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Butland
Feb 9, 2020 13:14:07 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 9, 2020 13:14:07 GMT
No way was he where the ball finished. I never said he was. More like 5 yards off
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Post by scfc75 on Feb 9, 2020 13:14:18 GMT
Bruno is at main fault for the goal. He was running in slow motion. That said I wouldn’t crucify any player yesterday as we played well as a team and got 3 important points against a relegation rival.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 13:15:40 GMT
I never said he was. More like 5 yards off Jack's a big lad Dave. I'm sure he'd have got something on it had he not stopped. There's no real drama from me on it, I just think he should back himself more. Bruno is the one who made the biggest error and looking at it again, I can't work out if he's jogging, can't be arsed or just rank slow.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 9, 2020 13:21:21 GMT
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Butland
Feb 9, 2020 13:35:31 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 9, 2020 13:35:31 GMT
I was there v Swansea and have been to 3 other games this season so I don’t know where you get your info from. Not bad considering I work weekends and live 160 miles away. I wasn’t specifically talking about yesterday’s goal he’s been doing it most of the season. He just won’t come out for crosses or leave his line rarely. I thought this was a discussion board based on opinion not agendas. The agenda is yours. Hes been coming for a lot more lately. You just hammer him after every match. Such as he did at the baggies.SAD The thread wasn’t specifically about yesterday it was about his general game. He’s dipped massively over the last 2-3 years and all I’m saying he doesn’t come off his line which puts added pressure on the defence. You have your opinion I have mine. I want him to do well but he worries the hell out of me re a mistake always being around the corner. I really hope he can turn it around as pre injury he was international class. fbref.com/en/comps/10/keepers/Championship-Stats
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Post by juiceandbits on Feb 9, 2020 13:38:35 GMT
Yeah tbh Bruno should have done much, much better for that goal and seems like he is being beaten for pace but also can't be arshed. The half-hearted leg stick-out as an attempt to block the cross was pathetic. He needs to go in the summer.
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Butland
Feb 9, 2020 14:21:50 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 9, 2020 14:21:50 GMT
He did go for it. Then went back. Then because of that wasn’t set for what should have been a save he makes. It was awful dithering goalkeeping. From a move that started with his shit kick. He didn't go for it though did he? He took 1 step forward (arguably half a step) and then went back. If any blame is attributed to butland them it is from the kick but even then, the ball went back and their move started inside their own half. BMI got done despite having a 5 yard head start on their lad and their full back scored with ince nowhere to be seen. He definitely did go for it and it cost him. He should have just attacked it and not dithered like he did. He was in no position to make a dive nor catch it by the time he fucked around.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 9, 2020 14:25:30 GMT
Another with no experience of playing football at any level ever That has fuck all to do with anything. He went for the cross and then went back. The shot went past him at a very comfortable place for a save. But his weight was all on his right leg as he had just got back and wasn’t set because of his dithering. It was awful goalkeeping again on two occasions in the same move. His kick that lead to it all was equally awful. Get it as far in the corner as you can. Instead he slices one that doesn’t get past the halfway line. I admire your exemplary in-depth knowledge of everything football. You're wasted, get in touch with MON because I’m sure he could benefit from your support. Especially in the area of goalkeeping.
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Butland
Feb 9, 2020 14:27:37 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 9, 2020 14:27:37 GMT
That has fuck all to do with anything. He went for the cross and then went back. The shot went past him at a very comfortable place for a save. But his weight was all on his right leg as he had just got back and wasn’t set because of his dithering. It was awful goalkeeping again on two occasions in the same move. His kick that lead to it all was equally awful. Get it as far in the corner as you can. Instead he slices one that doesn’t get past the halfway line. I admire your exemplary in-depth knowledge of everything football. You're wasted, get in touch with MON because I’m sure he could benefit from your support. Especially in the area of goalkeeping. We do need a new one so if he gets in touch I will gladly let him know 😂
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Butland
Feb 9, 2020 14:36:26 GMT
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Post by thehoof on Feb 9, 2020 14:36:26 GMT
I'm still a bit baffled that Indi didn't get to the ball first before the cross came in! He was meters ahead of the winger when he first started running for the ball! Oh no Rob- it’s clearly Butland’s fault- you don’t expect a full back to stop the cross do you- especially when , as you say, he had a 3 yard head start? The ball went into the net at a right rate of knots from 7 yards out, but Butland should have saved it😂- unlike their keeper who was beaten by the rocket power of Ince’s shot.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 14:39:45 GMT
Personally I'd be giving Jack a contract for another two years while his stock is low, I think he's going to bounce back and in the summer he'll only have a year left.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 14:41:38 GMT
The poor fucker who taught Bayern at school, you can just imagine him defiantly arguing that 2+2 is in fact 5.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 14:42:18 GMT
That has fuck all to do with anything. He went for the cross and then went back. The shot went past him at a very comfortable place for a save. But his weight was all on his right leg as he had just got back and wasn’t set because of his dithering. It was awful goalkeeping again on two occasions in the same move. His kick that lead to it all was equally awful. Get it as far in the corner as you can. Instead he slices one that doesn’t get past the halfway line. I admire your exemplary in-depth knowledge of everything football. You're wasted, get in touch with MON because I’m sure he could benefit from your support. Especially in the area of goalkeeping. Are you saying people who have never played professional football before can only ever say positive things about the club, it's players and management staff? You aren't shy in coming forward to have a go at the Chief Executive at times, so i'm assuming you yourself are an ex football CEO?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 9, 2020 15:52:48 GMT
I admire your exemplary in-depth knowledge of everything football. You're wasted, get in touch with MON because I’m sure he could benefit from your support. Especially in the area of goalkeeping. Are you saying people who have never played professional football before can only ever say positive things about the club, it's players and management staff? You aren't shy in coming forward to have a go at the Chief Executive at times, so i'm assuming you yourself are an ex football CEO? In respect of the CEO we can talk about “factual” failures on his watch. That’s what I base my comments on. Whilst agree wholeheartedly that football is about opinions it does strike me that some hope their “continual” overly critical views will brainwash others. If you, like a minority “honestly” JB was at fault for Charlton’s goal fair enough. I’m confident a vast silent majority would disagree.
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Butland
Feb 9, 2020 15:54:45 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 9, 2020 15:54:45 GMT
Are you saying people who have never played professional football before can only ever say positive things about the club, it's players and management staff? You aren't shy in coming forward to have a go at the Chief Executive at times, so i'm assuming you yourself are an ex football CEO? In respect of the CEO we can talk about “factual” failures on his watch. That’s what I base my comments on. Whilst agree wholeheartedly that football is about opinions it does strike me that some hope their “continual” overly critical views will brainwash others. If you, like a minority “honestly” JB was at fault for Charlton’s goal fair enough. I’m confident a vast silent majority would disagree. What a very strange view.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 9, 2020 15:58:12 GMT
In respect of the CEO we can talk about “factual” failures on his watch. That’s what I base my comments on. Whilst agree wholeheartedly that football is about opinions it does strike me that some hope their “continual” overly critical views will brainwash others. If you, like a minority “honestly” JB was at fault for Charlton’s goal fair enough. I’m confident a vast silent majority would disagree. What a very strange view. 107, 001.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 16:17:30 GMT
Are you saying people who have never played professional football before can only ever say positive things about the club, it's players and management staff? You aren't shy in coming forward to have a go at the Chief Executive at times, so i'm assuming you yourself are an ex football CEO? In respect of the CEO we can talk about “factual” failures on his watch. That’s what I base my comments on. Whilst agree wholeheartedly that football is about opinions it does strike me that some hope their “continual” overly critical views will brainwash others. If you, like a minority “honestly” JB was at fault for Charlton’s goal fair enough. I’m confident a vast silent majority would disagree. I'd respect your view more if it was an isolated view whereby it could be argued you were correct. Sadly, this is your stock stance on here and it is with a view to shutting down all kinds of negative criticism, constructive or not. I find your accusation that overly critical posters try to brainwash people a little bit rich, coming from someone who tries to brainwash others with the constant "have you ever been a professional?" routine. What is your point about the vast, silent majority? They haven't played professional football either so why is their opinion any more valid than someone who is negative?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 9, 2020 17:10:15 GMT
In respect of the CEO we can talk about “factual” failures on his watch. That’s what I base my comments on. Whilst agree wholeheartedly that football is about opinions it does strike me that some hope their “continual” overly critical views will brainwash others. If you, like a minority “honestly” JB was at fault for Charlton’s goal fair enough. I’m confident a vast silent majority would disagree. I'd respect your view more if it was an isolated view whereby it could be argued you were correct. Sadly, this is your stock stance on here and it is with a view to shutting down all kinds of negative criticism, constructive or not. I find your accusation that overly critical posters try to brainwash people a little bit rich, coming from someone who tries to brainwash others with the constant "have you ever been a professional?" routine. What is your point about the vast, silent majority? They haven't played professional football either so why is their opinion any more valid than someone who is negative? Well said. Some people on here get all shirty if you don’t Agree with them. Dave Jonnos a good poster because even when you don’t agree he never resorts to being rude.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 9, 2020 17:23:21 GMT
I'd respect your view more if it was an isolated view whereby it could be argued you were correct. Sadly, this is your stock stance on here and it is with a view to shutting down all kinds of negative criticism, constructive or not. I find your accusation that overly critical posters try to brainwash people a little bit rich, coming from someone who tries to brainwash others with the constant "have you ever been a professional?" routine. What is your point about the vast, silent majority? They haven't played professional football either so why is their opinion any more valid than someone who is negative? Well said. Some people on here get all shirty if you don’t Agree with them. Dave Jonnos a good poster because even when you don’t agree he never resorts to being rude. Cheers ya f*****g t**t
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Butland
Feb 9, 2020 17:28:15 GMT
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Post by mattador78 on Feb 9, 2020 17:28:15 GMT
If all keepers played perfectly all of the time every game would be 0-0
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 17:56:18 GMT
I'd respect your view more if it was an isolated view whereby it could be argued you were correct. Sadly, this is your stock stance on here and it is with a view to shutting down all kinds of negative criticism, constructive or not. I find your accusation that overly critical posters try to brainwash people a little bit rich, coming from someone who tries to brainwash others with the constant "have you ever been a professional?" routine. What is your point about the vast, silent majority? They haven't played professional football either so why is their opinion any more valid than someone who is negative? Well said. Some people on here get all shirty if you don’t Agree with them. Dave Jonnos a good poster because even when you don’t agree he never resorts to being rude. The point is, the messageboard is here for all to air their views and as long as they do it within the bounds of the rules as set down by the admin team, then they are well entitled to them and have them discussed with fellow posters without being called out for not being a professional or ex professional footballer. You don't have to be an ex professional footballer to come on here and be positive or negative about the club, the owners, individual players or groups of players. If you did, then it simply wouldn't exist as I dare say there are very few if any that post on here!
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Feb 9, 2020 20:04:46 GMT
I'm still a bit baffled that Indi didn't get to the ball first before the cross came in! He was meters ahead of the winger when he first started running for the ball! BMI was the worst player on the pitch yesterday. Gouranga.
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Post by simple on Feb 9, 2020 20:21:39 GMT
Has a ex semi pro Keeper,who was lucky enough to have training sessions with the Great Gordon Banks,I remember his words a goal keepers job is to do the basic thing right.Come for crosses,command your six yard box ,and comunicate with your back four.He said during a game keeping is 90% basic work 10% is shot stopping.Sorry Jack is a goal line keeper.
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Butland
Feb 10, 2020 7:54:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 7:54:13 GMT
Has a ex semi pro Keeper,who was lucky enough to have training sessions with the Great Gordon Banks,I remember his words a goal keepers job is to do the basic thing right.Come for crosses,command your six yard box ,and comunicate with your back four.He said during a game keeping is 90% basic work 10% is shot stopping.Sorry Jack is a goal line keeper. So Gordon Banks said saving the ball wasn't basic work, but coming and catching the ball (which is kinda the same thing) is. You didn't listen in that lesson did you?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 9:13:08 GMT
If all keepers played perfectly all of the time every game would be 0-0 Goals can be scored that aren't the keepers fault,in fact most goals are scored that way
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Butland
Feb 10, 2020 9:34:41 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 10, 2020 9:34:41 GMT
Has a ex semi pro Keeper,who was lucky enough to have training sessions with the Great Gordon Banks,I remember his words a goal keepers job is to do the basic thing right.Come for crosses,command your six yard box ,and comunicate with your back four.He said during a game keeping is 90% basic work 10% is shot stopping.Sorry Jack is a goal line keeper. Gordon banks loved jack and rated him very highly.
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Post by daveandeddy on Feb 10, 2020 9:38:55 GMT
Hes kept three clean sheets in the last five games. He could do nothing about Derby's goals nor the goal yesterday. He was excellent against West Brom. If you honestly think he should have come for that cross yesterday then you have never had any training ever as a keeper. Rule 101....dont come out of your 6 yard box for a ball thats swinging away from you. Post for the shit bin I think O He did go for it. Then went back. Then because of that wasn’t set for what should have been a save he makes. It was awful dithering goalkeeping. From a move that started with his shit kick. As an ex keeper at a pretty good level..... He bottled it... He came - stopped and back pedaled giving himself little chance of reacting to a shot or header. Simply bottled it
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Post by redstriper on Feb 10, 2020 12:27:21 GMT
ffs. The usual agenda from the usual suspects...
He took a step to see if he could claim, realised correctly it was swinging away, and sensibly stayed on his line.
It was a wonderful cross, that's the bottom line, and their guy attacked it and met it perfectly. Butland had absolutely no chance.
His distribution in this match was massively improved. He hit three of the best long passes in the game. Inch perfect.
The ability of the serial moaners to find a way to unfairly criticise our players even when we put in a very good performance is an embarrassment. It is just "look at me" bollocks.
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Butland
Feb 10, 2020 16:04:38 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 10, 2020 16:04:38 GMT
ffs. The usual agenda from the usual suspects... He took a step to see if he could claim, realised correctly it was swinging away, and sensibly stayed on his line. It was a wonderful cross, that's the bottom line, and their guy attacked it and met it perfectly. Butland had absolutely no chance. His distribution in this match was massively improved. He hit three of the best long passes in the game. Inch perfect. The ability of the serial moaners to find a way to unfairly criticise our players even when we put in a very good performance is an embarrassment. It is just "look at me" bollocks. Sorry for having an opinion. Lots of praise re the performance itself. All said and done Jack had next to nothing to do due to us pretty much controlling the game so I don’t know how that relates to him having a good game. Credit where credits due he had a decent game v WBA but the stats don’t lie and he’s way down the bottom where saves per shots is concerned over the season. Maybe I should have saved my criticism for when we lost. If he was consistently playing well I’d eat lots of humble pie and say it and I hope in the future I do. I don’t have an issue with people disagreeing with an opinion but I don’t get the arsey attitude of some when ultimately all it is is an opinion. No agenda, nothing. To have an agenda your generally looking to gain something. I don’t see what anyone’s looking to gain by posting on a message board. Maybe I’m missing something.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 16:17:35 GMT
I don't think people have an agenda against butland
His saves per shots ratio is poor
And he pretty much always stays on his line , regardless of whether it's a good cross or a bad cross
It's true that banks , shilton, crossley , Sorensen , Lee grant etc are respected by pretty much all Stoke fans and it's true that they didn't stay rooted to their line for pretty much every cross and corner kick
If butland wants to be respected by pretty much all stokies like banks , shilton , crossley Sorensen and grant ...then he's going to have to man up...start helping out Danny baath and James Chester... and start coming for the ball , and either catching it or punching it clear
He is not going to win people over by staying on his line
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