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Butland
Feb 29, 2020 17:54:19 GMT
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Post by bagnallboothen on Feb 29, 2020 17:54:19 GMT
He can't win can he. He's at fault when the opposition shoot and he's at fault when they don't? Federici clearly isn't in the managers plans. Davies has played 1 game All season and dropped an absolute clanger. Would you honestly put him in goal for the final 10 games? Yes. And I mean that sincerely. I want him to succeed I really do but right now he’s got a major cock up in him every game. I think we at least need to give the other 2 a proper chance which doesn’t mean 1 game and drop them when they’ve done nothing wrong. Fair enough, it's a game of opinions. Personally I'd stick the the experience now and I think MON will do the same. We'll know in a months time if it was the right decision or not.
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Post by adamsson on Feb 29, 2020 17:54:31 GMT
His penalty record is pretty pathetic. His one against one is fecking awful too which is epitomised by his penalty stats. That said he made an important save to keep us in the game on Tuesday and we really can't blame him for not saving a penalty - although today would have been a timely fecking time to finally save one. I do think we have employed another yes man in MON. Clearly been told he must persist and keep playing him in the hope he hits some form and we can make some money out of him. Just another manager who is doing what he is told by the backroom staff and happy to be getting his big chance in the cheap and uninspiring backwaters of Stoke-on-Trent. That said he has done a good job to have us in with a chance of survival and should be given the keys to the town if he manages to keep this mediocre bunch of gutless wonders in the division Can't blame him for not saving a penalty, but we should blame him for not saving any penalty.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Feb 29, 2020 17:56:19 GMT
He looked shaky the whole game, but that was not the reason why we dropped two points! Maybe not but his inability/reluctance or plain stupidity to refuse to dive to his left at least once in his fucking career may have been! Gouranga.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 29, 2020 17:56:23 GMT
Was able to have a close look at him today like you can't at many stadiums. He is shot. Confidence non existent and all but gone as a top keeper. It gives me no pleasure to say it because he seems decent fella but we need a new keeper. I remember listening to a Radio 5 live program on recruitment, many years ago. Not long after we got into the PL. TP was interviewed amongst others. One bloke on there was an ex Sheffield Wednesday scout who mentioned Jack Butland (think the scout's second name was Lee) when he was out at Cheltenham on loan as a youngster. He mentioned that one particular game he made a huge mistake and spent the rest of that half kicking the floor and chewing his gloves, which according to him is a sure sign for any scout worth his salt that the player is a naturally nervous player who struggles mentally with pressure. At the time I thought the scout was being harsh as Butland was only a really young lad at the time, but who knows, maybe it is rearing it's head again inside Jack. He was awful in the PL when under this type of pressure. He does absolutely nothing of note regularly that inspires confidence in me. Really frustrating as the last home game he was superb. He’s had one good season with us. The rest he’s been average to poor. He’s massively overrated.
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Butland
Feb 29, 2020 17:59:34 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 29, 2020 17:59:34 GMT
Thankfully you’re fuck all to do with picking the team Ah yeah unlike the bloke who dropped MOM and the best centre half at the club for the bloke who gave away the penalty. Marvellous stuff. Butland is shot. Get over whatever it is you have with him because it’s that’s sort of loyalty that will see us relegated. Yes the same bloke that’s taken 31 points after taking over from an utter wanker.I think I’ll trust his judgment over a keyboard manager on here
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Butland
Feb 29, 2020 18:02:39 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 29, 2020 18:02:39 GMT
Ah yeah unlike the bloke who dropped MOM and the best centre half at the club for the bloke who gave away the penalty. Marvellous stuff. Butland is shot. Get over whatever it is you have with him because it’s that’s sort of loyalty that will see us relegated. Yes the same bloke that’s taken 31 points after taking over from an utter wanker.I think I’ll trust his judgment over a keyboard manager on here Yeah he’s done well but it doesn’t mean he’s infallible or above criticism. Playing Butland is a massive fuck up. Because he’s as bad as the utter wanker you mention. Indeed if that utter wanker had fucked Butland off sooner we’d have at least 5-8 more points now at least. How anyone can want Butland play is beyond me. It’s absolute madness.
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Butland
Feb 29, 2020 18:03:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 18:03:23 GMT
Ah yeah unlike the bloke who dropped MOM and the best centre half at the club for the bloke who gave away the penalty. Marvellous stuff. Butland is shot. Get over whatever it is you have with him because it’s that’s sort of loyalty that will see us relegated. Yes the same bloke that’s taken 31 points after taking over from an utter wanker.I think I’ll trust his judgment over a keyboard manager on here Don't turn into the others mate. We can have opinions on here without resorting to the "he's a manager and you're not" routine. It's opinions of supporters that keep this game going up and down the country.
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Butland
Feb 29, 2020 18:07:21 GMT
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 29, 2020 18:07:21 GMT
I'm a nervous wreck whenever a cross is played close to Jack, the last keeper that made me feel that nervous was Gordon Marshall. That's how much Jack has regressed. Its actually very sad to watch his decline.
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Butland
Feb 29, 2020 18:09:56 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 29, 2020 18:09:56 GMT
Yes the same bloke that’s taken 31 points after taking over from an utter wanker.I think I’ll trust his judgment over a keyboard manager on here Don't turn into the others mate. We can have opinions on here without resorting to the "he's a manager and you're not" routine. It's opinions of supporters that keep this game going up and down the country. I’m not turning it into fuck all mate,in my opinion he’s still the best keeper at the club and the manager agrees.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 29, 2020 18:11:52 GMT
Imagine thinking Federici or the invisible man are better options. Man alive.
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Butland
Feb 29, 2020 18:12:47 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 29, 2020 18:12:47 GMT
Don't turn into the others mate. We can have opinions on here without resorting to the "he's a manager and you're not" routine. It's opinions of supporters that keep this game going up and down the country. I’m not turning it into fuck all mate,in my opinion he’s still the best keeper at the club and the manager agrees. He does. But the manager also dropped the MOM from the last game and then his replacement gave away the penalty. It’s not a great argument is it? 😂
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Butland
Feb 29, 2020 18:13:37 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 29, 2020 18:13:37 GMT
Imagine thinking Federici or the invisible man are better options. Man alive. You’re a better option nevermind Federici. Davies though, nah. 😂
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Butland
Feb 29, 2020 18:13:51 GMT
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Post by bagnallboothen on Feb 29, 2020 18:13:51 GMT
I’m not turning it into fuck all mate,in my opinion he’s still the best keeper at the club and the manager agrees. He does. But the manager also dropped the MOM from the last game and then his replacement gave away the penalty. It’s not a great argument is it? 😂 You're not going to start on the manager now are you?
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Butland
Feb 29, 2020 18:14:41 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 29, 2020 18:14:41 GMT
I’m not turning it into fuck all mate,in my opinion he’s still the best keeper at the club and the manager agrees. He does. But the manager also dropped the MOM from the last game and then his replacement gave away the penalty. It’s not a great argument is it? 😂 Chester was always going to start today despite Collins playing well the other night
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 29, 2020 18:14:47 GMT
He does. But the manager also dropped the MOM from the last game and then his replacement gave away the penalty. It’s not a great argument is it? 😂 Your'e not going to start on the manager now are you? No but he can be criticised. He’s had a shitter today.
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Butland
Feb 29, 2020 18:15:10 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 29, 2020 18:15:10 GMT
He does. But the manager also dropped the MOM from the last game and then his replacement gave away the penalty. It’s not a great argument is it? 😂 Chester was always going to start today despite Collins playi g well the other night Which is absolute pathetic weak management.
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Butland
Feb 29, 2020 18:15:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 18:15:10 GMT
Don't turn into the others mate. We can have opinions on here without resorting to the "he's a manager and you're not" routine. It's opinions of supporters that keep this game going up and down the country. I’m not turning it into fuck all mate,in my opinion he’s still the best keeper at the club and the manager agrees. Sadly the manager also thought it was a great idea to sit behind the ball for 45 minutes against a side that have shipped over 70 goals. I won't insult you by asking if you blindly agree with that because I know your answer will be no, but I'm sure you see the point I'm making?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 29, 2020 18:16:14 GMT
Has he ever saved a Pen.in a LEAGUE game? Has he ever dived the right way? Has he ever dived AFTER the kick was taken?
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Butland
Feb 29, 2020 18:16:25 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 29, 2020 18:16:25 GMT
Chester was always going to start today despite Collins playi g well the other night Which is absolute pathetic weak management. In your opinion which just like mine matters not one jot unfortunately
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 29, 2020 18:16:39 GMT
I haven't seen a goalkeeper look as scared as Butland did in the second half since Gomes cried at our place. I have no idea what's going on in his head.
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Butland
Feb 29, 2020 18:17:44 GMT
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Post by bagnallboothen on Feb 29, 2020 18:17:44 GMT
Your'e not going to start on the manager now are you? No but he can be criticised. He’s had a shitter today. We're 9th in the league since he took over. 4 points off the top 6. We've got to trust him
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Butland
Feb 29, 2020 18:20:35 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 29, 2020 18:20:35 GMT
No but he can be criticised. He’s had a shitter today. We're 9th in the league since he took over. 4 points off the top 6. We've got to trust him I do but that’s got fuck all with how shit he’s been today.
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Butland
Feb 29, 2020 18:22:40 GMT
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Post by adi on Feb 29, 2020 18:22:40 GMT
It’s all Butland’s fault again I see🙄 Very perceptive. So when he makes some good saves it’s to shut the moaners up, when he’s poor it’s the supporters fault?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 29, 2020 18:23:07 GMT
Thought Jack was poor today but was more disappointed with MON, think he’s been excellent since he’s come in but that feeble negative approach against a very poor side was extraordinarily disappointing. We should have gutted them
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Butland
Feb 29, 2020 18:24:03 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 29, 2020 18:24:03 GMT
It’s all Butland’s fault again I see🙄 Very perceptive. So when he makes some good saves it’s to shut the moaners up, when he’s poor it’s the supporters fault? Its his fault whatever happens apparently
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 29, 2020 18:25:31 GMT
Very perceptive. So when he makes some good saves it’s to shut the moaners up, when he’s poor it’s the supporters fault? Its his fault whatever happens apparently How can you defend him today? Second half he was a shambles at everything he had to do.
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Butland
Feb 29, 2020 18:27:03 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 29, 2020 18:27:03 GMT
Its his fault whatever happens apparently How can you defend him today? Second half he was a shambles at everything he had to do. Some blamed him because he didn’t stop the pen(as ever) that’s all.
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Butland
Feb 29, 2020 18:27:17 GMT
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Post by adi on Feb 29, 2020 18:27:17 GMT
Very perceptive. So when he makes some good saves it’s to shut the moaners up, when he’s poor it’s the supporters fault? Its his fault whatever happens apparently That’s not a very constructive response mate. He made some very poor claims today and we would’ve lost if not for an offside. You were very quick to jump on people last week and this week have made very little effort at defending today’s display. I think it’s because he was poor really and once again failed to save a penalty, that’s how many conceded versus saved now? I think someone says it’s 40v0 which if true is staggering.
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Butland
Feb 29, 2020 18:30:33 GMT
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Post by Roger Everyone on Feb 29, 2020 18:30:33 GMT
He will return to form eventually, reminds me of the Southampton keeper frazier forster who couldn't do anything right. But by all accounts he has returned to form now. Butland will find it again. Yes but probably once he's left us! Yes exactly how I see it. Will leave us and find form again with someone else.
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Butland
Feb 29, 2020 18:34:31 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 29, 2020 18:34:31 GMT
Its his fault whatever happens apparently That’s not a very constructive response mate. He made some very poor claims today and we would’ve lost if not for an offside. You were very quick to jump on people last week and this week have made very little effort at defending today’s display. I think it’s because he was poor really and once again failed to save a penalty, that’s how many conceded versus saved now? I think someone says it’s 40v0 which if true is staggering. I agree his penalty record is horrendous and he never ever looks like saving one.As for jumping on people we’ve conceded 1 goal this week in 270 minutes of football from a stupid tackle from James Chester but yet again Butland is criticised(unnecessarily for me) constantly about his contribution.Some don’t agree that’s fair enough
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