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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Feb 9, 2021 17:57:29 GMT
There’s a good argument to make that we’d be better off with Benik as an option to Fletch and as an option out wide a la Ty, than Vokes or Brown, and that’s not revisionism at work either. A 'good' argument? MON plays 4-3-3. Like Rowett. Afobe isn't a lone striker in any way, shape or form. We could play him where Ty played or even to the left, as when he beautifully floated in a cross to Bojan at Swansea away. I agree he’s not a lone striker but are you telling me we couldn’t make use of him at the moment? |
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Post by lordb on Feb 9, 2021 17:59:58 GMT
A 'good' argument? MON plays 4-3-3. Like Rowett. Afobe isn't a lone striker in any way, shape or form. We could play him where Ty played or even to the left, as when he beautifully floated in a cross to Bojan at Swansea away. I agree he’s not a lone striker but are you telling me we couldn’t make use of him at the moment? Yes we couldn't. He's dreadful |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 9, 2021 18:03:31 GMT
A 'good' argument? MON plays 4-3-3. Like Rowett. Afobe isn't a lone striker in any way, shape or form. We could play him where Ty played or even to the left, as when he beautifully floated in a cross to Bojan at Swansea away. I agree he’s not a lone striker but are you telling me we couldn’t make use of him at the moment? I am, yes, He's appalling. Do you not recall when he was used out wide against QPR and got booed off? Out of order, for sure, but it didn't go well. What would he do out wide? He hasn't got much in the way of skill, he doesn't go past players... |
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Post by lancashirelad on Feb 9, 2021 19:46:17 GMT
A player who had a one season and a few games purple patch has made a good living from the game.
When Mad Nath put him up front to support Vokes (who was ok for a few weeks) but he showed no natural instinct to play off a striker, Fletcher could be a great foil and set up a player but Afobe as a player would waste Fletchers efforts. Leave him in Turkey if it is helping him get back together which i hope it does.
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Post by thicknthin on Feb 9, 2021 20:51:55 GMT
We had a better lone striker already at the club if that’s how Rowett wanted to play. Why did he sign a player who did not fit the system he wanted to play?
Yes hindsight is a wonderful thing, but despite his limitations Mame was a much better all round player. Especially in that position. There is no way we would have been worse off with him and Bojan in the side rather than Adobe Ince.
He may have been on a few quid, but not the fees combined for Benik and Vokes?
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Post by lordb on Feb 9, 2021 20:55:38 GMT
We had a better lone striker already at the club if that’s how Rowett wanted to play. Why did he sign a player who did not fit the system he wanted to play? Yes hindsight is a wonderful thing, but despite his limitations Mame was a much better all round player. Especially in that position. There is no way we would have been worse off with him and Bojan in the side rather than Adobe Ince. He may have been on a few quid, but not the fees combined for Benik and Vokes? Diouf,Bojan save the £20m+ on those, spend a chunk on expensive Gayle loan, |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 9, 2021 23:21:24 GMT
100% would much rather have Benik back than Vokes and Brown. By far as well. In set ups that suited all three I'd still back Vokes to score more, Afobe's record isn't really all that good. |
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 9, 2021 23:45:52 GMT
Afobe doesnt want to be at Stoke so who cares if he's better than Vokes or not?
Neither are the answer in any shape or form
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 10, 2021 8:51:28 GMT
In all seriousness, TWO more seasons after this one of Benik and his £25-30k-a-week is enough to make your eyes water.
MON must be close to pulling his hair out.
How was it possible to spend £12.5m that badly in the summer of 2018 and end up with such a poor player with zero resale value?
His value on the books this summer will still be about £5m, won't it? So no chance of a sale.
So looks like 2 more loans paying God knows what of his salary to see his contract out... if we're lucky. And at what level of league, who knows?
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Post by nott1 on Feb 10, 2021 8:57:12 GMT
Afobe doesnt want to be at Stoke so who cares if he's better than Vokes or not? Neither are the answer in any shape or form My dead gran is just as good as Vokes! |
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 10, 2021 9:15:15 GMT
100% would much rather have Benik back than Vokes and Brown. By far as well. In set ups that suited all three I'd still back Vokes to score more, Afobe's record isn't really all that good. Its fucking appalling, barring one purple patch at MK Dons in League 1 and one decent half season at Wolves. "Afobe is a proven goalscorer" is an absolute fucking myth. |
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Post by musik on Feb 10, 2021 9:31:23 GMT
Give him a chance. Better than nothing.
Do we have any striker now?
Campbell injured.
Gregory gone.
I don't really count Samuel "walks like Jimmy Connors" Vokes or Steven "Captain Haddock" Fletcher.
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 10, 2021 9:50:16 GMT
100% would much rather have Benik back than Vokes and Brown. By far as well. In set ups that suited all three I'd still back Vokes to score more, Afobe's record isn't really all that good. What set up would suit Vokes? |
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Post by lordb on Feb 10, 2021 10:29:29 GMT
In set ups that suited all three I'd still back Vokes to score more, Afobe's record isn't really all that good. What set up would suit Vokes? 442 |
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Post by musik on Feb 10, 2021 10:30:24 GMT
In set ups that suited all three I'd still back Vokes to score more, Afobe's record isn't really all that good. What set up would suit Vokes? Look at how he moves his feet when he walks slowly. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 10, 2021 11:34:04 GMT
In set ups that suited all three I'd still back Vokes to score more, Afobe's record isn't really all that good. What set up would suit Vokes? Any that focuses on winging crosses into the box. He scored 20 and 15 in his two champ seasons with Burnley so there clearly is one, but while we're playing a system that suits no one we aren't going to get any of the current strikers firing. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 12:09:42 GMT
We had a better lone striker already at the club if that’s how Rowett wanted to play. Why did he sign a player who did not fit the system he wanted to play? Did he know what he was doing or was he signing players that his agent proposed...? |
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 10, 2021 12:14:02 GMT
We had a better lone striker already at the club if that’s how Rowett wanted to play. Why did he sign a player who did not fit the system he wanted to play? Did he know what he was doing or was he signing players that his agent proposed...? We'll never know for sure - but it's tempting to lay this one at Kevin Phillips' door. These quotes were made before he even came to Stoke. If Phillips wasn't part of the picture lobbying for Afobe, you do wonder if we'd have ended up with Gayle instead - and you can only guess how different things may have been? |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 10, 2021 12:14:23 GMT
In set ups that suited all three I'd still back Vokes to score more, Afobe's record isn't really all that good. What set up would suit Vokes? One that includes no running, effort, motivation or application at all. He's here to pick up his over inflated salary for as long as he can do. |
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Post by lordb on Feb 10, 2021 12:26:29 GMT
What set up would suit Vokes? One that includes no running, effort, motivation or application at all. He's here to pick up his over inflated salary for as long as he can do. he really isn't attitude is very good he's just been shit |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 10, 2021 12:29:05 GMT
What set up would suit Vokes? Any that focuses on winging crosses into the box. He scored 20 and 15 in his two champ seasons with Burnley so there clearly is one, but while we're playing a system that suits no one we aren't going to get any of the current strikers firing. His legs still worked back then though..... |
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 10, 2021 12:30:09 GMT
Did he know what he was doing or was he signing players that his agent proposed...? We'll never know for sure - but it's tempting to lay this one at Kevin Phillips' door. These quotes were made before he even came to Stoke. If Phillips wasn't part of the picture lobbying for Afobe, you do wonder if we'd have ended up with Gayle instead - and you can only guess how different things may have been? You don't need a bloody Director of Football to understand that Gayle would have suited 4-3-3 like a pig in shit. As someone once commented on here, he is (was?) the Aguero of the Championship and would have scored a bagful if we'd spent the Afobe and Vokes money on him instead. |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 10, 2021 12:35:41 GMT
One that includes no running, effort, motivation or application at all. He's here to pick up his over inflated salary for as long as he can do. he really isn't attitude is very good he's just been shit What makes you say his attitude is very good ? |
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Post by RAF on Feb 10, 2021 12:49:10 GMT
In set ups that suited all three I'd still back Vokes to score more, Afobe's record isn't really all that good. What set up would suit Vokes? Alsager Town. H |
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Post by lordb on Feb 10, 2021 14:47:26 GMT
he really isn't attitude is very good he's just been shit What makes you say his attitude is very good ? having met him can confirm he's a thoroughly decent chap someone I know who comes into contact with the players & has an intel on what goes in training confirms he's a good pro e.t.c as is Gregory it seems there are no poisonous characters at the club any more , Wimmer,Ince,Afobe all well liked just because they are or have been shit doesn't mean they are bad character's just there to pick up a wage if I hear different will say so |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 10, 2021 15:00:15 GMT
What makes you say his attitude is very good ? having met him can confirm he's a thoroughly decent chap someone I know who comes into contact with the players & has an intel on what goes in training confirms he's a good pro e.t.c as is Gregory it seems there are no poisonous characters at the club any more , Wimmer,Ince,Afobe all well liked just because they are or have been shit doesn't mean they are bad character's just there to pick up a wage if I hear different will say so Vokes actually trains  is he not just putting the cones out ? |
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Post by lordb on Feb 10, 2021 15:04:20 GMT
having met him can confirm he's a thoroughly decent chap someone I know who comes into contact with the players & has an intel on what goes in training confirms he's a good pro e.t.c as is Gregory it seems there are no poisonous characters at the club any more , Wimmer,Ince,Afobe all well liked just because they are or have been shit doesn't mean they are bad character's just there to pick up a wage if I hear different will say so Vokes actually trains is he not just putting the cones out ? Zzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 10, 2021 15:10:09 GMT
Vokes actually trains is he not just putting the cones out ? Zzzzzzzzzzzzz That's how I feel watching him lumbering around not breaking sweat, in my opinion he's an over payed journeyman out for a last big pay day he doesn't look to me as if he gives a toss about the club, but opinions hey. |
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Post by mickstupp on Feb 10, 2021 15:46:22 GMT
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if Afobe was our top goal scorer next season. Our manager has been able to rescue lost causes like Lyndsay, Smith, and Vokes so there is no reason why he can’t get a tune out of Benik. This comment has not aged well. 😂😂 I really do need to quit smoking crack. |
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Post by lordb on Feb 10, 2021 16:02:39 GMT
That's how I feel watching him lumbering around not breaking sweat, in my opinion he's an over payed journeyman out for a last big pay day he doesn't look to me as if he gives a toss about the club, but opinions hey. How can you tell by looking? |
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is he not just putting the cones out ?
