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Butland
Feb 15, 2020 21:45:00 GMT
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Post by adi on Feb 15, 2020 21:45:00 GMT
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Butland
Feb 15, 2020 21:46:51 GMT
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Post by adi on Feb 15, 2020 21:46:51 GMT
Federici must come in next game along with Collins and Tymon. Back 5 of .................Federici................ Smith......Collins.......Chester....Tymon Have you been to the game today? I didn’t and I’d drop him. Were you there??
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Butland
Feb 15, 2020 21:47:38 GMT
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Post by werrington on Feb 15, 2020 21:47:38 GMT
Have you been to the game today? I didn’t and I’d drop him. Were you there?? Yeah he was
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Butland
Feb 15, 2020 21:49:07 GMT
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Post by adi on Feb 15, 2020 21:49:07 GMT
He won't he backs butland every single time or doesnt post about him and he knows it. Butland has been in goals throughout the whole period we have been shit right back into the premiership. Nothing to do with butland though, I'm going to find these stats that prove he is useless As against yourself who sits there cock in hand waiting just waiting to blame him for everything? Very good well researched reposte 👏
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Butland
Feb 15, 2020 21:50:06 GMT
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Post by adi on Feb 15, 2020 21:50:06 GMT
I didn’t and I’d drop him. Were you there?? Yeah he was Please tell him I think he is misguided
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Butland
Feb 15, 2020 21:53:19 GMT
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Post by werrington on Feb 15, 2020 21:53:19 GMT
Please tell him I think he is misguided That wasn’t what you asked
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 15, 2020 21:53:55 GMT
I'm not sure why not attending today's game disqualifies anyone from passing opinion about Butland's capabilities. I watched a stream today but have seen plenty of live games this season to form the opinion that Butland is a real problem that needs addressing.
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Butland
Feb 15, 2020 21:59:38 GMT
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Post by adi on Feb 15, 2020 21:59:38 GMT
Please tell him I think he is misguided That wasn’t what you asked Are you speaking for yourself now or through a medium? I know that wasn’t what you asked. I just think you are wrong.
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Butland
Feb 15, 2020 22:00:44 GMT
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Post by adi on Feb 15, 2020 22:00:44 GMT
I'm not sure why not attending today's game disqualifies anyone from passing opinion about Butland's capabilities. I watched a stream today but have seen plenty of live games this season to form the opinion that Butland is a real problem that needs addressing. It means a lot on the manager ratings page.
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Post by shooters on Feb 15, 2020 22:01:58 GMT
Finally seen the goals. No chance with first 3 in my opinion and the last one possibly debatable in that the forward has gone across the show, flicked out his foot, so Jack reacted late due to anticipation of a deflection. 50/50 on the last one. Could he have pushed it further away or did he simply not have the time to react due to the forwards attempted touch? Nowhere near as bad as some were suggesting either way. First 2 very similar in that he did not attack the space between the striker and goal, merely hoping the player hits him. No conviction to narrow the angles and 2nd almost a carbon copy of 1st so why not fling yourself to block. Another corner dropped right in the 6 yard box and qpr shinned it wide when should have scored their 3rd before half time. Must have been 5 good saves in 2 nd half, 2 of these looked very good saves i think tho from the other end. Body language went off with some poor kicks into touch. So part of a shit back 5 defence today but also badly exposed with so many clear chances and shots with no defender in sight.
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Butland
Feb 15, 2020 22:04:28 GMT
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Post by werrington on Feb 15, 2020 22:04:28 GMT
That wasn’t what you asked Are you speaking for yourself now or through a medium? I know that wasn’t what you asked. I just think you are wrong. You asked was he there and I told you he was You’ve lost me
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Butland
Feb 15, 2020 22:07:38 GMT
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Post by adi on Feb 15, 2020 22:07:38 GMT
Are you speaking for yourself now or through a medium? I know that wasn’t what you asked. I just think you are wrong. You asked was he there and I told you he was You’ve lost me And I asked you to tell him that I think he is misguided.... please go back to my original message and the subsequent responses from you on his/her response. It should make sense then Edit: just to clarify: you responded on their behalf weirdly and I then asked you to relay a message back to them.
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Butland
Feb 15, 2020 22:10:19 GMT
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 15, 2020 22:10:19 GMT
3rd and fourth were on him. Any decent keeper would have saved them. I was amazed when 3rd went in from that angle had to watch it again
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Butland
Feb 15, 2020 22:11:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 22:11:03 GMT
Just seen the highlights. The 3rd goal,the guy was 2 yards from the touchline when he shot.You would think it impossible to score from there.Butland made it possible. The 4th goal he parried back into play instead of pushing it away or holding on to it. The 1 thing about Butland is he doesn't inspire confidence and that reflects back on the defenders.
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Butland
Feb 15, 2020 22:11:41 GMT
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Post by werrington on Feb 15, 2020 22:11:41 GMT
You asked was he there and I told you he was You’ve lost me And I asked you to tell him that I think he is misguided.... please go back to my original message and the subsequent responses from you on his/her response. It should make sense then Edit: just to clarify: you responded on their behalf weirdly and I then asked you to relay a message back to them. He’ll reply to all that himself when he’s online You asked was he there and I told you he was ....that’s all
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Post by adi on Feb 15, 2020 22:12:15 GMT
Just seen the highlights. The 3rd goal,the guy was 2 yards from the touchline when he shot.You would think it impossible to score from there.Butland made it possible. The 4th goal he parried back into play instead of pushing it away or holding on to it. The 1 thing about Butland is he doesn't inspire confidence and that reflects back on the defenders. He’s had it. The reason a recently favoured English international is at stoke potentially heading into league 1 is not because he’s good. Big fucking hint!!!
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Butland
Feb 15, 2020 22:13:11 GMT
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Post by adi on Feb 15, 2020 22:13:11 GMT
And I asked you to tell him that I think he is misguided.... please go back to my original message and the subsequent responses from you on his/her response. It should make sense then Edit: just to clarify: you responded on their behalf weirdly and I then asked you to relay a message back to them. He’ll reply to all that himself when he’s online You asked was he there and I told you he was ....that’s all Sorry mate I didn’t know you replied on his behalf. Thanks for clarifying
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 15, 2020 23:06:46 GMT
It’s certainly splitting the fans
What I would say is that just because you have an opinion regarding him not being the player he was 3 years ago - it doesn’t make you less of a fan - or an idiot. It’s just an opinion. Nor does it mean you have an agenda.
One things for sure prior to getting his England call up he was a brilliant keeper and now though there are the odd great saves he drops lots of clangers and seems to have totally lost his confidence in bossing the box.
I think a lot of fans expectations have gone down and they think it’s enough that he doesn’t make any mistakes. 3 years ago I think he would have had a more than 50 percent chance of saving all 4 goals today that’s how good he was. Though the first 2 goals weren’t mistakes he didn’t make himself big and made the finishes quite easy for the strikers. In respect to the third the shot was hit well but you simply shouldn’t concede from that angle.
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Post by pushon on Feb 15, 2020 23:16:12 GMT
Whatever he had, it's been gone for quite a while. I'm not confident he'll ever regain his personal confidence while he remains at Stoke. And the possibility of a substantial return on the original outlay seems to have disappeared with his rapid decline in form.
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Butland
Feb 15, 2020 23:17:58 GMT
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Post by adi on Feb 15, 2020 23:17:58 GMT
It’s certainly splitting the fans What I would say is that just because you have an opinion regarding him not being the player he was 3 years ago - it doesn’t make you less of a fan - or an idiot. It’s just an opinion. Nor does it mean you have an agenda. One things for sure prior to getting his England call up he was a brilliant keeper and now though there are the odd great saves he drops lots of clangers and seems to have totally lost his confidence in bossing the box. I think a lot of fans expectations have gone down and they think it’s enough that he doesn’t make any mistakes. 3 years ago I think he would have had a more than 50 percent chance of saving all 4 goals today that’s how good he was. Though the first 2 goals weren’t mistakes he didn’t make himself big and made the finishes quite easy for the strikers. In respect to the third the shot was hit well but you simply shouldn’t concede from that angle. I’d agree. His stock has plummeted and no matter how blinkered fans are there is one thing they can’t ignore and that is that he is in between the sticks of a failing championship club and nobody wants to buy him. At least when Pickford went he was playing well, enough said.
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Post by westlandstokie on Feb 16, 2020 7:21:06 GMT
My two penneth for what it's worth.....just watched yesterday's goals conceded and the the 4th is shocking from Jack Yet again he punches (very weakly) a ball he could and should have held Whats with this obsession of punching or palming away shots he could hold ? They all do it though at every level...must be how they are taught nowadays....oh for a Thomas Sorensen !
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Butland
Feb 16, 2020 9:25:06 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 16, 2020 9:25:06 GMT
Finally seen the goals. No chance with first 3 in my opinion and the last one possibly debatable in that the forward has gone across the show, flicked out his foot, so Jack reacted late due to anticipation of a deflection. 50/50 on the last one. Could he have pushed it further away or did he simply not have the time to react due to the forwards attempted touch? Nowhere near as bad as some were suggesting either way. I think he could've done better with the second goal myself. He didn't really make himself a big target a la Schmeichel. Just watched the goals with my goalkeeper nut son. He agrees with you. Says Jack needed to come out big for second because he was only going to save it by blocking it and was never getting there with his hands sliding into it. I asked him to show me what he would have done and he did the "schmeical". He even calls it the "schmeical"
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 16, 2020 9:51:50 GMT
I think he could've done better with the second goal myself. He didn't really make himself a big target a la Schmeichel. Just watched the goals with my goalkeeper nut son. He agrees with you. Says Jack needed to come out big for second because he was only going to save it by blocking it and was never getting there with his hands sliding into it. I asked him to show me what he would have done and he did the "schmeical". He even calls it the "schmeical" Spot on Dave you need to make yourself big and he just didnt seem to do it on the first or second. Ypur son obviously knows his onions. I genuinly believe pre injury he would have saved the majority of the goals yesterday.
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Butland
Feb 16, 2020 10:04:13 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 16, 2020 10:04:13 GMT
Just watched the goals with my goalkeeper nut son. He agrees with you. Says Jack needed to come out big for second because he was only going to save it by blocking it and was never getting there with his hands sliding into it. I asked him to show me what he would have done and he did the "schmeical". He even calls it the "schmeical" Spot on Dave you need to make yourself big and he just didnt seem to do it on the first or second. Ypur son obviously knows his onions. I genuinly believe pre injury he would have saved the majority of the goals yesterday. The 1st possibly influenced the 2nd. He stayed up in the first then couldn't react so tried to get out and smother the 2nd. He's certainly not at his best. That I'm sure even his staunchest supporters can agree on.
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Post by wolfinsheepsclothing on Feb 16, 2020 10:36:38 GMT
Could and should have done better for 2 of the goals
Body language is still dire
His ‘’good’ saves were fairly standard
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 16, 2020 10:42:09 GMT
Theres a bit of me that thinks MON is being told to play JB in the hope that he plays himself back into form as he's one of our few saleable assets when playing well. Dropping him could pay the end of us getting any sort of fee for him. The downside of course is that whilst he's in the team we are continuing to concede soft goals. Though of course he's not solely resposnible he does play his part.
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Butland
Feb 16, 2020 11:17:33 GMT
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 16, 2020 11:17:33 GMT
Theres a bit of me that thinks MON is being told to play JB in the hope that he plays himself back into form as he's one of our few saleable assets when playing well. Dropping him could pay the end of us getting any sort of fee for him. The downside of course is that whilst he's in the team we are continuing to concede soft goals. Though of course he's not solely resposnible he does play his part. So how do you lose most money. Continue to play Butland whose value must fall with every game he plays or get relegated? Can't honestly believe MON would accept being told who to pick - or if he is he won't be here long. That said there's a part of me that thinks MON will just go back to Northern Ireland full time before Stoke, Scholes and co trashes the reputation of yet another manager.
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Butland
Feb 16, 2020 11:23:23 GMT
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Post by bertiestan on Feb 16, 2020 11:23:23 GMT
1st down to butland, theres no way he should be getting beat that easily at the near post...3rd is down to him also, theres no way he should get beat from that angle....the 4th is just shoddy shit keeping, he’s really having a mare...coupled with our shit defence especially Batth it really is worrying.
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Butland
Feb 16, 2020 11:24:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 11:24:48 GMT
He needs replacing next season, regardless of what division we are in.
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Butland
Feb 16, 2020 11:27:18 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 16, 2020 11:27:18 GMT
Theres a bit of me that thinks MON is being told to play JB in the hope that he plays himself back into form as he's one of our few saleable assets when playing well. Dropping him could pay the end of us getting any sort of fee for him. The downside of course is that whilst he's in the team we are continuing to concede soft goals. Though of course he's not solely resposnible he does play his part. So how do you lose most money. Continue to play Butland whose value must fall with every game he plays or get relegated? Can't honestly believe MON would accept being told who to pick - or if he is he won't be here long. That said there's a part of me that thinks MON will just go back to Northern Ireland full time before Stoke, Scholes and co trashes the reputation of yet another manager. I wouldn’t put it past Scholes and Coates Jnr. It’s a no brainier for me. He needs some time out as his head isn’t right. I guess 2 and a half years of loss after loss can’t be good for a player.
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