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Post by neddy on Jan 3, 2020 8:53:24 GMT
Etebo has already been seen at Getafe. Today everyone hopes to make it official I really can’t see what he did wrong! If it’s FFP reasons they should now say so unequivocally in my view! |
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Post by thestatusquo on Jan 3, 2020 8:57:26 GMT
Sorry to see him go. Always gave his best and looked a good player to me. Given the financial shit show that has been allowed to develop it was inevitable he would go. Hopefully another nail in the chief executive's coffin. Doubt it though - it must be more nail than wood as it is. I don’t think there’s enough wood left to get anymore in!! |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Jan 3, 2020 8:59:28 GMT
It’s been bad business by us however I guess you could look on it that
If they impress on there loans then clubs will be alerted and we’ll get decent money for them which we wouldn’t at the moment.
If they dont do well then maybe they’re not as good as we think they are and loans or a low value fee is the best we can hope for.
Right now we have to trust the manager who is slowly turning us around.
In the end if we aren’t going to use them hopefully we can spend the money on some loans like the Liverpool youngsters.
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 3, 2020 9:11:06 GMT
Which question? The one about how the team is getting results without these pair? Erm, I clearly acknowledged that in the post you scoffed at mate. The one about why people are rushing to stick the boot into them when we know pretty much nothing either way? Didn't O'Neil state several players had made it clear they felt their futures lay elsewhere and they wouldn't be selected and they would be the first to leave.I think it would be naive given that they have the same agent and one of the two has stated in the past he wants to leave,that these pair want to stay.I guess that people feel a bit betrayed that they aren't up for the fight. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 3, 2020 9:18:36 GMT
Joke. Another loan from scfc. We are going to get fuck all from the money we have spent.
Etebo will do well in a team that knows what they are doing, only going to get better as will campbell.
Why will people buy them when soft touch scfc will offer a risk free loan deal everytime?
No good? Send them back to scfc
Long term injury? Send them back to scfc
Cant afford them? Send them back to scfc
Decent player? Loan him again next season
The player and agents even know themselves their players can get loan deals instead of cash transfers, they will be more than happy to run down a contract for obvious reasons.
The only players we will end up left with are the ones no one even wants to loan and we will be cash strapped stock piling more shite into the squad.
Joke club
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 3, 2020 9:39:28 GMT
Butland
Bardsley
Shawcross
Wimmer
Pieters
Etebo
Badou
Imbula
Verlinden
vokes
McLean
This could actually be our team now if used common sense and we knew how to keep the interest of players you actually sign (like other clubs do)
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Post by lordb on Jan 3, 2020 9:50:25 GMT
Joke. Another loan from scfc. We are going to get fuck all from the money we have spent. Etebo will do well in a team that knows what they are doing, only going to get better as will campbell. Why will people buy them when soft touch scfc will offer a risk free loan deal everytime? No good? Send them back to scfc Long term injury? Send them back to scfc Cant afford them? Send them back to scfc Decent player? Loan him again next season The player and agents even know themselves their players can get loan deals instead of cash transfers, they will be more than happy to run down a contract for obvious reasons. The only players we will end up left with are the ones no one even wants to loan and we will be cash strapped stock piling more shite into the squad. Joke club So what do you suggest? Keep them here,keep paying them, when they don't want to be here? |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 3, 2020 9:55:17 GMT
Joke. Another loan from scfc. We are going to get fuck all from the money we have spent. Etebo will do well in a team that knows what they are doing, only going to get better as will campbell. Why will people buy them when soft touch scfc will offer a risk free loan deal everytime? No good? Send them back to scfc Long term injury? Send them back to scfc Cant afford them? Send them back to scfc Decent player? Loan him again next season The player and agents even know themselves their players can get loan deals instead of cash transfers, they will be more than happy to run down a contract for obvious reasons. The only players we will end up left with are the ones no one even wants to loan and we will be cash strapped stock piling more shite into the squad. Joke club So what do you suggest? Keep them here,keep paying them, when they don't want to be here? I've said it from day one of relegation, make them earn their move by playing football well enough to attract interest if they are so keen to move. These players know they can get a loan if they want one, all they have to do is down tools, we failed to set an example and now they're taking the piss. We arn't even a selling club we are a giving away club, everybody knows it |
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Post by rawli on Jan 3, 2020 9:56:30 GMT
Joke. Another loan from scfc. We are going to get fuck all from the money we have spent. Etebo will do well in a team that knows what they are doing, only going to get better as will campbell. Why will people buy them when soft touch scfc will offer a risk free loan deal everytime? No good? Send them back to scfc Long term injury? Send them back to scfc Cant afford them? Send them back to scfc Decent player? Loan him again next season The player and agents even know themselves their players can get loan deals instead of cash transfers, they will be more than happy to run down a contract for obvious reasons. The only players we will end up left with are the ones no one even wants to loan and we will be cash strapped stock piling more shite into the squad. Joke club People on here who seem to know their onions accounting wise have pointed out it makes more sense ffp wise to loan rather than sell at a loss. This seems to be the strategy the club is having to follow. |
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Post by Northy on Jan 3, 2020 9:57:41 GMT
Joke. Another loan from scfc. We are going to get fuck all from the money we have spent. Etebo will do well in a team that knows what they are doing, only going to get better as will campbell. Why will people buy them when soft touch scfc will offer a risk free loan deal everytime? No good? Send them back to scfc Long term injury? Send them back to scfc Cant afford them? Send them back to scfc Decent player? Loan him again next season The player and agents even know themselves their players can get loan deals instead of cash transfers, they will be more than happy to run down a contract for obvious reasons. The only players we will end up left with are the ones no one even wants to loan and we will be cash strapped stock piling more shite into the squad. Joke club we normally do get money for a loan deal, didnt we get £1-2m for Ndiaye from Galatasary? |
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Post by nonameface on Jan 3, 2020 10:18:00 GMT
Joke. Another loan from scfc. We are going to get fuck all from the money we have spent. Etebo will do well in a team that knows what they are doing, only going to get better as will campbell. Why will people buy them when soft touch scfc will offer a risk free loan deal everytime? No good? Send them back to scfc Long term injury? Send them back to scfc Cant afford them? Send them back to scfc Decent player? Loan him again next season The player and agents even know themselves their players can get loan deals instead of cash transfers, they will be more than happy to run down a contract for obvious reasons. The only players we will end up left with are the ones no one even wants to loan and we will be cash strapped stock piling more shite into the squad. Joke club The club went big in the first year wanting to get automatic promotion because the owners have the financial muscle to keep spending. Unfortunately, this has made it even more difficult to sell players at a loss now because the club are losing more now than if they hadn't spent as much as they did, we must be close to breaching this year. Ultimately FFP is preventing the club from selling and buying players now, so given the circumstances we need to be pleased the club are loaning out players. The better loans will cover all wages and provide a loan fee. These types of loans can only be bettered by sales which are a FFP profit. Right now those players that could be sold for a (small) FFP profit would probably be Butland, Gregory, Powell, Collins, Davies, Federeci, Edwards, Ward, Cousins and if amortised enough Allen. There may be more, but I can't think of them. We'll struggle with; BMI, Smith, Lindsay, Clucas, Woods, Ince (massively), McLean, Vokes, Afobe and Batth. So if the club don't want any of the above, it's likely to be a loan. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2020 10:20:34 GMT
Erm, I clearly acknowledged that in the post you scoffed at mate. The one about why people are rushing to stick the boot into them when we know pretty much nothing either way? Didn't O'Neil state several players had made it clear they felt their futures lay elsewhere and they wouldn't be selected and they would be the first to leave.I think it would be naive given that they have the same agent and one of the two has stated in the past he wants to leave,that these pair want to stay.I guess that people feel a bit betrayed that they aren't up for the fight. Do you not think the majority of the squad would be off if they got a better offer though? And their performances on the pitch very much suggested they were committed as long as they were here, which in our predicament is really about the best we can ask for. Is pretty vague speculation really enough to justify some of the vitriol and assumptions made on their characters? |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 3, 2020 10:22:24 GMT
Butland Bardsley Shawcross Wimmer Pieters Etebo Badou Imbula Verlinden vokes McLean This could actually be our team now if used common sense and we knew how to keep the interest of players you actually sign (like other clubs do) Wimmer and Imbula aren’t exactly ripping it up in the champions league are they? Sometimes things don’t happen, for which there are multiple reasons, not just the club. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 3, 2020 10:30:24 GMT
I'll paint a picture, scfc fall into a big hole and ten tonne of muck fall on top of it, nobody wants to be in that hole.
The club have no option but to dig themselves out of it, Your best diggers have an option of using a passage way to avoid the hardship and getting dirty.
Do they a) stay and dig?
Or b) take the exit door?
What if there wasn't an exit door? Are they happy to stay in the hole with ten tonne of shit on top or do they start digging?
Fulham's players are digging
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Post by sportsman on Jan 3, 2020 10:35:25 GMT
Etebo has already been seen at Getafe. Today everyone hopes to make it official I really can’t see what he did wrong! If it’s FFP reasons they should now say so unequivocally in my view! I really don't get how people are still in the dark on this. Soon as MON came in it was clear badou and etebo were off in January. It wasn't rocket science. We needed their wages gone to free up some movement and they obviously wanted to move on. |
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Post by mamasgloves on Jan 3, 2020 10:45:23 GMT
I think some are going to have egg on their face when the angelic Allen leaves, he wants to be here about as much as Ndiaye apparently
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Post by chamberlain on Jan 3, 2020 10:52:12 GMT
Butland Bardsley Shawcross Wimmer Pieters Etebo Badou Imbula Verlinden vokes McLean This could actually be our team now if used common sense and we knew how to keep the interest of players you actually sign (like other clubs do) Wimmer 😂 |
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Post by neddy on Jan 3, 2020 10:54:31 GMT
I really can’t see what he did wrong! If it’s FFP reasons they should now say so unequivocally in my view! I really don't get how people are still in the dark on this. Soon as MON came in it was clear badou and etebo were off in January. It wasn't rocket science. We needed their wages gone to free up some movement and they obviously wanted to move on. If that’s the case as maybe then why doesn’t the club just say that when it announces the moves? Let’s see..why leave it to speculation? |
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 3, 2020 10:59:25 GMT
Didn't O'Neil state several players had made it clear they felt their futures lay elsewhere and they wouldn't be selected and they would be the first to leave.I think it would be naive given that they have the same agent and one of the two has stated in the past he wants to leave,that these pair want to stay.I guess that people feel a bit betrayed that they aren't up for the fight. Do you not think the majority of the squad would be off if they got a better offer though? And their performances on the pitch very much suggested they were committed as long as they were here, which in our predicament is really about the best we can ask for. Is pretty vague speculation really enough to justify some of the vitriol and assumptions made on their characters? But it's OK to question the Managers commitment before one game. I know you said you haven't but plenty did. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2020 11:01:49 GMT
Do you not think the majority of the squad would be off if they got a better offer though? And their performances on the pitch very much suggested they were committed as long as they were here, which in our predicament is really about the best we can ask for. Is pretty vague speculation really enough to justify some of the vitriol and assumptions made on their characters? But it's OK to question the Managers commitment before one game. I know you said you haven't but plenty did. Where have I said it's ok? Is it not fair to say both are unfair? Or do you just have to unequivocally nail yourself to a fixed position from the get-go? |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2020 11:03:36 GMT
I really can’t see what he did wrong! If it’s FFP reasons they should now say so unequivocally in my view! I really don't get how people are still in the dark on this. Soon as MON came in it was clear badou and etebo were off in January. It wasn't rocket science. We needed their wages gone to free up some movement and they obviously wanted to move on. Doesn't that apply to pretty much everyone though? If West Ham come in for Allen, do you think he's going to say "sorry Moysie, any other time I'd love to, but I've got a six pointer at Wigan to look forward to here"? |
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 3, 2020 11:13:39 GMT
But it's OK to question the Managers commitment before one game. I know you said you haven't but plenty did. Where have I said it's ok? Is it not fair to say both are unfair? Or do you just have to unequivocally nail yourself to a fixed position from the get-go? I don't get why these pair are held up as paragons of virtue. One of them has been looking to leave the moment he signed for us and the other hasn't been professional with his approach. I might get it if they were stand out footballers but the evidence suggests they are not. |
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Post by thebet365 on Jan 3, 2020 11:30:48 GMT
Where have I said it's ok? Is it not fair to say both are unfair? Or do you just have to unequivocally nail yourself to a fixed position from the get-go? I don't get why these pair are held up as paragons of virtue. One of them has been looking to leave the moment he signed for us and the other hasn't been professional with his approach. I might get it if they were stand out footballers but the evidence suggests they are not. Rewind 4 months and people didn't want the "Wanker" near our club again, now the club are the "wankers" for sending him out on loan to Turkey. There could be all sorts of politics behind the scenes that we don't know about, Loyalty bonuses for X amount of appearances, Transfer add ons for X amount of appearances, Agents telling the club the player wants out in January, but some "fans" would just rather attack the club. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2020 11:34:07 GMT
Where have I said it's ok? Is it not fair to say both are unfair? Or do you just have to unequivocally nail yourself to a fixed position from the get-go? I don't get why these pair are held up as paragons of virtue. One of them has been looking to leave the moment he signed for us and the other hasn't been professional with his approach. I might get it if they were stand out footballers but the evidence suggests they are not. We don't know either way so it doesn't seem fair to dismiss them as lazy or unprofessional - that certainly wasn't the narrative before the change of manager? The evidence suggests they are good footballers doesn't it? They've both been among our better players when they've played. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2020 11:34:51 GMT
I don't get why these pair are held up as paragons of virtue. One of them has been looking to leave the moment he signed for us and the other hasn't been professional with his approach. I might get it if they were stand out footballers but the evidence suggests they are not. Rewind 4 months and people didn't want the "Wanker" near our club again, now the club are the "wankers" for sending him out on loan to Turkey. There could be all sorts of politics behind the scenes that we don't know about, Loyalty bonuses for X amount of appearances, Transfer add ons for X amount of appearances, Agents telling the club the player wants out in January, but some "fans" would just rather attack the club. There's not really any need to attack either is there? |
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 3, 2020 11:37:35 GMT
I don't get why these pair are held up as paragons of virtue. One of them has been looking to leave the moment he signed for us and the other hasn't been professional with his approach. I might get it if they were stand out footballers but the evidence suggests they are not. We don't know either way so it doesn't seem fair to dismiss them as lazy or unprofessional - that certainly wasn't the narrative before the change of manager? The evidence suggests they are good footballers doesn't it? They've both been among our better players when they've played. Sending out tweets, not training hard enough and not preparing for a match strikes me as a lack of professionalism. Joe Allen cups his ears and the world is set on fire. |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 3, 2020 11:38:47 GMT
I really don't get how people are still in the dark on this. Soon as MON came in it was clear badou and etebo were off in January. It wasn't rocket science. We needed their wages gone to free up some movement and they obviously wanted to move on. If that’s the case as maybe then why doesn’t the club just say that when it announces the moves? Let’s see..why leave it to speculation? What beenfit would there be to Stoke City in announcing to the world that it was selling players because of financial stress? Think about if for a minute, it would be madness |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 3, 2020 11:45:13 GMT
Joke. Another loan from scfc. We are going to get fuck all from the money we have spent. Etebo will do well in a team that knows what they are doing, only going to get better as will campbell. Why will people buy them when soft touch scfc will offer a risk free loan deal everytime? No good? Send them back to scfc Long term injury? Send them back to scfc Cant afford them? Send them back to scfc Decent player? Loan him again next season The player and agents even know themselves their players can get loan deals instead of cash transfers, they will be more than happy to run down a contract for obvious reasons. The only players we will end up left with are the ones no one even wants to loan and we will be cash strapped stock piling more shite into the squad. Joke club The club went big in the first year wanting to get automatic promotion because the owners have the financial muscle to keep spending. Unfortunately, this has made it even more difficult to sell players at a loss now because the club are losing more now than if they hadn't spent as much as they did, we must be close to breaching this year. Ultimately FFP is preventing the club from selling and buying players now, so given the circumstances we need to be pleased the club are loaning out players. The better loans will cover all wages and provide a loan fee. These types of loans can only be bettered by sales which are a FFP profit. Right now those players that could be sold for a (small) FFP profit would probably be Butland, Gregory, Powell, Collins, Davies, Federeci, Edwards, Ward, Cousins and if amortised enough Allen. There may be more, but I can't think of them. We'll struggle with; BMI, Smith, Lindsay, Clucas, Woods, Ince (massively), McLean, Vokes, Afobe and Batth. So if the club don't want any of the above, it's likely to be a loan. Not sure that's accurate. We write down player values in line with their contracts so BMI would be half price now and most of the last season's summer signings would be written down enough so that we could sell them at an actual loss but breakeven for FFP purposes, if we Ince cost £7 million, we would need about £4 million for exampleand about £3.5m for Woods. This season's signings and Vokes and Afobe would be difficult though |
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Post by thebet365 on Jan 3, 2020 11:48:08 GMT
It’s been bad business by us however I guess you could look on it that If they impress on there loans then clubs will be alerted and we’ll get decent money for them which we wouldn’t at the moment. If they dont do well then maybe they’re not as good as we think they are and loans or a low value fee is the best we can hope for. Right now we have to trust the manager who is slowly turning us around. In the end if we aren’t going to use them hopefully we can spend the money on some loans like the Liverpool youngsters. Bringing another teams youngsters into a Relegation battle sounds like a recipe for a disaster, it's also somewhere I doubt Liverpool will want to send their youngsters either. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2020 11:57:40 GMT
We don't know either way so it doesn't seem fair to dismiss them as lazy or unprofessional - that certainly wasn't the narrative before the change of manager? The evidence suggests they are good footballers doesn't it? They've both been among our better players when they've played. Sending out tweets, not training hard enough and not preparing for a match strikes me as a lack of professionalism. Joe Allen cups his ears and the world is set on fire. Of the three, the Tweet is the only one we know about isn't it? O'Neill hasn't said he trained badly, he said he trained ok. Anecdotal evidence about a warm up doesn't strike me as sufficient to make your mind up about a player's character, given we haven't been privy to what's gone on behind the scenes either way? For all we know he's been told from Day One he won't be part of the manager's plans and that's had a demotivational impact on him. Feasible, not a shred of hard evidence to support it, just the other side of the coin to the 'he sees him every day in training' brigade who also have pretty much nothing to go on but have summarily ruled on him. |
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