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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 2, 2020 21:47:15 GMT
Where has this rush to dismiss the two players as lazy no marks come from, out of interest?
They've gone and results have picked up regardless, so happy days I guess, but it's a bit distasteful that so many are falling over themselves to stick the boot into them based on really not very much at all?
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 2, 2020 22:26:23 GMT
Where has this rush to dismiss the two players as lazy no marks come from, out of interest? They've gone and results have picked up regardless, so happy days I guess, but it's a bit distasteful that so many are falling over themselves to stick the boot into them based on really not very much at all? Lol, unbelievable. |
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 2, 2020 22:27:23 GMT
Yes it’s massively odd. He does good things then isn’t seen again hardly. That’s really fucking odd. Maybe there’s an insight in your post. Unlike us MON sees him virtually every day. Training. Matches. Around the place. Who knows. Maybe he’s trying some new radical managerial approach which includes spending time with and perhaps talking to and listening to players. Then basing his team selections on his observations. Bollocks, the keyboard Jose's know better. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 2, 2020 22:28:00 GMT
Yet you can’t actually answer the question Pugs.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 2, 2020 22:31:59 GMT
Yet you can’t actually answer the question Pugs. Which question? The one about how the team is getting results without these pair? |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 2, 2020 22:34:25 GMT
Yet you can’t actually answer the question Pugs. Which question? The one about how the team is getting results without these pair? Erm, I clearly acknowledged that in the post you scoffed at mate. The one about why people are rushing to stick the boot into them when we know pretty much nothing either way? |
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 2, 2020 22:38:05 GMT
Which question? The one about how the team is getting results without these pair? Erm, I clearly acknowledged that in the post you scoffed at mate. The one about why people are rushing to stick the boot into them when we know pretty much nothing either way? Like rushing to stick the boot in before a team has been picked? Or accusing a manager of a British bias based on really not very much at all? A bit distasteful. Still we're getting some results so happy days I GUESS. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 2, 2020 22:42:15 GMT
Erm, I clearly acknowledged that in the post you scoffed at mate. The one about why people are rushing to stick the boot into them when we know pretty much nothing either way? Like rushing to stick the boot in before a team has been picked? Or accusing a manager of a British bias based on really not very much at all? A bit distasteful. Still we're getting some results so happy days I GUESS. You still haven’t answered the question. And yes, naturally with results picking up the questioning of the manager eases off. That’s how it works. We’re in a relegation battle and we need all the help we can get so while we were performing miserably and not getting results while these two were left out without explanation of course questions were going to be asked of the manager. Credit to him for getting things largely spot on over the last few games. So why are we demonising these two players again? |
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 2, 2020 22:47:37 GMT
Like rushing to stick the boot in before a team has been picked? Or accusing a manager of a British bias based on really not very much at all? A bit distasteful. Still we're getting some results so happy days I GUESS. You still haven’t answered the question. And yes, naturally with results picking up the questioning of the manager eases off. That’s how it works. We’re in a relegation battle and we need all the help we can get so while we were performing miserably and not getting results while these two were left out without explanation of course questions were going to be asked of the manager. Credit to him for getting things largely spot on over the last few games. So why are we demonising these two players again? You questioned the manager before his first game. I'm not sure that is how it works but fair enough. We were in a relegation battle, performing miserably and not getting results with these pair in the side. He's left them out, now we are getting results, we look more of a team, we appear to have more spirit. Coincidence? Could be. I'm not sure we're demonising them either. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2020 22:52:10 GMT
Diouf is the epitome of a team player though. How do you know that? Do you know what goes on in training? Building a team isn't just about what's on the pitch. Maybe he's great off it as well, maybe the manager doesn't see it. Either way what I saw the other day was a great team performance and that's the first time I've seen it for a long time. We’ve had them on and off during the season. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2020 22:52:46 GMT
Where has this rush to dismiss the two players as lazy no marks come from, out of interest? They've gone and results have picked up regardless, so happy days I guess, but it's a bit distasteful that so many are falling over themselves to stick the boot into them based on really not very much at all? Training. It’s always something we and they can’t see. Funny that. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 2, 2020 22:54:05 GMT
You still haven’t answered the question. And yes, naturally with results picking up the questioning of the manager eases off. That’s how it works. We’re in a relegation battle and we need all the help we can get so while we were performing miserably and not getting results while these two were left out without explanation of course questions were going to be asked of the manager. Credit to him for getting things largely spot on over the last few games. So why are we demonising these two players again? You questioned the manager before his first game. I'm not sure that is how it works but fair enough. We were in a relegation battle, performing miserably and not getting results with these pair in the side. He's left them out, now we are getting results, we look more of a team, we appear to have more spirit. Coincidence? Could be. I questioned why he wasn’t starting Ndiaye yeah. He’d been one of our best players all season. Just to be clear, you’re blaming Ndiaye and Etebo for us being shit until now? Again, can you show your working? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 2, 2020 23:00:54 GMT
You questioned the manager before his first game. I'm not sure that is how it works but fair enough. We were in a relegation battle, performing miserably and not getting results with these pair in the side. He's left them out, now we are getting results, we look more of a team, we appear to have more spirit. Coincidence? Could be. I questioned why he wasn’t starting Ndiaye yeah. He’d been one of our best players all season. Just to be clear, you’re blaming Ndiaye and Etebo for us being shit until now? Again, can you show your working? Rob at the end of the day if O’Neill doesn’t want/rate the pair of them then no matter what we as fans think we have to trust his judgment on the matter.Or as was suggested he’s been told in no uncertain terms they’re leaving no matter what. |
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 2, 2020 23:00:58 GMT
You questioned the manager before his first game. I'm not sure that is how it works but fair enough. We were in a relegation battle, performing miserably and not getting results with these pair in the side. He's left them out, now we are getting results, we look more of a team, we appear to have more spirit. Coincidence? Could be. I questioned why he wasn’t starting Ndiaye yeah. He’d been one of our best players all season. Just to be clear, you’re blaming Ndiaye and Etebo for us being shit until now? Again, can you show your working? I've blamed every single player we have had all season and the clueless manager we had, not just these two. That said, you cannot deny that since they have been left out we appear to have got better and the spirit of the team has improved. Maybe you can. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 2, 2020 23:03:29 GMT
I questioned why he wasn’t starting Ndiaye yeah. He’d been one of our best players all season. Just to be clear, you’re blaming Ndiaye and Etebo for us being shit until now? Again, can you show your working? Rob at the end of the day if O’Neill doesn’t want/rate the pair of them then no matter what we as fans think we have to trust his judgment on the matter.Or as was suggested he’s been told in no uncertain terms they’re leaving no matter what. That's not my point though mate. They're gone. Job done. Results are improving without them, so if it stays that way everyone's probably better off. What I dont understand is the rush from some to stick the boot into the players themselves? We don't know what's gone on or if anything's gone on yet terms like 'wanker' and 'lazy ass' are being bandied about? |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 2, 2020 23:05:53 GMT
I questioned why he wasn’t starting Ndiaye yeah. He’d been one of our best players all season. Just to be clear, you’re blaming Ndiaye and Etebo for us being shit until now? Again, can you show your working? I've blamed every single player we have had all season and the clueless manager we had, not just these two. That said, you cannot deny that since they have been left out we appear to have got better and the spirit of the team has improved. Maybe you can. The spirit has got better because we've been winning games mate. It tends to have that effect. There didn't seem to be a great spirit when we were collapsing again at Boro or being done at home by Blackburn. It's almost as if positive results bring players together. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 2, 2020 23:09:33 GMT
Rob at the end of the day if O’Neill doesn’t want/rate the pair of them then no matter what we as fans think we have to trust his judgment on the matter.Or as was suggested he’s been told in no uncertain terms they’re leaving no matter what. That's not my point though mate. They're gone. Job done. Results are improving without them, so if it stays that way everyone's probably better off. What I dont understand is the rush from some to stick the boot into the players themselves? We don't know what's gone on or if anything's gone on yet terms like 'wanker' and 'lazy ass' are being bandied about? Yes that’s fair comment mate and unless one of them speaks we never will.O’Neill did say himself his training(Etebo) was ok but no more and I also witnessed McKinlay going apeshit at him for not warming up properly during the Sheff Wed game |
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 2, 2020 23:10:05 GMT
I've blamed every single player we have had all season and the clueless manager we had, not just these two. That said, you cannot deny that since they have been left out we appear to have got better and the spirit of the team has improved. Maybe you can. The spirit has got better because we've been winning games mate. It tends to have that effect. There didn't seem to be a great spirit when we were collapsing again at Boro or being done at home by Blackburn. It's almost as if positive results bring players together. We were losing games and have come back to win them, twice in the last minutes. That doesn't just come from winning a few games. We've still lost a few as well. What was the rush to question the manager before he picked a team? |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 2, 2020 23:32:04 GMT
The spirit has got better because we've been winning games mate. It tends to have that effect. There didn't seem to be a great spirit when we were collapsing again at Boro or being done at home by Blackburn. It's almost as if positive results bring players together. We were losing games and have come back to win them, twice in the last minutes. That doesn't just come from winning a few games. We've still lost a few as well. What was the rush to question the manager before he picked a team? The decision to leave Badou out for the Barnsley game was questioned because prior to that he’d been just about our best player and the alternatives to his position are few and far between. The questioning ratcheted up after that because he was picking a powder puff midfield of Allen, Clucas and Woods that proceeded to get absolutely diddled in subsequent games. There are still question marks over the midfield generally but he was rightly praised when results and performances turned. What’s the problem? |
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 2, 2020 23:36:09 GMT
We were losing games and have come back to win them, twice in the last minutes. That doesn't just come from winning a few games. We've still lost a few as well. What was the rush to question the manager before he picked a team? The decision to leave Badou out for the Barnsley game was questioned because prior to that he’d been just about our best player and the alternatives to his position are few and far between. The questioning ratcheted up after that because he was picking a powder puff midfield of Allen, Clucas and Woods that proceeded to get absolutely diddled in subsequent games. There are still question marks over the midfield generally but he was rightly praised when results and performances turned. What’s the problem? My problem is that his commitment was questioned the second the ink was dry on his contract based on not very much at all. That is distasteful. There are question marks over the entire squad not just midfield. He has inherited a shit show. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 2, 2020 23:42:03 GMT
The decision to leave Badou out for the Barnsley game was questioned because prior to that he’d been just about our best player and the alternatives to his position are few and far between. The questioning ratcheted up after that because he was picking a powder puff midfield of Allen, Clucas and Woods that proceeded to get absolutely diddled in subsequent games. There are still question marks over the midfield generally but he was rightly praised when results and performances turned. What’s the problem? My problem is that his commitment was questioned the second the ink was dry on his contract based on not very much at all. That is distasteful. There are question marks over the entire squad not just midfield. He has inherited a shit show. Whose commitment, O’Neill’s? Not by me it wasn’t, I don’t really give a shit about the Northern Ireland thing. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 2, 2020 23:47:32 GMT
Will Etebo pass the medical? Michael has been saying he's ill on and off for a month  |
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Post by Gods on Jan 2, 2020 23:58:49 GMT
Where are we with Etebo?
45 appearances and 2 goals in 1.5 seasons and contracted to Stoke City to June 2023.
'Peak Etebo' seemed to be that World Cup game against Argentina just before he signed which Nigeria ultimately lost but Etebo was a constant thorn in their side just through his determination and mobility.
Will Getafe cough up a fee we might accept in the summer? I kind of doubt it once they have seen him play.
I think he will be back with us in the summer and we will be wondering what the heck to do with him next.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 3, 2020 1:45:23 GMT
Where are we with Etebo? 45 appearances and 2 goals in 1.5 seasons and contracted to Stoke City to June 2023. 'Peak Etebo' seemed to be that World Cup game against Argentina just before he signed which Nigeria ultimately lost but Etebo was a constant thorn in their side just through his determination and mobility. Will Getafe cough up a fee we might accept in the summer? I kind of doubt it once they have seen him play. I think he will be back with us in the summer and we will be wondering what the heck to do with him next. Maybe we'll have offloaded enough high earners by then to be able to afford him again and maybe he'll want to play for us knowing nobody else wants / can afford him. I'm not sure why some people have difficulty understanding this. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 3, 2020 7:35:30 GMT
How do you know that? Do you know what goes on in training? Building a team isn't just about what's on the pitch. Maybe he's great off it as well, maybe the manager doesn't see it. Either way what I saw the other day was a great team performance and that's the first time I've seen it for a long time. We’ve had them on and off during the season. And for the first time in a long time we looked like a team the other day. Long may it continue |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 3, 2020 8:21:05 GMT
Etebo has already been seen at Getafe. Today everyone hopes to make it official
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Post by rawli on Jan 3, 2020 8:32:26 GMT
Sorry to see him go. Always gave his best and looked a good player to me. Given the financial shit show that has been allowed to develop it was inevitable he would go.
Hopefully another nail in the chief executive's coffin. Doubt it though - it must be more nail than wood as it is.
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Post by werrington on Jan 3, 2020 8:40:35 GMT
Why sell when you can loan? What a load of horse piss. The player probably wouldn’t accept the wages they would offer mate so wouldn’t agree the deal The loan option at least stops the club haemorrhaging more money |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 8:42:18 GMT
Why sell when you can loan? What a load of horse piss. The player probably wouldn’t accept the wages they would offer mate so wouldn’t agree the deal The loan option at least stops the club haemorrhaging more money It's just frustrating me Wez that the players we've consumed at an alarming rate we can't get rid of for any decent money. This player was signed after we supposedly learned our lesson when we plainly haven't. It will damage us for many years to come. One or two I could take - every club makes a boner of a signing every now and then - that's life. We've made loads and as I posted somewhere last night, pretty much an entire matchday squads worth. Etebo was supposedly one of our more marketable players. |
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Post by Gods on Jan 3, 2020 8:42:47 GMT
T Shirt weather
More au revoir than goodbye?
He may be back in July wearing out the carpets at Clayton Wood with 3 years left on his contract!
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