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Post by leicspotter on Feb 15, 2020 18:27:14 GMT
Just watched the highlights (?) from the post above, can't see what Butland could have done for the goal's...shit defending, ball watching, out of position, missed tackles...what a shit show of defending
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 15, 2020 18:31:32 GMT
The defence looked far more assured with Federici in goals. Federici should never have been dropped. Butland and ince play because they are 'names' and scfc's fantasy saleable assets, there is no other explanation
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Post by werrington on Feb 15, 2020 18:42:04 GMT
Just watched the highlights (?) from the post above, can't see what Butland could have done for the goal's...shit defending, ball watching, out of position, missed tackles...what a shit show of defending Be quiet ffs The kangaroo court has passed judgement
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 15, 2020 18:46:56 GMT
Just watched the highlights (?) from the post above, can't see what Butland could have done for the goal's...shit defending, ball watching, out of position, missed tackles...what a shit show of defending Be quiet ffs The kangaroo court has passed judgement 11 goals conceeded in 4 games, a mark crossley he most certainly isnt
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 15, 2020 18:53:21 GMT
The defence looked far more assured with Federici in goals. Federici should never have been dropped. Butland and ince play because they are 'names' and scfc's fantasy saleable assets, there is no other explanation Rubbish. 3 conceded v Leeds and birmingham in his first 2 starts and 6 defeats out of 8 suggest otherwise.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 15, 2020 18:57:18 GMT
The defence looked far more assured with Federici in goals. Federici should never have been dropped. Butland and ince play because they are 'names' and scfc's fantasy saleable assets, there is no other explanation Rubbish. 3 conceded v Leeds and birmingham and 6 defeats out of 8 suggest otherwise. Butland is useless, we all know know Federici played well enough not to be dropped. Anybody who knows how to get the gk stats up will prove butland shots to save ratio is right up there with the very worst. Werrington would support butland if he shat in his favourite shoes
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 15, 2020 18:59:41 GMT
Rubbish. 3 conceded v Leeds and birmingham and 6 defeats out of 8 suggest otherwise. Butland is useless, we all know know Federici played well enough not to be dropped. Anybody who knows how to get the gk stats up will prove butland shots to save ratio is right up there with the very worst. Werrington would support butland if he shat in his favourite shoes Werrington would call a spade a spade and if he thought butland was culpable for 1 goal or 4 goals he'd say so. Federici isnt even next in line. Davies is the current no2
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Feb 15, 2020 19:02:23 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 15, 2020 19:02:23 GMT
Rubbish. 3 conceded v Leeds and birmingham and 6 defeats out of 8 suggest otherwise. Butland is useless, we all know know Federici played well enough not to be dropped. Anybody who knows how to get the gk stats up will prove butland shots to save ratio is right up there with the very worst. Werrington would support butland if he shat in his favourite shoes Statistics mean little in isolation. If the chances we give up are sitters, what chance does a keeper have? Arguably the two top keepers in their respective leagues currently have the worst save percentage. Supporters if both clubs slam their teams back 4 on a weekly basis.
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Feb 15, 2020 19:02:48 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 15, 2020 19:02:48 GMT
Butland is useless, we all know know Federici played well enough not to be dropped. Anybody who knows how to get the gk stats up will prove butland shots to save ratio is right up there with the very worst. Werrington would support butland if he shat in his favourite shoes Werrington would call a spade a spade and if he thought butland was culpable for 1 goal or 4 goals he'd say so. Federici isnt even next in line. Davies is the current no2 He won't he backs butland every single time or doesnt post about him and he knows it. Butland has been in goals throughout the whole period we have been shit right back into the premiership. Nothing to do with butland though, I'm going to find these stats that prove he is useless
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 15, 2020 19:22:52 GMT
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Post by werrington on Feb 15, 2020 19:36:20 GMT
Werrington would call a spade a spade and if he thought butland was culpable for 1 goal or 4 goals he'd say so. Federici isnt even next in line. Davies is the current no2 He won't he backs butland every single time or doesnt post about him and he knows it. Butland has been in goals throughout the whole period we have been shit right back into the premiership. Nothing to do with butland though, I'm going to find these stats that prove he is useless As against yourself who sits there cock in hand waiting just waiting to blame him for everything?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 15, 2020 19:40:43 GMT
He won't he backs butland every single time or doesnt post about him and he knows it. Butland has been in goals throughout the whole period we have been shit right back into the premiership. Nothing to do with butland though, I'm going to find these stats that prove he is useless As against yourself who sits there cock in hand waiting just waiting to blame him for everything? Good reason, you don't have good reason, bottom of the GK stats league tells it's own story, Nothing kangaroo court about that. That goal they scored from a stupidly tight angle today he wasnt even facing the ball. Then he parries a collectable shot right into the feet of a qpr player. That was at 3-2 and still in for a point. How long do you trust this guy, he has been dire for years, not weeks or months, years.
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Post by bangorstokie on Feb 15, 2020 19:47:43 GMT
He'll never play for England again, that's for sure.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 15, 2020 20:00:17 GMT
Finally seen the goals. No chance with first 3 in my opinion and the last one possibly debatable in that the forward has gone across the show, flicked out his foot, so Jack reacted late due to anticipation of a deflection. 50/50 on the last one. Could he have pushed it further away or did he simply not have the time to react due to the forwards attempted touch?
Nowhere near as bad as some were suggesting either way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 20:02:27 GMT
From what I saw if it wasn’t for Butland we would have lost 7
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Post by wakeypotter on Feb 15, 2020 20:02:48 GMT
Finally seen the goals. No chance with first 3 in my opinion and the last one possibly debatable in that the forward has gone across the show, flicked out his foot, so Jack reacted late due to anticipation of a deflection. 50/50 on the last one. Could he have pushed it further away or did he simply not have the time to react due to the forwards attempted touch? Nowhere near as bad as some were suggesting either way. Three words Dave. Rose tinted glasses
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Post by Davef on Feb 15, 2020 20:03:34 GMT
Finally seen the goals. No chance with first 3 in my opinion and the last one possibly debatable in that the forward has gone across the show, flicked out his foot, so Jack reacted late due to anticipation of a deflection. 50/50 on the last one. Could he have pushed it further away or did he simply not have the time to react due to the forwards attempted touch? Nowhere near as bad as some were suggesting either way. I think he could've done better with the second goal myself. He didn't really make himself a big target a la Schmeichel.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Feb 15, 2020 20:04:41 GMT
The defence looked far more assured with Federici in goals. Federici should never have been dropped. Butland and ince play because they are 'names' and scfc's fantasy saleable assets, there is no other explanation Rubbish. 3 conceded v Leeds and birmingham in his first 2 starts and 6 defeats out of 8 suggest otherwise. Now now, common sense and the oatcake don't mix.
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Post by scfcwebby on Feb 15, 2020 20:08:25 GMT
Be quiet ffs The kangaroo court has passed judgement 11 goals conceeded in 4 games, a mark crossley he most certainly isnt What do you expect with the shit show infront of him?? Butland couldn't be blamed for much today, maybe the 3rd (?) where he was beaten at his front post but was a top finish to be fair
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Post by chuckrocky on Feb 15, 2020 20:10:14 GMT
Finally seen the goals. No chance with first 3 in my opinion and the last one possibly debatable in that the forward has gone across the show, flicked out his foot, so Jack reacted late due to anticipation of a deflection. 50/50 on the last one. Could he have pushed it further away or did he simply not have the time to react due to the forwards attempted touch? Nowhere near as bad as some were suggesting either way. I’ve only seen one replay of the third goal so I’ll have to watch it again but for me theirs no way he should be scoring from that angle.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 15, 2020 20:12:21 GMT
Finally seen the goals. No chance with first 3 in my opinion and the last one possibly debatable in that the forward has gone across the show, flicked out his foot, so Jack reacted late due to anticipation of a deflection. 50/50 on the last one. Could he have pushed it further away or did he simply not have the time to react due to the forwards attempted touch? Nowhere near as bad as some were suggesting either way. I think he could've done better with the second goal myself. He didn't really make himself a big target a la Schmeichel. Don't think he's had enough chance to get out. He's readying himself for a shot, then has to reset due to Allen's woeful attempted challenge and then move again after shocking defending from Batth and Smith. He could have come out "star fish style" I suppose but then the ball is set for the forward to just slot it through his legs. I'd say culpability lies with Chester for 1, Allen, Batth, Smith for 2, Batth for 3, Chester and Jack for 4. The back 4, individually and collectively is simply not good enough but that shoddy back 4 gets zero protection from the 2 in midfielders either. Apart from Powell and Campbell, it's poor all round really.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 20:16:19 GMT
Are we all ignoring the fact that Jack's game seems to have changed drastically recently?
Regardless of the blame for any of the goals today, he is suddenly really wary of coming off his line at all for whatever reason. He has stopped trying to catch anything but the easiest of catches and now if he comes off his line at all he punches under pressure.
I wince most weeks when I see crosses flashing across the 6 yard box with him rooted to his line.
I look back at the Huddersfield away game and the second goal scored there and wondered if something has either forced a change personally or in the coaching ranks? I might be off beam but something is sticking out around that time for me.
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Feb 15, 2020 20:25:36 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 15, 2020 20:25:36 GMT
Rubbish. 3 conceded v Leeds and birmingham in his first 2 starts and 6 defeats out of 8 suggest otherwise. Now now, common sense and the oatcake don't mix. The only reason butland got back in was change of manager and people were surprised butland got back in.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Feb 15, 2020 20:26:55 GMT
Now now, common sense and the oatcake don't mix. The only reason butland got back in was change of manager and people were surprised butland got back in. The same Butland that only 2 weeks ago kept 3 clean sheets in a row?
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Post by Davef on Feb 15, 2020 20:26:58 GMT
I think he could've done better with the second goal myself. He didn't really make himself a big target a la Schmeichel. Don't think he's had enough chance to get out. He's readying himself for a shot, then has to reset due to Allen's woeful attempted challenge and then move again after shocking defending from Batth and Smith. He could have come out "star fish style" I suppose but then the ball is set for the forward to just slot it through his legs. I'd say culpability lies with Chester for 1, Allen, Batth, Smith for 2, Batth for 3, Chester and Jack for 4. The back 4, individually and collectively is simply not good enough but that shoddy back 4 gets zero protection from the 2 in midfielders either. Apart from Powell and Campbell, it's poor all round really. You're probably right Dave. He was woefully exposed by appalling defending to be fair, though I think he won't enjoy seeing the fourth goal again.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 15, 2020 20:42:06 GMT
Don't think he's had enough chance to get out. He's readying himself for a shot, then has to reset due to Allen's woeful attempted challenge and then move again after shocking defending from Batth and Smith. He could have come out "star fish style" I suppose but then the ball is set for the forward to just slot it through his legs. I'd say culpability lies with Chester for 1, Allen, Batth, Smith for 2, Batth for 3, Chester and Jack for 4. The back 4, individually and collectively is simply not good enough but that shoddy back 4 gets zero protection from the 2 in midfielders either. Apart from Powell and Campbell, it's poor all round really. You're probably right Dave. He was woefully exposed by appalling defending to be fair, though I think he won't enjoy seeing the fourth goal again. He definitely won't. His confidence must be at rock bottom. If we had a viable alternative, you would take him out of firing line but we don't in my opinion. Federici or davies are not the answer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 20:54:22 GMT
Whilst Butland isn’t making any howlers, there’s definitely goals he’s conceding that he would have saved in his pomp......
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 15, 2020 21:02:00 GMT
The only reason butland got back in was change of manager and people were surprised butland got back in. The same Butland that only 2 weeks ago kept 3 clean sheets in a row? Barely had a shot to save.
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 15, 2020 21:05:18 GMT
Fourth goal's his fault entirely. None of the others are IMO.
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 15, 2020 21:08:33 GMT
He's become a liability, he doesn't direct the back four and doesn't command his area. He's 6'5 and 15 stone he should be dominating that penalty area. He's a real problem that no one at the club seems to want to address. I'm nervous whenever we concede a free kick or corner because I know teams will play it into the 6 yard box knowing Butland won't come for it. Every free kick and corner today was hit close to Butland, managers/coaches have sussed him.
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