do clauses like that really exist? Or is it just bollocks? Nothing usually surprises me in football but I would be astonished and horrified if our club and manager had agreed to such a clause. I need a lot more than a “concrete rumour” to believe it. Not sure when a rumour becomes “concrete” 🤔
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 1, 2020 11:14:19 GMT
I see that an article on the Sentinel website today says that of the last 32 penalties Jack has conceded he dived the wrong way for 26 of them!!! That can't happen by chance, surely? All things being equal he should dive the right way for 16 of them. That he didn't, either means he is poor at reading/predicting which side the penalty will go OR he is somehow giving the penalty taker some indication of the way he is going to dive.
I'm no expert on goal keeping or penalties but I can't see how Jack's record can be so bad by chance. I doubt I would save a penalty if I faced one - but I bet I would dive the right way more times than Jack seems to do.
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Butland
Mar 1, 2020 11:19:41 GMT
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 1, 2020 11:19:41 GMT
I think to describe Jack's efforts to save a penalty as 'diving' is being generous. He just seems to wobble and fall to his right, it's quite bizarre.
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Butland
Mar 1, 2020 11:22:41 GMT
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Post by milky on Mar 1, 2020 11:22:41 GMT
His body language in the lead up and just before facing penalties is such that he may as well lean against the post and allow the taker to roll it into the empty net.
He looks resigned to the ball ending up in the net from the moment the ref points to the spot.
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Butland
Mar 1, 2020 11:24:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 11:24:19 GMT
Do clauses like that really exist? Or is it just bollocks? Nothing usually surprises me in football but I would be astonished and horrified if our club and manager had agreed to such a clause. I need a lot more than a “concrete rumour” to believe it. Not sure when a rumour becomes “concrete” 🤔 I'm sure it was announced by the club that Allen and 1 or 2 other prominent players had had their relegation clauses rescinded
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Butland
Mar 1, 2020 11:34:32 GMT
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Post by rosco on Mar 1, 2020 11:34:32 GMT
Cheers Jack
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Butland
Mar 1, 2020 11:37:38 GMT
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 1, 2020 11:37:38 GMT
Nothing usually surprises me in football but I would be astonished and horrified if our club and manager had agreed to such a clause. I need a lot more than a “concrete rumour” to believe it. Not sure when a rumour becomes “concrete” 🤔 I'm sure it was announced by the club that Allen and 1 or 2 other prominent players had had their relegation clauses rescinded Possibly, but that’s a very different issue to being guaranteed to start every game which is what was claimed in the “concrete rumour “
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 1, 2020 11:48:08 GMT
I see that an article on the Sentinel website today says that of the last 32 penalties Jack has conceded he dived the wrong way for 26 of them!!! That can't happen by chance, surely? All things being equal he should dive the right way for 16 of them. That he didn't, either means he is poor at reading/predicting which side the penalty will go OR he is somehow giving the penalty taker some indication of the way he is going to dive. I'm no expert on goal keeping or penalties but I can't see how Jack's record can be so bad by chance. I doubt I would save a penalty if I faced one - but I bet I would dive the right way more times than Jack seems to do. That’s interesting John. This is a matter for the goalkeeping coach isn’t it. These days they all have performance stats about which side penalty takers tend to put them, and conversely which side keepers tend to dive. I don’t know if Collins is their regular taker and if so where he puts them but the keeping coach should know that. You can’t blame a keeper for not saving a pen but I agree with you that on the law of probabilities you would expect the stats to be more balanced than those. The ankle theory above is interesting in this context
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Butland
Mar 1, 2020 11:54:39 GMT
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Post by maninasuitcase on Mar 1, 2020 11:54:39 GMT
Give Bursik a go next season.
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 1, 2020 11:54:57 GMT
I see that an article on the Sentinel website today says that of the last 32 penalties Jack has conceded he dived the wrong way for 26 of them!!! That can't happen by chance, surely? All things being equal he should dive the right way for 16 of them. That he didn't, either means he is poor at reading/predicting which side the penalty will go OR he is somehow giving the penalty taker some indication of the way he is going to dive. I'm no expert on goal keeping or penalties but I can't see how Jack's record can be so bad by chance. I doubt I would save a penalty if I faced one - but I bet I would dive the right way more times than Jack seems to do. When I used to take penalties I would wait for the keeper to ‘show’ one way, then put the ball the opposite way. Most of the time it would result in just rolling the ball into the corner, occasionally I’d get a keeper who wouldn’t move either way and that made it more difficult (I’d just smash it if this happened). Jack definitely shows one way before the kick is taken.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 1, 2020 11:56:21 GMT
I see that an article on the Sentinel website today says that of the last 32 penalties Jack has conceded he dived the wrong way for 26 of them!!! That can't happen by chance, surely? All things being equal he should dive the right way for 16 of them. That he didn't, either means he is poor at reading/predicting which side the penalty will go OR he is somehow giving the penalty taker some indication of the way he is going to dive. I'm no expert on goal keeping or penalties but I can't see how Jack's record can be so bad by chance. I doubt I would save a penalty if I faced one - but I bet I would dive the right way more times than Jack seems to do. Does it say how many times he dived to his right on those 32?
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Post by Billy the kid on Mar 1, 2020 11:57:16 GMT
I see that an article on the Sentinel website today says that of the last 32 penalties Jack has conceded he dived the wrong way for 26 of them!!! That can't happen by chance, surely? All things being equal he should dive the right way for 16 of them. That he didn't, either means he is poor at reading/predicting which side the penalty will go OR he is somehow giving the penalty taker some indication of the way he is going to dive. I'm no expert on goal keeping or penalties but I can't see how Jack's record can be so bad by chance. I doubt I would save a penalty if I faced one - but I bet I would dive the right way more times than Jack seems to do. Does it say how many times he dived to his right on those 32? 32
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 1, 2020 12:09:06 GMT
I see that an article on the Sentinel website today says that of the last 32 penalties Jack has conceded he dived the wrong way for 26 of them!!! That can't happen by chance, surely? All things being equal he should dive the right way for 16 of them. That he didn't, either means he is poor at reading/predicting which side the penalty will go OR he is somehow giving the penalty taker some indication of the way he is going to dive. I'm no expert on goal keeping or penalties but I can't see how Jack's record can be so bad by chance. I doubt I would save a penalty if I faced one - but I bet I would dive the right way more times than Jack seems to do. Does it say how many times he dived to his right on those 32? Here is a link to the article. The last part is about Butland's penalty record. link
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Butland
Mar 1, 2020 12:17:35 GMT
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 1, 2020 12:17:35 GMT
Cheers Jack That picture highlights the problem.
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 1, 2020 12:33:11 GMT
Do clauses like that really exist? Or is it just bollocks? Nothing usually surprises me in football but I would be astonished and horrified if our club and manager had agreed to such a clause. I need a lot more than a “concrete rumour” to believe it. Not sure when a rumour becomes “concrete” 🤔 Absolutely. It’s the kind of ‘concrete’ rumour that gets rolled out when an agenda is on the table.
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Butland
Mar 1, 2020 13:35:31 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 1, 2020 13:35:31 GMT
There were concrete rumours that Butland and Allen had their contracts changed when they came down from the Premier League stating they must start if fit. Clearly Jones just had enough of that at one point and put Federici in goal. He will be the first out of the door at the end of the season. Im sure MON isnt blind to how bad our goalkeeper. He unsettles the defence majorly who have to win every header in the 6 yard box Jack butland didn't have any new contract on relegation.
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Post by thebet365 on Mar 1, 2020 14:12:45 GMT
There were concrete rumours that Butland and Allen had their contracts changed when they came down from the Premier League stating they must start if fit. Clearly Jones just had enough of that at one point and put Federici in goal. He will be the first out of the door at the end of the season. Im sure MON isnt blind to how bad our goalkeeper. He unsettles the defence majorly who have to win every header in the 6 yard box Do clauses like that really exist? Or is it just bollocks? Not a chance that any footballer has that sort of clause. It would totally undermine the manager of a club and destroy team morale. The closest thing to it will be the agreements Chelsea do with loan players, setting a high loan fee but discounting it over the season based on games played. The only sort of deal I expect the likes of Allen and Butland would have agreed on relegation will have been like the deferred wages where they get reduced pay like everyone but if we got back up they backdate the pay back to their original salary before relegation.
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Butland
Mar 1, 2020 14:38:58 GMT
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Post by thehoof on Mar 1, 2020 14:38:58 GMT
Does it say how many times he dived to his right on those 32? 32 33
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Butland
Mar 1, 2020 14:39:56 GMT
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Post by bagnallboothen on Mar 1, 2020 14:39:56 GMT
There were concrete rumours that Butland and Allen had their contracts changed when they came down from the Premier League stating they must start if fit. Clearly Jones just had enough of that at one point and put Federici in goal. He will be the first out of the door at the end of the season. Im sure MON isnt blind to how bad our goalkeeper. He unsettles the defence majorly who have to win every header in the 6 yard box Jack butland didn't have any new contract on relegation. Always one letting facts get in the way of a good rumour isn't there ...
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