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Butland
Feb 10, 2020 16:26:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 16:26:34 GMT
Percentage of shots saved in the championship 2019 2020
Rafael Cabral 75.8 Sam Johnson 74.0 Bartoz Bialkov 73.8 Adam federici 68.8 Kiki casilla 68.8 Jack butland 53.8
As per fbref com Go to fbref.com for the complete table of every keeper
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Post by redstriper on Feb 10, 2020 16:33:49 GMT
ffs. The usual agenda from the usual suspects... He took a step to see if he could claim, realised correctly it was swinging away, and sensibly stayed on his line. It was a wonderful cross, that's the bottom line, and their guy attacked it and met it perfectly. Butland had absolutely no chance. His distribution in this match was massively improved. He hit three of the best long passes in the game. Inch perfect. The ability of the serial moaners to find a way to unfairly criticise our players even when we put in a very good performance is an embarrassment. It is just "look at me" bollocks. Sorry for having an opinion. Lots of praise re the performance itself. All said and done Jack had next to nothing to do due to us pretty much controlling the game so I don’t know how that relates to him having a good game. Credit where credits due he had a decent game v WBA but the stats don’t lie and he’s way down the bottom where saves per shots is concerned over the season. Maybe I should have saved my criticism for when we lost. If he was consistently playing well I’d eat lots of humble pie and say it and I hope in the future I do. I don’t have an issue with people disagreeing with an opinion but I don’t get the arsey attitude of some when ultimately all it is is an opinion. No agenda, nothing. To have an agenda your generally looking to gain something. I don’t see what anyone’s looking to gain by posting on a message board. Maybe I’m missing something. I was aiming elsewhere Cobham tbh. There are a number of people on here who spout the same stuff game in game out irrespective of the actual performance, when there is no evidence in a game to back up their theory they'll make some up. Their agenda is all about scoring points on here, trying to prove themselves as some sort of expert. It then starts to appear that they are actually willing player X to make some errors to enhance their position. As i said, that's embarrassing.
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Post by redstriper on Feb 10, 2020 16:37:04 GMT
Percentage of shots saved in the championship 2019 2020 Rafael Cabral 75.8 Sam Johnson 74.0 Bartoz Bialkov 73.8 Adam federici 68.8 Kiki casilla 68.8 Jack butland 53.8 As per fbref com Go to fbref.com for the complete table of every keeper nobody is saying he's been excellent all season, simply that he didn't fuck up on Saturday. As for your theory that he never comes out and punches, grab the stats from the previous few games.
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Butland
Feb 10, 2020 17:02:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 17:02:06 GMT
Percentage of shots saved in the championship 2019 2020 Rafael Cabral 75.8 Sam Johnson 74.0 Bartoz Bialkov 73.8 Adam federici 68.8 Kiki casilla 68.8 Jack butland 53.8 As per fbref com Go to fbref.com for the complete table of every keeper nobody is saying he's been excellent all season, simply that he didn't fuck up on Saturday. As for your theory that he never comes out and punches, grab the stats from the previous few games. He has been a lot less than excellent , he's been poor . But the pertinent statistic missing from the table above is when Adam federici contract expires and it expires this summer . And MoN has already explained he isn't going to be building a team around players who are clearing off in the summer So because he is playing , and I support Stoke , I hope butland ups his game and plays well . Go butland!!! But I will be honest, I would be delighted if we signed someone like sam johnson in the summer .
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Post by lordb on Feb 10, 2020 17:19:22 GMT
nobody is saying he's been excellent all season, simply that he didn't fuck up on Saturday. As for your theory that he never comes out and punches, grab the stats from the previous few games. He has been a lot less than excellent , he's been poor . But the pertinent statistic missing from the table above is when Adam federici contract expires and it expires this summer . And MoN has already explained he isn't going to be building a team around players who are clearing off in the summer So because he is playing , and I support Stoke , I hope butland ups his game and plays well . Go butland!!! But I will be honest, I would be delighted if we signed someone like sam johnson in the summer . But he played all right Saturday...and pretty much for quite some time now. Not up to his past standards but the fuck ups have gone. He's a decent keeper who has had the most astonishing dip in form I've ever seen whose now performing fine. Some indefensible critisicm of him for goals conceded, e.g the two corners v Wednesday where no goalkeeper in the world would have done any better, followed by ludicrous critisicm for Charlton's goal ...I think people need to step back and just see how he's actually playing.
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Butland
Feb 10, 2020 17:31:21 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 10, 2020 17:31:21 GMT
He has been a lot less than excellent , he's been poor . But the pertinent statistic missing from the table above is when Adam federici contract expires and it expires this summer . And MoN has already explained he isn't going to be building a team around players who are clearing off in the summer So because he is playing , and I support Stoke , I hope butland ups his game and plays well . Go butland!!! But I will be honest, I would be delighted if we signed someone like sam johnson in the summer . But he played all right Saturday...and pretty much for quite some time now. Not up to his past standards but the fuck ups have gone. He's a decent keeper who has had the most astonishing dip in form I've ever seen whose now performing fine. Some indefensible critisicm of him for goals conceded, e.g the two corners v Wednesday where no goalkeeper in the world would have done any better, followed by ludicrous critisicm for Charlton's goal ...I think people need to step back and just see how he's actually playing. I don’t think the goal on Saturday was down to him. More Indi’s pace and the lack of a challenge in the box. That said other than v WBA he hasn’t had a whole lot to do so to say he’s getting his form back is a little over generous. I guess it’s frustration more than anything because prior to his injury he was top drawer and one of the best keepers in the country. Over the last 2-3 season he’s made lots of mistakes and even when dropped gets his place back when Federici has done little wrong which seems a bit unfair. As I said it’s a general thing and not specific to Saturday but he just worries me in respect to commanding his box. I just think there are cases where he puts to much pressure on his defenders. Cue he plays a blinder v Preston for which I’d be very happy to eat my words.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 17:33:17 GMT
He has been a lot less than excellent , he's been poor . But the pertinent statistic missing from the table above is when Adam federici contract expires and it expires this summer . And MoN has already explained he isn't going to be building a team around players who are clearing off in the summer So because he is playing , and I support Stoke , I hope butland ups his game and plays well . Go butland!!! But I will be honest, I would be delighted if we signed someone like sam johnson in the summer . But he played all right Saturday...and pretty much for quite some time now. Not up to his past standards but the fuck ups have gone. He's a decent keeper who has had the most astonishing dip in form I've ever seen whose now performing fine. Some indefensible critisicm of him for goals conceded, e.g the two corners v Wednesday where no goalkeeper in the world would have done any better, followed by ludicrous critisicm for Charlton's goal ...I think people need to step back and just see how he's actually playing. re. the goal on Saturday. The ball landed on the edge of the 6 yard box around waist height - centre goal. The lad who scored it was diving in towards the goal. Surely in those circumstances you are allowed to question the goalkeeper as to why he stopped and didn't come out and claim the ball, or even get a hand on it? He must do that day in, day out on the training pitch. I get his confidence is low, and who can blame him after everything that has gone on this season - on and off the pitch? I just don't think questioning it is the sacrilege that many are trying to paint it out to be. I would be fascinated to hear what the coaches have said about it. You are correct, he has improved and has done since the new coach came in; nothing bad about the previous coach obviously.
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Butland
Feb 10, 2020 18:15:47 GMT
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Post by lordb on Feb 10, 2020 18:15:47 GMT
But he played all right Saturday...and pretty much for quite some time now. Not up to his past standards but the fuck ups have gone. He's a decent keeper who has had the most astonishing dip in form I've ever seen whose now performing fine. Some indefensible critisicm of him for goals conceded, e.g the two corners v Wednesday where no goalkeeper in the world would have done any better, followed by ludicrous critisicm for Charlton's goal ...I think people need to step back and just see how he's actually playing. I don’t think the goal on Saturday was down to him. More Indi’s pace and the lack of a challenge in the box. That said other than v WBA he hasn’t had a whole lot to do so to say he’s getting his form back is a little over generous. I guess it’s frustration more than anything because prior to his injury he was top drawer and one of the best keepers in the country. Over the last 2-3 season he’s made lots of mistakes and even when dropped gets his place back when Federici has done little wrong which seems a bit unfair. As I said it’s a general thing and not specific to Saturday but he just worries me in respect to commanding his box. I just think there are cases where he puts to much pressure on his defenders. Cue he plays a blinder v Preston for which I’d be very happy to eat my words. Going back to earlier in the season he had little to do then, we weren't conceding lots of chances, however he still gave away at least 8 goals full on Gordon Marshall. He's cut that out and us now playing...OK. Back to form, no not yet. He is dealing with crosses absolutely fine lately. What he's not doing, rightly, is coming out eight to ten yards to claim crosses which (most if the time) no keeper should.
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Butland
Feb 10, 2020 19:26:43 GMT
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Post by shooters on Feb 10, 2020 19:26:43 GMT
Jack is on his way back for sure. Key to a good gk is a stable defence in front of him that he works with for 5 games at least and then has confidence in - eg a keeper comes for a cross when he automatically knows and trusts a defender will get on the goal line and cover. Different centre backs and full backs all the time dont build that understanding of which defender is naturally just going to block full on or turns sideways. I also sat a few rows back from where that charlton cross was hit from and dont think any gk is getting that - even the great schmeichel in his prime would only have ended up doing that crazy starfish and fall short.
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Butland
Feb 10, 2020 19:34:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 19:34:22 GMT
I hope he is on his way back
I suspect MoN has let him have his chance , because federici is off in the summer
But whatever the reason
He's been given a chance and he needs to take it
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Post by 'i'mnaked' on Feb 10, 2020 20:44:38 GMT
Shit bin. 🚮
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 15, 2020 18:09:08 GMT
Federici must come in next game along with Collins and Tymon.
Back 5 of
.................Federici................ Smith......Collins.......Chester....Tymon
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Post by jeycov on Feb 15, 2020 18:12:11 GMT
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Butland
Feb 15, 2020 18:13:26 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 15, 2020 18:13:26 GMT
If we go down this season we have gone down playing a 'name' in goals for the whole season regardless of his dire form, if 'form' is the appropriate word
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Butland
Feb 15, 2020 18:13:32 GMT
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Post by werrington on Feb 15, 2020 18:13:32 GMT
Federici must come in next game along with Collins and Tymon. Back 5 of .................Federici................ Smith......Collins.......Chester....Tymon Why?
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Butland
Feb 15, 2020 18:15:01 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 15, 2020 18:15:01 GMT
Federici must come in next game along with Collins and Tymon. Back 5 of .................Federici................ Smith......Collins.......Chester....Tymon Why? Because butland could have done better with 3 of them goals and his defenders have no confidence in him. He also let 4 in at derby, 4 in at qpr... what does a keeper have to do to get dropped?
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Butland
Feb 15, 2020 18:15:37 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 15, 2020 18:15:37 GMT
Federici must come in next game along with Collins and Tymon. Back 5 of .................Federici................ Smith......Collins.......Chester....Tymon Have you been to the game today?
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Butland
Feb 15, 2020 18:16:41 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 15, 2020 18:16:41 GMT
Because butland could have done better with 3 of them goals and his defenders have no confidence in him. He also let 4 on at derby, 4 in at qpr... what does a keeper have to do to get dropped? Could have done better with 3 goals😄😄Which other 2 besides the 4th?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 15, 2020 18:16:58 GMT
Federici must come in next game along with Collins and Tymon. Back 5 of .................Federici................ Smith......Collins.......Chester....Tymon Why? Because things need to change. Having a keeper who commands his box better will make the defence more confident. Right now they're playing with fear. Collins and Chester for me I think will be a good combination till Ryans fit. I dont actually think Tymon is as bad as some make out.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 15, 2020 18:18:04 GMT
Federici must come in next game along with Collins and Tymon. Back 5 of .................Federici................ Smith......Collins.......Chester....Tymon Have you been to the game today? Yes.
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Butland
Feb 15, 2020 18:18:46 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 15, 2020 18:18:46 GMT
Have you been to the game today? Yes. Blindfolded?
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Butland
Feb 15, 2020 18:19:38 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 15, 2020 18:19:38 GMT
Federici must come in next game along with Collins and Tymon. Back 5 of .................Federici................ Smith......Collins.......Chester....Tymon Have you been to the game today? I've seen no coverage of today's game yet. There was no mention at all of mistakes by butland in the various media sources I've used to keep tabs on the game other than here. Sky had him keeping us in the game with a number of finger tip saves. Sky, bbc and talk sport drew no attention at all to butland. Looking forward to seeing the goals.
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Post by werrington on Feb 15, 2020 18:20:05 GMT
Because butland could have done better with 3 of them goals and his defenders have no confidence in him. He also let 4 in at derby, 4 in at qpr... what does a keeper have to do to get dropped? Seriously.....what a load of utter bollocks
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Butland
Feb 15, 2020 18:20:25 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 15, 2020 18:20:25 GMT
Because butland could have done better with 3 of them goals and his defenders have no confidence in him. He also let 4 on at derby, 4 in at qpr... what does a keeper have to do to get dropped? Could have done better with 3 goals😄😄Which other 2 besides the 4th? Goes down easy for the first, let one past from an angle he shouldn't for the second (wasnt even facing the ball) and then just when you think we could salvage a point at 3-2 flapjack strikes again and parrys a soft shot ( by a decent keepers standards) straight at their player, a shot he should have held or pushed wide?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 15, 2020 18:20:41 GMT
Because butland could have done better with 3 of them goals and his defenders have no confidence in him. He also let 4 on at derby, 4 in at qpr... what does a keeper have to do to get dropped? Could have done better with 3 goals😄😄Which other 2 besides the 4th? It's not just the personal mistakes it's the fact he doesnt command his box and is permanantly rooted to his line. The first 2 werent his fault but he didnt exactly make it difficult for the strikers and the third was poor from the angle it came from.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 15, 2020 18:21:06 GMT
Because things need to change. Having a keeper who commands his box better will make the defence more confident. Right now they're playing with fear. Collins and Chester for me I think will be a good combination till Ryans fit. I dont actually think Tymon is as bad as some make out. I don't think gordon banks could make batth, Smith and BMI defend better in all honesty. All 3 are terrible defenders incapable even of doing the basics right on a semi consistent basis
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 15, 2020 18:21:09 GMT
Have you been to the game today? I've seen no coverage of today's game yet. There was no mention at all of mistakes by butland in the various media sources I've used to keep tabs on the game other than here. Sky had him keeping us in the game with a number of finger tip saves. Sky, bbc and talk sport drew no attention at all to butland. Looking forward to seeing the goals. 4th goal Dave for me nothing else but no doubt some will disagree,kept us in to be honest
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 15, 2020 18:22:53 GMT
Because things need to change. Having a keeper who commands his box better will make the defence more confident. Right now they're playing with fear. Collins and Chester for me I think will be a good combination till Ryans fit. I dont actually think Tymon is as bad as some make out. The defence have zero faith in each other and when you see how shit they are, you can’t blame them. However, there are some goalkeeping basics that Butland has lost and needs to be dropped for the team and his own sake. He was never particularly bold at coming out for things, but now his starting position always seem to be from his goal line.....he just can’t read the game and if he starts from a position any further back, he’ll be tangled in the nets. Drop him now and until the end of the season.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 15, 2020 18:25:01 GMT
I've seen no coverage of today's game yet. There was no mention at all of mistakes by butland in the various media sources I've used to keep tabs on the game other than here. Sky had him keeping us in the game with a number of finger tip saves. Sky, bbc and talk sport drew no attention at all to butland. Looking forward to seeing the goals. 4th goal Dave for me nothing else but no doubt some will disagree,kept us in to be honest Kept us in it? The shots he saved were right down his throat? They were harder to get out of the way of
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Butland
Feb 15, 2020 18:25:31 GMT
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Post by chad on Feb 15, 2020 18:25:31 GMT
Don’t think he should be dropped but being beaten twice from tight angles at his near post , he has to take some responsibility for that
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