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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 19:37:24 GMT
That's it? They're his attributes? Anyone who's followed this game at all should be able to see that he's a skillful and intelligent footballer. But as has been pointed out, he needs a lot of careful accommodating. Probably too much for us, sadly. I fear he might find himself dropped sooner rather than later. Followed what game? Football in general? The Cardiff game? I was in the away end and watched him pass the ball into touch and try to blame Ward, give the ball away from a couple of easy 10 yard passes and moan at his team mates. Pick the ball up in space before shuffling the ball out of his feet and slowing down play if that helps? The usual. I bow to your superior knowledge, but remain of the opinion he’s not a particularly great footballer.....
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Nov 27, 2019 19:50:19 GMT
Post by PotterLog on Nov 27, 2019 19:50:19 GMT
Anyone who's followed this game at all should be able to see that he's a skillful and intelligent footballer. But as has been pointed out, he needs a lot of careful accommodating. Probably too much for us, sadly. I fear he might find himself dropped sooner rather than later. Followed what game? Football in general? The Cardiff game? I was in the away end and watched him pass the ball into touch and try to blame Ward, give the ball away from a couple of easy 10 yard passes and moan at his team mates. Pick the ball up in space before shuffling the ball out of his feet and slowing down play if that helps? The usual. I bow to your superior knowledge, but remain of the opinion he’s not a particularly great footballer..... Football in general I meant. Anyway no bowing necessary but I appreciate the gesture
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Nov 27, 2019 20:10:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 20:10:42 GMT
Followed what game? Football in general? The Cardiff game? I was in the away end and watched him pass the ball into touch and try to blame Ward, give the ball away from a couple of easy 10 yard passes and moan at his team mates. Pick the ball up in space before shuffling the ball out of his feet and slowing down play if that helps? The usual. I bow to your superior knowledge, but remain of the opinion he’s not a particularly great footballer..... Football in general I meant. Anyway no bowing necessary but I appreciate the gesture You like your footballers slow in both the head and over the pitch. Each to their own.....
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Nov 27, 2019 20:15:01 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 20:15:01 GMT
No, he was dropped but still training with the team. He would have eligible for the next chopped and changed team or the one after. If he'd been dead as a parrot in Jones' mind, Woods would have been keeping Diouf et al company. He wasn't even making the bench mate. He was in the Diouf realm regardless of who he was training with. He made one of the 10 matchday league squads after PNE. You don't go from being praised to the high heavens for your first two starts to not even on the bench for months on end if nothing's gone on. I never said he was (that's the ageold problem of having 25+ players and only 11-14 play). He was even in the u-23s a couple of games. But he was training full on and part of the in crowd, if you like. Mame was essentially training by himself, which is very difficult for a social person, like he is. Some people can motivate themselves, such as Bojan, the regime he sent himself through made me unsubscribe from social media, it really looked over the top. On the other hand Diouf did not go through any self training, as you can see by the state he's in, he's overweight and can only play 10 minutes per week at the moment. That's what Woods would have looked like too if he'd been in the bomb squad. He wasn't; he was just one the 7-8 players out, who were part of the 25+ players in the training squad, but not a part of the 18 man matchday squad. What happened is a lot simpler than your perceived drama. Jones finally realised he couldn't use Woods as a defensive lynchpin and, having no use for him in central midfield (better players available), dropped him from the team, but not from the squad. O'Neill will reach the same conclusion, the sooner the better. And then what?
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Nov 27, 2019 20:20:24 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 27, 2019 20:20:24 GMT
I thought Woods and Ndiaye were excellent despite the defeat Footballers they hate em on here ......more engines please, up and down up and down, huff and puff huff and puff Trouble with that statement is that Woods isn't a footballer of any note. He's shite. He's a bit shite in fairness. Not completely. Like a lot of our squad. Just how many players have we got that are in this category..? Smith Lindsay Ward Collins Vokes Batth Allen Gregory Butland Powell Ince Any more?
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Nov 27, 2019 20:24:49 GMT
Post by PotterLog on Nov 27, 2019 20:24:49 GMT
Football in general I meant. Anyway no bowing necessary but I appreciate the gesture You like your footballers slow in both the head and over the pitch. Each to their own..... You're looking for a fight where there isn't one. You implied he has no attributes, I simply said that he does. That doesn't mean I'm his #1 fan or even that I think he should be in the team. I acknowledged that he takes a lot of accommodating (due to his weaknesses - slowness and a tendency to dwell on the ball being among them, although that's at least in part due to those playing around him), and I have doubts that we're in a position to do that. He might be a luxury we can't afford right now. BUT. Anyone who's followed this game at all should be able to see that he's a skillful and intelligent footballer.
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Nov 27, 2019 20:28:52 GMT
Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 27, 2019 20:28:52 GMT
i like Woods
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2019 20:31:13 GMT
He wasn't even making the bench mate. He was in the Diouf realm regardless of who he was training with. He made one of the 10 matchday league squads after PNE. You don't go from being praised to the high heavens for your first two starts to not even on the bench for months on end if nothing's gone on. I never said he was (that's the ageold problem of having 25+ players and only 11-14 play). He was even in the u-23s a couple of games. But he was training full on and part of the in crowd, if you like. Mame was essentially training by himself, which is very difficult for a social person, like he is. Some people can motivate themselves, such as Bojan, the regime he sent himself through made me unsubscribe from social media, it really looked over the top. On the other hand Diouf did not go through any self training, as you can see by the state he's in, he's overweight and can only play 10 minutes per week at the moment. That's what Woods would have looked like too if he'd been in the bomb squad. He wasn't; he was just one the 7-8 players out, who were part of the 25+ players in the training squad, but not a part of the 18 man matchday squad. What happened is a lot simpler than your perceived drama. Jones finally realised he couldn't use Woods as a defensive lynchpin and, having no use for him in central midfield (better players available), dropped him from the team, but not from the squad. O'Neill will reach the same conclusion, the sooner the better. And then what? How do you know ‘what happened’? He did drop him from the squad. He didn’t make a match day 18 for nine of his remaining 10 games.
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Nov 27, 2019 20:49:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 20:49:25 GMT
He is a decent on the ball Has a good touch and vision and can pick a pass
So are kante and matic , and they are much stronger in the tackle , which is why they play in the prem and woods doesn't .
Sometimes ( actually often ! ) I watch Stoke play and I think you could put Steven Gerrard or Frank lampard into this team , and they wouldn't be able, to find anyone to pass to .
Static and plodding players ,make woods look worse than he is .
He will never be as good as kante or matic
But he would be okay , with the odd decent game in a lively team with lots of movement eg wba Leeds etc
He is not the problem
He is the scapegoat
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2019 20:51:27 GMT
He is a decent on the ball Has a good touch and vision and can pick a pass So are kante and matic , and they are much stronger in the tackle , which is why they play in the prem and woods doesn't . Sometimes ( actually often ! ) I watch Stoke play and I think you could put Steven Gerrard or Frank lampard into this team , and they wouldn't be able, to find anyone to pass to . Static and plodding players ,make woods look worse than he is . He will never be as good as kante or matic But he would be okay , with the odd decent game in a lively team with lots of movement eg wba Leeds etc He is not the problem He is the scapegoat He also isn’t the same kind of player as Kante or Matic and shouldn’t be expected to play the same role.
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Nov 27, 2019 20:53:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 20:53:01 GMT
He is a decent on the ball Has a good touch and vision and can pick a pass So are kante and matic , and they are much stronger in the tackle , which is why they play in the prem and woods doesn't . Sometimes ( actually often ! ) I watch Stoke play and I think you could put Steven Gerrard or Frank lampard into this team , and they wouldn't be able, to find anyone to pass to . Static and plodding players ,make woods look worse than he is . He will never be as good as kante or matic But he would be okay , with the odd decent game in a lively team with lots of movement eg wba Leeds etc He is not the problem He is the scapegoat He also isn’t the same kind of player as Kante or Matic and shouldn’t be expected to play the same role. Agreed !!
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Nov 27, 2019 20:53:08 GMT
Post by ursemboys on Nov 27, 2019 20:53:08 GMT
Anyone who's followed this game at all should be able to see that he's a skillful and intelligent footballer. But as has been pointed out, he needs a lot of careful accommodating. Probably too much for us, sadly. I fear he might find himself dropped sooner rather than later. Followed what game? Football in general? The Cardiff game? I was in the away end and watched him pass the ball into touch and try to blame Ward, give the ball away from a couple of easy 10 yard passes and moan at his team mates. Pick the ball up in space before shuffling the ball out of his feet and slowing down play if that helps? The usual. I bow to your superior knowledge, but remain of the opinion he’s not a particularly great footballer..... totally agree, I have been saying for ages he is very good at passing the ball sideways or back and then pointing where it needs go, the guy waves his arms around that much we should call him windmill woods , garbage footballer.
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Nov 27, 2019 20:54:16 GMT
Post by JoeinOz on Nov 27, 2019 20:54:16 GMT
The old adage is midfields are made from three types of player. A buzzer, a cruncher, and a spreader. The traditional style of cruncher isn’t so relevant these days but you get the gist. Woodo can be an excellent buzzer. Being available to maintain possession and filling spaces and playing in a sort of supporting role. Michael has to gel the squad to get the best from him and everyone else. From being what looks like a group of individuals cobbled together, becoming a cohesive unit.... particularly in the attacking third where it’s just an ad hoc disjointed shambles.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2019 20:57:32 GMT
The old adage is midfields are made from three types of player. A buzzer, a cruncher, and a spreader. The traditional style of cruncher isn’t so relevant these days but you get the gist. Woodo can be an excellent buzzer. Being available to maintain possession and filling spaces and playing in a sort of supporting role. Michael has to gel the squad to get the best from him and everyone else. From being what looks like a group of individuals cobbled together, becoming a cohesive unit.... particularly in the attacking third where it’s just an ad hoc disjointed shambles. He’s a spreader I think Joe. He isn’t mobile enough to be a buzzer. We’ve got enough buzzers as it is.
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Nov 27, 2019 20:58:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 20:58:59 GMT
He is not going to anchor a four man midfield and protect the back four
In a different set up , he could switch the play , hit useful passes , that are not assists but set someone on their way
But do we need someone like that ?
He is yet another player signed for a role that doesn't really exist at the club
But if he got a move to a club that he needs him
He could do well
He is not sh*t
He is decent
But has signed for a club that probably doesnt need him
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2019 21:01:29 GMT
He is not going to anchor a four man midfield and protect the back four In a different set up , he could switch the play , hit useful passes , that are not assists but set someone on their way But do we need someone like that ? He is yet another player signed for a role that doesn't really exist at the club But if he got a move to a club that he needs him He could do well He is not sh*t He is decent But has signed for a club that probably doesnt need him I agree with all that except I don’t see why we wouldn’t need a player like that?
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Nov 27, 2019 21:01:45 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 27, 2019 21:01:45 GMT
The old adage is midfields are made from three types of player. A buzzer, a cruncher, and a spreader. The traditional style of cruncher isn’t so relevant these days but you get the gist. Woodo can be an excellent buzzer. Being available to maintain possession and filling spaces and playing in a sort of supporting role. Michael has to gel the squad to get the best from him and everyone else. From being what looks like a group of individuals cobbled together, becoming a cohesive unit.... particularly in the attacking third where it’s just an ad hoc disjointed shambles. He’s a spreader I think Joe. He isn’t mobile enough to be a buzzer. We’ve got enough buzzers as it is. He couldn't spread Marmite. Joe Allen is the problem. He's undroppable.. And until this manager has the balls to do it we will carry on with this dysfunctional midfield.
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Nov 27, 2019 21:03:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 21:03:12 GMT
Feel sorry for woods Allen badou etebo
They are not bad players
But they are playing in a side , where at his peak , Frank lampard would have struggled to have found anyone to pass too
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Nov 27, 2019 21:04:21 GMT
Post by JoeinOz on Nov 27, 2019 21:04:21 GMT
The old adage is midfields are made from three types of player. A buzzer, a cruncher, and a spreader. The traditional style of cruncher isn’t so relevant these days but you get the gist. Woodo can be an excellent buzzer. Being available to maintain possession and filling spaces and playing in a sort of supporting role. Michael has to gel the squad to get the best from him and everyone else. From being what looks like a group of individuals cobbled together, becoming a cohesive unit.... particularly in the attacking third where it’s just an ad hoc disjointed shambles. He’s a spreader I think Joe. He isn’t mobile enough to be a buzzer. We’ve got enough buzzers as it is. His long passing isn’t good enough.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2019 21:05:56 GMT
He’s a spreader I think Joe. He isn’t mobile enough to be a buzzer. We’ve got enough buzzers as it is. His long passing isn’t good enough. I think it’s better that he gets credit for. He certainly isn’t quick enough or energetic enough to be a buzzer imo.
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Nov 27, 2019 21:06:55 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 27, 2019 21:06:55 GMT
The old adage is midfields are made from three types of player. A buzzer, a cruncher, and a spreader. The traditional style of cruncher isn’t so relevant these days but you get the gist. Woodo can be an excellent buzzer. Being available to maintain possession and filling spaces and playing in a sort of supporting role. Michael has to gel the squad to get the best from him and everyone else. From being what looks like a group of individuals cobbled together, becoming a cohesive unit.... particularly in the attacking third where it’s just an ad hoc disjointed shambles. The old adage from for example the seventies was a creative midfielder with a destroyer/workhorse. Like Hudson and Mahoney for example. Two wide ish / winger midfielders and a deep lying inside forward.
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Nov 27, 2019 21:14:31 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 27, 2019 21:14:31 GMT
The old adage is midfields are made from three types of player. A buzzer, a cruncher, and a spreader. The traditional style of cruncher isn’t so relevant these days but you get the gist. Woodo can be an excellent buzzer. Being available to maintain possession and filling spaces and playing in a sort of supporting role. Michael has to gel the squad to get the best from him and everyone else. From being what looks like a group of individuals cobbled together, becoming a cohesive unit.... particularly in the attacking third where it’s just an ad hoc disjointed shambles. The old adage from for example the seventies was a creative midfielder with a destroyer/workhorse. Like Hudson and Mahoney for example. Two wide ish / winger midfielders and a deep lying inside forward. Yep. Although now, whatever the main role, all players have to have elements of those attributes.
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Nov 27, 2019 21:15:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 21:15:26 GMT
He is a decent on the ball Has a good touch and vision and can pick a pass So are kante and matic , and they are much stronger in the tackle , which is why they play in the prem and woods doesn't . Sometimes ( actually often ! ) I watch Stoke play and I think you could put Steven Gerrard or Frank lampard into this team , and they wouldn't be able, to find anyone to pass to . Static and plodding players ,make woods look worse than he is . He will never be as good as kante or matic But he would be okay , with the odd decent game in a lively team with lots of movement eg wba Leeds etc He is not the problem He is the scapegoat He picked out the ball boys with a couple of crackers last night....
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Nov 27, 2019 21:19:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 21:19:51 GMT
I’m trying to think of a game where he’s threaded a pass between the lines of the opposition, and I can’t.
Sideways, backwards, sideways, backwards.....
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Nov 27, 2019 21:32:54 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 27, 2019 21:32:54 GMT
I’m trying to think of a game where he’s threaded a pass between the lines of the opposition, and I can’t. Sideways, backwards, sideways, backwards..... I agree. I think he is a product of the modern game actually... a supposedly "holding" midfielder who cannot tackle and can only keep the ball moving with short, safe passes. Glenn Whelan was the same but had an ability to break up play and keep disciplined. A poster mentioned Grealish and comparing him to Hudson. These type of players in midfield have the ability to go past players with a swerve or change of direction that opens the game up. We haven't got one of those type of players in midfield. Or a player that can execute a defence splitting pass. Michael hopefully will sort out some sort of formation with players at his disposal
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Nov 27, 2019 22:01:19 GMT
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Post by sensiblestokie on Nov 27, 2019 22:01:19 GMT
The type of player he is can definitely do a job in defensive midfield. It’s literally just who’s alongside him, if he’s the only one doing the defending, then it becomes an issue. In what way, he isn't strong enough and doesn't put a tackle in? I mean it’s not hard to see, look at Jorginho at Chelsea playing deep. He’s a very good passer of the ball and good in possession. A lot of teams wanted him when he was at Brentford he doesn’t suddenly become bad because he’s playing here. He’s a good player.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2019 22:18:03 GMT
In what way, he isn't strong enough and doesn't put a tackle in? I mean it’s not hard to see, look at Jorginho at Chelsea playing deep. He’s a very good passer of the ball and good in possession. A lot of teams wanted him when he was at Brentford he doesn’t suddenly become bad because he’s playing here. He’s a good player. Jorginho has Kante and Kovacic who are more mobile and combative and give him protection though. That’s what Woods needs.
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Nov 27, 2019 22:57:33 GMT
Post by pushon on Nov 27, 2019 22:57:33 GMT
I've not read the whole thread but my opinion of Woods is: Can hardly run, weeaakkk in the tackle, only passes forward occasionaly and farts around with the ball sometimes as though he's a proper footballer.... £6mill? not very well spent😕
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Nov 28, 2019 0:35:59 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 0:35:59 GMT
I never said he was (that's the ageold problem of having 25+ players and only 11-14 play). He was even in the u-23s a couple of games. But he was training full on and part of the in crowd, if you like. Mame was essentially training by himself, which is very difficult for a social person, like he is. Some people can motivate themselves, such as Bojan, the regime he sent himself through made me unsubscribe from social media, it really looked over the top. On the other hand Diouf did not go through any self training, as you can see by the state he's in, he's overweight and can only play 10 minutes per week at the moment. That's what Woods would have looked like too if he'd been in the bomb squad. He wasn't; he was just one the 7-8 players out, who were part of the 25+ players in the training squad, but not a part of the 18 man matchday squad. What happened is a lot simpler than your perceived drama. Jones finally realised he couldn't use Woods as a defensive lynchpin and, having no use for him in central midfield (better players available), dropped him from the team, but not from the squad. O'Neill will reach the same conclusion, the sooner the better. And then what? How do you know ‘what happened’? He did drop him from the squad. He didn’t make a match day 18 for nine of his remaining 10 games. I know exactly as much about it as you do. Now we even seem to agree that Jones dropped Woods from the matchday squads, and so you finally agree that Jones did not send Woods to the, by then, almost extinct bomb squad, since most of its original "members" Berahino, Pieters, Bojan, Imbula, Wimmer, and Bauer had more or less happily moved along. Only Diouf and N'goy (unless I'm forgetting someone) remained, training by themselves, which was a huge mistake.
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Nov 28, 2019 0:39:28 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 0:39:28 GMT
I mean it’s not hard to see, look at Jorginho at Chelsea playing deep. He’s a very good passer of the ball and good in possession. A lot of teams wanted him when he was at Brentford he doesn’t suddenly become bad because he’s playing here. He’s a good player. Jorginho has Kante and Kovacic who are more mobile and combative and give him protection though. That’s what Woods needs. You'll have to start a major funds collection pronto if Kante and Kovacic is what Woods needs...
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