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Woods
Nov 27, 2019 9:27:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 9:27:23 GMT
So you play him alongside a footballer who has all the attributes he doesn't have. Him and Badou would be excellent together with Powell behind Gregory/Diouf or Clucas as the spare man in a three. Powell gives you the flexibility to push him further forward or swap to a front two with minimal disruption and Clucas gives you a genuine outlet from midfield. What are these attributes he has? I take it my assumption that you don't rate him is spot on?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 9:31:55 GMT
What are these attributes he has? I take it my assumption that you don't rate him is spot on? Not a fan no. I keep hearing these "metronome", "makes us tick", "playmaker" arguments. He's a player who always takes a split second too long on the ball, receives it, moves out it out of his feet, lays the ball off and kills the momentum. He's made 0.3 decisive passes per game currently this season, 87% passing accuracy but it's slow, laboured and generally backwards/sideways. The Spurs ballboy probably has more career assist than Woods. Yes I get he's not a straight up defensive midfielder, but he brings nothing to the party as far as I'm concerned. What do you think his attributes are?
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Woods
Nov 27, 2019 9:38:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 9:38:53 GMT
I take it my assumption that you don't rate him is spot on? Not a fan no. I keep hearing these "metronome", "makes us tick", "playmaker" arguments. He's a player who always takes a split second too long on the ball, receives it, moves out it out of his feet, lays the ball off and kills the momentum. He's made 0.3 decisive passes per game currently this season, 87% passing accuracy but it's slow, laboured and generally backwards/sideways. The Spurs ballboy probably has more career assist than Woods. Yes I get he's not a straight up defensive midfielder, but he brings nothing to the party as far as I'm concerned. What do you think his attributes are? He's potentially a metronome that makes us tick.
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Post by pez75 on Nov 27, 2019 9:49:22 GMT
He's fucking shit.
Glenn Whelan without a tackle. Needs seven touches to move the ball and can't pick a pass further than 5 yds. Shits himself when pressed and ussually gives the ball away.
The sooner Etebo is fully fit and Woods is back in the bomb squad the better.
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Post by peekay67 on Nov 27, 2019 10:17:45 GMT
I spoke to Wood's dad in a pub months ago and he was saying he had never played as a defensive midfielder in his life until Stoke. We obviously just don't get the best out of the lad.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Nov 27, 2019 10:33:58 GMT
There's no room for him as long as we have Etebo and Badou. We really do need a proper DM and if we let Badou go in January, I hope we get one.
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Post by neilb987 on Nov 27, 2019 10:49:39 GMT
He's fucking shit. Glenn Whelan without a tackle. Needs seven touches to move the ball and can't pick a pass further than 5 yds. Shits himself when pressed and ussually gives the ball away. The sooner Etebo is fully fit and Woods is back in the bomb squad the better.
Ha! Alan Hudson couldn't tackle either, but he played the deep-lying playmaker role to perfection. NO I'M NOT saying Woods is anywhere near Huddy in quality, but playing him alongside a proper defensive midfielder would make a big difference.
At the moment our problems are mostly in defence and the forwards, not the midfield.
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Post by Veritas on Nov 27, 2019 10:53:45 GMT
He's fucking shit. Glenn Whelan without a tackle. Needs seven touches to move the ball and can't pick a pass further than 5 yds. Shits himself when pressed and ussually gives the ball away. The sooner Etebo is fully fit and Woods is back in the bomb squad the better. Ha! Alan Hudson couldn't tackle either, but he played the deep-lying playmaker role to perfection. NO I'M NOT saying Woods is anywhere near Huddy in quality, but playing him alongside a proper defensive midfielder would make a big difference. At the moment our problems are mostly in defence and the forwards, not the midfield.
I agree the midfield look static because they have no-one making runs for them to pass too, it will be uncomfortable for many on here to accept but we last night missed McLeans energy and willingness to run directly at the defence.
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Woods
Nov 27, 2019 11:09:41 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 11:09:41 GMT
Not a fan no. I keep hearing these "metronome", "makes us tick", "playmaker" arguments. He's a player who always takes a split second too long on the ball, receives it, moves out it out of his feet, lays the ball off and kills the momentum. He's made 0.3 decisive passes per game currently this season, 87% passing accuracy but it's slow, laboured and generally backwards/sideways. The Spurs ballboy probably has more career assist than Woods. Yes I get he's not a straight up defensive midfielder, but he brings nothing to the party as far as I'm concerned. What do you think his attributes are? He's potentially a metronome that makes us tick. That's it? They're his attributes?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2019 11:19:29 GMT
He's potentially a metronome that makes us tick. That's it? That's his attributes? At his best I think he’s shown he can keep the ball well, keep us moving and deliver well from set pieces. He has his weaknesses so we need to play to his strengths by giving him protection and not asking him to be a holding midfielder on his own. Bob Paisley said, and imo it still holds generally true today, that in midfield you need a cruncher, a buzzer and a spreader (steady) and I think he can be an effective spreader, with Badou as the cruncher and probably Etebo as the buzzer.
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Woods
Nov 27, 2019 11:28:52 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 11:28:52 GMT
He's fucking shit. Glenn Whelan without a tackle. Needs seven touches to move the ball and can't pick a pass further than 5 yds. Shits himself when pressed and ussually gives the ball away. The sooner Etebo is fully fit and Woods is back in the bomb squad the better. He was never in the bomb squad under Jones, just not used very often, and there is no new bomb squad under the new management, O'Neill has stated. I agree about his limited scope as a playmaker though.
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Woods
Nov 27, 2019 11:32:24 GMT
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2019 11:32:24 GMT
He's fucking shit. Glenn Whelan without a tackle. Needs seven touches to move the ball and can't pick a pass further than 5 yds. Shits himself when pressed and ussually gives the ball away. The sooner Etebo is fully fit and Woods is back in the bomb squad the better. He was never in the bomb squad under Jones, just not used very often, and there is no new bomb squad under the new management, O'Neill has stated. I agree about his limited scope as a playmaker though. He was definitely in Jones' bomb squad post-Preston.
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Woods
Nov 27, 2019 11:36:24 GMT
Post by pez75 on Nov 27, 2019 11:36:24 GMT
He's fucking shit. Glenn Whelan without a tackle. Needs seven touches to move the ball and can't pick a pass further than 5 yds. Shits himself when pressed and ussually gives the ball away. The sooner Etebo is fully fit and Woods is back in the bomb squad the better. He was never in the bomb squad under Jones, just not used very often, and there is no new bomb squad under the new management, O'Neill has stated. I agree about his limited scope as a playmaker though. He most certainly was in Jones'. Mon can start a new one, cos Woods is membership No1.
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Post by pez75 on Nov 27, 2019 11:50:48 GMT
He's fucking shit. Glenn Whelan without a tackle. Needs seven touches to move the ball and can't pick a pass further than 5 yds. Shits himself when pressed and ussually gives the ball away. The sooner Etebo is fully fit and Woods is back in the bomb squad the better. Ha! Alan Hudson couldn't tackle either, but he played the deep-lying playmaker role to perfection. NO I'M NOT saying Woods is anywhere near Huddy in quality, but playing him alongside a proper defensive midfielder would make a big difference. At the moment our problems are mostly in defence and the forwards, not the midfield.
Totally agree. Etebo, N'Diaye, Allen & Clucas are our best midfielders. No need for Woods unless injuries make us desperate.
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Woods
Nov 27, 2019 11:55:57 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 11:55:57 GMT
That's it? That's his attributes? At his best I think he’s shown he can keep the ball well, keep us moving and deliver well from set pieces. He has his weaknesses so we need to play to his strengths by giving him protection and not asking him to be a holding midfielder on his own. Bob Paisley said, and imo it still holds generally true today, that in midfield you need a cruncher, a buzzer and a spreader (steady) and I think he can be an effective spreader, with Badou as the cruncher and probably Etebo as the buzzer. Between Ndiaye, Etebo, Clucas (and to a lesser extent Allen) O'Neill should be able to find a system that suits without the need for Wood killing our momentum by shuffling the ball out of his feet every time he gets it.....
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Woods
Nov 27, 2019 11:57:43 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 11:57:43 GMT
He was never in the bomb squad under Jones, just not used very often, and there is no new bomb squad under the new management, O'Neill has stated. I agree about his limited scope as a playmaker though. He was definitely in Jones' bomb squad post-Preston. Maybe we differ in the definition of bomb squad. Jones created one after last season with players who by their choice or his choice were not part of the then Stoke future, people like Imbula, Pieters, Bojan, Diouf et al who were all transfer listed. They were not allowed to train with Jones' preferred players. Woods was definitely not a part of these outcasts, and played in four matches in August while the transfer window was still open. It's a fact that Jones did not use him since the game you mention, but I don't recall a public statement that Woods was now persona non grata. He was just another player not being used, but he was match fit when O'Neill came in, having trained with the team, unlike Diouf, who's not match fit, having not trained with pros since even before the bomb squad was created.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2019 11:59:37 GMT
At his best I think he’s shown he can keep the ball well, keep us moving and deliver well from set pieces. He has his weaknesses so we need to play to his strengths by giving him protection and not asking him to be a holding midfielder on his own. Bob Paisley said, and imo it still holds generally true today, that in midfield you need a cruncher, a buzzer and a spreader (steady) and I think he can be an effective spreader, with Badou as the cruncher and probably Etebo as the buzzer. Between Ndiaye, Etebo, Clucas (and to a lesser extent Allen) O'Neill should be able to find a system that suits without the need for Wood killing our momentum by shuffling the ball out of his feet every time he gets it..... I think a lot of the midfielders we have are all too similar. We have too many box to boxers or 'buzzers' and not enough crunchers or spreaders.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 12:51:25 GMT
Between Ndiaye, Etebo, Clucas (and to a lesser extent Allen) O'Neill should be able to find a system that suits without the need for Wood killing our momentum by shuffling the ball out of his feet every time he gets it..... I think a lot of the midfielders we have are all too similar. We have too many box to boxers or 'buzzers' and not enough crunchers or spreaders. Which returns us to never having replaced Whelan, because he was/is both a cruncher and a spreader, even if he was too rarely allowed the latter role with us, but did it/still does it for Eire. From what I've seen internationally of Sorensen, he can do both, but of course for him to do it requires that he actually plays for us.
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Woods
Nov 27, 2019 13:10:46 GMT
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2019 13:10:46 GMT
He was definitely in Jones' bomb squad post-Preston. Maybe we differ in the definition of bomb squad. Jones created one after last season with players who by their choice or his choice were not part of the then Stoke future, people like Imbula, Pieters, Bojan, Diouf et al who were all transfer listed. They were not allowed to train with Jones' preferred players. Woods was definitely not a part of these outcasts, and played in four matches in August while the transfer window was still open. It's a fact that Jones did not use him since the game you mention, but I don't recall a public statement that Woods was now persona non grata. He was just another player not being used, but he was match fit when O'Neill came in, having trained with the team, unlike Diouf, who's not match fit, having not trained with pros since even before the bomb squad was created. You often don't get a public statement though, you're just left to read between the lines. He clearly was persona non grata after Preston, wasn't he?
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Woods
Nov 27, 2019 13:55:57 GMT
Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 27, 2019 13:55:57 GMT
Why he has never managed in this country let alone this league the one above or the two below . By his own admission he was saying at Barnsley when will it slow down after 20 mins . He is on a massive learning curve and journey man Neil Harris just taught him a painful lesson in shape purpose and organisation performance wise he was a minute away from 1 point from Wigan and Cardiff The dead cat bounce is well underway If we put out Cardiff's performance at home against a team in the relegation zone, win or not, there'd be a shit load of criticism from the fans. As for "one minute away from 1 point from Wigan and Cardiff" - seriously fuck off on that one! Again, so much criticism of our lack of late goals to change the result. We do - and you're using that against him. Dead cat bounce...after his first defeat, away. As for testing different players in different roles - yeh probably. It's his third game. Most managers continue to try new things with players - let alone a new manager trying to find the best formation and player to fit. But - no, that's coz he's never managed in this country. We did put out Cardiff’s performance quality wise against Wigan and got away with It , with people. Talking of promotion , I’m simply saying I’m not blinded by a later winner the last two performances have Been poor and I see no signs of improvement and I fear after 4 games he will mirror jones last 4 .
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Woods
Nov 27, 2019 14:56:40 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 14:56:40 GMT
Maybe we differ in the definition of bomb squad. Jones created one after last season with players who by their choice or his choice were not part of the then Stoke future, people like Imbula, Pieters, Bojan, Diouf et al who were all transfer listed. They were not allowed to train with Jones' preferred players. Woods was definitely not a part of these outcasts, and played in four matches in August while the transfer window was still open. It's a fact that Jones did not use him since the game you mention, but I don't recall a public statement that Woods was now persona non grata. He was just another player not being used, but he was match fit when O'Neill came in, having trained with the team, unlike Diouf, who's not match fit, having not trained with pros since even before the bomb squad was created. You often don't get a public statement though, you're just left to read between the lines. He clearly was persona non grata after Preston, wasn't he? The Real Bombsquad was very much "outed" in the local press, and even in some obscure quarters of the international press. Not one of Jones' better decisions, not one that cost him the job, but it probably lost him a lot of goodwill within and outside the club. He certainly lost a lot of credibility with me, not that he had much in the first place. I was angered at seeing loyal club servants like Diouf, and to some extent, Bojan, treated as outcasts. I was more understanding of Berahino treated that way. But as I already said, Woods continued to train with the first team players. The bomb squad, perversely even after the window had closed, didn't.
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Woods
Nov 27, 2019 15:10:57 GMT
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2019 15:10:57 GMT
You often don't get a public statement though, you're just left to read between the lines. He clearly was persona non grata after Preston, wasn't he? The Real Bombsquad was very much "outed" in the local press, and even in some obscure quarters of the international press. Not one of Jones' better decisions, not one that cost him the job, but it probably lost him a lot of goodwill within and outside the club. He certainly lost a lot of credibility with me, not that he had much in the first place. I was angered at seeing loyal club servants like Diouf, and to some extent, Bojan, treated as outcasts. I was more understanding of Berahino treated that way. But as I already said, Woods continued to train with the first team players. The bomb squad, perversely even after the window had closed, didn't. Whatever the semantics, he was dead to Jones post-Preston.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 15:46:51 GMT
The Real Bombsquad was very much "outed" in the local press, and even in some obscure quarters of the international press. Not one of Jones' better decisions, not one that cost him the job, but it probably lost him a lot of goodwill within and outside the club. He certainly lost a lot of credibility with me, not that he had much in the first place. I was angered at seeing loyal club servants like Diouf, and to some extent, Bojan, treated as outcasts. I was more understanding of Berahino treated that way. But as I already said, Woods continued to train with the first team players. The bomb squad, perversely even after the window had closed, didn't. Whatever the semantics, he was dead to Jones post-Preston. No, he was dropped but still training with the team. He would have eligible for the next chopped and changed team or the one after. If he'd been dead as a parrot in Jones' mind, Woods would have been keeping Diouf et al company.
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Woods
Nov 27, 2019 16:01:39 GMT
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2019 16:01:39 GMT
Whatever the semantics, he was dead to Jones post-Preston. No, he was dropped but still training with the team. He would have eligible for the next chopped and changed team or the one after. If he'd been dead as a parrot in Jones' mind, Woods would have been keeping Diouf et al company. He wasn't even making the bench mate. He was in the Diouf realm regardless of who he was training with. He made one of the 10 matchday league squads after PNE. You don't go from being praised to the high heavens for your first two starts to not even on the bench for months on end if nothing's gone on.
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Woods
Nov 27, 2019 16:29:08 GMT
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Post by sensiblestokie on Nov 27, 2019 16:29:08 GMT
The type of player he is can definitely do a job in defensive midfield. It’s literally just who’s alongside him, if he’s the only one doing the defending, then it becomes an issue.
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Woods
Nov 27, 2019 16:57:30 GMT
Post by PotterLog on Nov 27, 2019 16:57:30 GMT
He's potentially a metronome that makes us tick. That's it? They're his attributes? Anyone who's followed this game at all should be able to see that he's a skillful and intelligent footballer. But as has been pointed out, he needs a lot of careful accommodating. Probably too much for us, sadly. I fear he might find himself dropped sooner rather than later.
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Woods
Nov 27, 2019 17:12:33 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 17:12:33 GMT
Here we go again Lose one game ,limit the home side to very few chances and the tone of this board changes and the doubting of the manager starts again I’m sure the manager can see what we lack and what is needed For once give him time to deal with the problems For me I thought the problems were in lacking a goalscorer and more quality from the more forward midfielders and front three, not Woods particularly Jones for some really odd reason was allowed masses of time. Must have been the passion and being a very nice man that did it.
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Woods
Nov 27, 2019 19:07:46 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 27, 2019 19:07:46 GMT
I thought Woods and Ndiaye were excellent despite the defeat Footballers they hate em on here ......more engines please, up and down up and down, huff and puff huff and puff Thats pretty much what woods does, huff and puff and nothing comes of it, for a player thats meant to create he doesn't create much.
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Woods
Nov 27, 2019 19:13:29 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 27, 2019 19:13:29 GMT
The type of player he is can definitely do a job in defensive midfield. It’s literally just who’s alongside him, if he’s the only one doing the defending, then it becomes an issue. In what way, he isn't strong enough and doesn't put a tackle in?
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Woods
Nov 27, 2019 19:18:20 GMT
Post by Pugsley on Nov 27, 2019 19:18:20 GMT
I thought Woods and Ndiaye were excellent despite the defeat Footballers they hate em on here ......more engines please, up and down up and down, huff and puff huff and puff Trouble with that statement is that Woods isn't a footballer of any note. He's shite.
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