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Jones out
Aug 31, 2019 17:31:33 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 31, 2019 17:31:33 GMT
Was there today.
The thing that stood out the most, other than how utterly shite we are in every area, was the end.
Total total ambivalence.
No one really seemed arsed.
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Jones out
Aug 31, 2019 17:36:38 GMT
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Post by wilcopotter on Aug 31, 2019 17:36:38 GMT
I think the I did well at Luton record is starting to run out. It’s start to remind me of Lambert and the I won. Champions League medal. Talking is over, he Neto win gayfast, if time hasn’t run out already.
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Post by RAF on Aug 31, 2019 17:52:23 GMT
You have to wonder how he did so well at Luton? He obviously isn't fucking clueless but something is very very wrong with the club from top to bottom and those overpaid shitfucks on the pitch need to be held accountable as well they are a fucking disgrace! Fuck knows how he will turn this round if he doesnt get the bullet. H We can blame the recruitment, the players, decisions but any manager has to assume full responsibility He chose the team today, the formation, the tactics and once again he has failed I was all for giving him to Christmas but I'd say we'd be in the record books by then and beyond resurrection Absolutely he is the one who ultimately picks the team and the tactics and he's not delivered again. There is however something broken at the club from the very top and it's so fucking obvious it's laughable. H
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 31, 2019 17:56:21 GMT
The problem is exactly a lack of effort, with the exception of Gregory the lot of them are bone idol wasters stealing a living. He looks and sounds a broken man 😎
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Jones out
Aug 31, 2019 17:57:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 17:57:51 GMT
Was there today. The thing that stood out the most, other than how utterly shite we are in every area, was the end. Total total ambivalence. No one really seemed arsed. What struck me was when the team sheet was released and the puzzled looks on people’s faces in the concourse. The apathy seemed to start then. It was weird.
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Jones out
Aug 31, 2019 17:59:12 GMT
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Post by march4 on Aug 31, 2019 17:59:12 GMT
Fuck off its psychological it's nothing to do with jones And TP would sort it out in milliseconds.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 31, 2019 18:00:55 GMT
Was there today. The thing that stood out the most, other than how utterly shite we are in every area, was the end. Total total ambivalence. No one really seemed arsed. Noticed that against Leeds last week, no one seemed arsed enough to even boo anymore.
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Post by eyeonebob on Aug 31, 2019 18:01:10 GMT
The problem is exactly a lack of effort, with the exception of Gregory the lot of them are bone idol wasters stealing a living. He looks and sounds a broken man 😎 He's pissed God of at some point. Even the Lord won't help him.
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Post by andyb on Aug 31, 2019 18:01:15 GMT
Just had a look at the current Championship table. We have scored 6 goals so far this season and are bottom with one point.
Birmingham have also scored 6 goals but are 9th from the top on ten points with 3 other teams competing for a play-off spot!
Conclusion: Just two suggestions,
a) I don't care whether we play the diamond shape, hexagonal shape, square, rectangular in a circle or a semi circle shape etc, when the other team has the ball then every player should become a defender.
b) I don't care if Tyrese Campbell “can't play for 90 minutes” he has the speed and ability to take on any defender in this league, can score goals, lay on chances for others and therefore should play every game.
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Jones out
Aug 31, 2019 18:02:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 18:02:19 GMT
I think the I did well at Luton record is starting to run out. It’s start to remind me of Lambert and the I won. Champions League medal. Talking is over, he Neto win gayfast, if time hasn’t run out already. Whadda ya mean, he Neto win gayfast?
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Jones out
Aug 31, 2019 18:04:05 GMT
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Post by eyeonebob on Aug 31, 2019 18:04:05 GMT
I think the I did well at Luton record is starting to run out. It’s start to remind me of Lambert and the I won. Champions League medal. Talking is over, he Neto win gayfast, if time hasn’t run out already. Whadda ya mean, he Neto win gayfast? He means he couldn't win a bum full of men in a bankrupt supermarket. Down the cheap ailse.
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Jones out
Aug 31, 2019 18:04:17 GMT
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Post by telfordstokie on Aug 31, 2019 18:04:17 GMT
You can analyse it for hours but the harsh truth is that he’s come into a bad situation and made it much worse.
‘Only’ six games in but I’d genuinely be delighted if we manage to stay up this year. 50 points looks a long, long way away.
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Post by generationex on Aug 31, 2019 18:04:30 GMT
I can’t get over this - after half a season, then a full pre season he starts Afobe. He’s loaned out 3 days later.
If he’s the main man in week one how can he be surplus to requirements by week two?
It set the template for the chaos that’s followed and makes it really hard to believe he’s got any sort of plan.
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Post by eyeonebob on Aug 31, 2019 18:07:54 GMT
You can analyse it for hours but the harsh truth is that he’s come into a bad situation and made it much worse. ‘Only’ six games in but I’d genuinely be delighted if we manage to stay up this year. 50 points looks a long, long way away. Not a chance of 50 points going on current form. We'd be lucky if we get enough for a driving ban.
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Jones out
Aug 31, 2019 18:09:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 18:09:08 GMT
I can’t get over this - after half a season, then a full pre season he starts Afobe. He’s loaned out 3 days later. If he’s the main man in week one how can he be surplus to requirements by week two? It set the template for the chaos that’s followed and makes it really hard to believe he’s got any sort of plan. There's a complete lack of any joined-up thinking from the manager, and some of our players are frankly, utterwank. We're fucked if he doesn't find a way to arrest this soon. And he won't do it (imo) by picking formations, tactics, and players out of a hat.
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Post by Billybigbollox on Aug 31, 2019 18:17:28 GMT
Sorry, but he’s got to go. We will go down if we keep him. Unfortunately, I think you're right. Problem is, although his replacement could do better defensively (playing proper full-backs for a start) there just isn't enough goals in this squad. Absolutely. We have failed to sign players in various positions that we have needed for 6 or 7 windows now. Striker and left back being just 2. I fear that whoever comes in may struggle to get a lot out of this shambles of a team, but one thing is for sure. Jones can’t.
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Post by solidsoulja on Aug 31, 2019 18:21:46 GMT
Feel sorry for the guy but there are levels in this game - We have sold premier league players and replaced them with lower league players and wonder why were in this situation. Had we signed any up and coming stars from lower leagues then fine, but we haven't? we've signed players at this level and even lower. How many of this squad could compete in the premier league?
And it's all well and good saying the attitude of the players we've signed isnt right. But its rather strange just how many have these "bad attitudes". The job of a manager is to work with what you have and improve performances. surely its the easiest job in the world to say, give him time and let him get rid of all the bad eggs and bring in good ones. That's not being a good manager is it? the best managers get a tune out of players with the worse attitude.. That used to be what stoke city was about. It was a home for the broken player to rebuild their career. That era has well and truly gone.
As soon as you loose a core DNA of a dressing room and a central authority, it all goes to shit. We bought in too many players and let too many senior players go. Now we have a strange mix of 3 previous managers panic buys. Their will be 0 unity within that squad, they have played together for what, less than 12 months in total together? They wont truly care about the club or the other players.
Nathan Jones is under-qualified for this job, anybody that thinks not has never been part of an adult dressing room within a sport. How toxic it can become, everyone thinks there better, wants to play higher, has an opinion on how the team should play etc. And who's Nathan Jones to tell them? hes managed Luton in league 1? why wouldn't Ndaiye think, I've won the Turkish league and played in the champions league mate, what can you tell me?
You either have respect that follows you or you have to earn it. earning it from the bottom takes a very long time, and sadly for him, he was on his way with Luton. I have no doubt he would have done a great job there. But its a different job that needs doing here. We need someone that can
A - Manage prima donna's even though most have gone. B - Has some seniority about them at a top level - C - Doesn't have too much to prove, stops them being so stubborn. D - Can command respect due to what they have achieved E - Ruthless with the attitude of players.
And if you want a manager like this then you have to pay them and attract them, and I don't think we can now because of the poor choices we made.
People can moan about moyes/allardyce even a bruce all they want, there is a reason why there are is a carousel of these managers. They can bring stability to a club. And then you can look to push on.
Anyone that moans about a Pulis return, again. HOW? the most successful manager we have had in recent time, not a long term strategy but you would rather watch THIS than for someone to bring stability back to the team? blows my mind. Its clearly emotion overriding logic
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Post by march4 on Aug 31, 2019 18:24:15 GMT
I never thought i would say these words but it`s time to bring Tony Pulis back to resurrect this club before we sink into oblivion. I’d take oblivion instead of TP, we’ve served that sentence two times already, his brand of football is a dying breed. Sorry, mate you couldn’t be more wrong. This is the man who took us from our last crisis when Quitter left and took us to the Prem and an FA Cup final. I would sign up for a repeat of that every day of the week.
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Post by march4 on Aug 31, 2019 18:26:30 GMT
Pulis ain't coming back while Scholes is at the club, it's that simple. I fail to see a single reason why Tony would be let go either... Simple solution there, mate.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 31, 2019 18:27:35 GMT
I can’t get over this - after half a season, then a full pre season he starts Afobe. He’s loaned out 3 days later. If he’s the main man in week one how can he be surplus to requirements by week two? It set the template for the chaos that’s followed and makes it really hard to believe he’s got any sort of plan. Because we booed Afobe so much after one game he knew he had be sent away.
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Jones out
Aug 31, 2019 18:28:46 GMT
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Post by march4 on Aug 31, 2019 18:28:46 GMT
I wonder when the announcement will be made.
Monday morning?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 31, 2019 18:29:15 GMT
The problem is exactly a lack of effort, with the exception of Gregory the lot of them are bone idol wasters stealing a living. He looks and sounds a broken man 😎 A cracked polystyrene man, who just crumbles, and burns.
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Post by cyprus1stokey on Aug 31, 2019 18:29:32 GMT
I think what we fail to remember is that he has been here since January. its not just six games, his record is abysmal!! anyone else would have been axed on his last terms results alone. I thought he would be fine but it is quite obvious he is way out of depth. How did he come up with that team, after tuesdays result, beggers belief. Nathan, Thanks but no thanks.
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Post by mcw on Aug 31, 2019 18:29:46 GMT
Got to go i’m afraid. Think it will work out sometime and somewhere else for him. He has lacked the courage of his convictions (the diamond) and tinkered his way into this situation. He could have no regrets if he has stuck with his formation and a core of 7/8 players each week and the results were the same. However he is going to look back on this period with many regrets- panicking and changing team formations and players like a lottery, not allowing any familiarity to breed in the team and not rewarding players who have done well with a start until they lose their shirt, allowing outside opinion and player profile cloud eggar he should be seeing in training each week (I.e Allen and Butland are off the boil). The players have a responsibility yes, but Christ he hasn’t half ballsed it up himself
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Jones out
Aug 31, 2019 18:31:19 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 31, 2019 18:31:19 GMT
I think Jamo’s tweet sums it up
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 31, 2019 18:31:43 GMT
I can’t get over this - after half a season, then a full pre season he starts Afobe. He’s loaned out 3 days later. If he’s the main man in week one how can he be surplus to requirements by week two? It set the template for the chaos that’s followed and makes it really hard to believe he’s got any sort of plan. Because we booed Afobe so much after one game he knew he had be sent away. Oh dear, we're back on 'it's the fans fault' mantra. Thought is was down to luck?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 18:32:39 GMT
I wonder when the announcement will be made. Monday morning? No rumours of it yet, he didn't speak after the game like a man concerned for his job immediately.
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Jones out
Aug 31, 2019 18:37:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 18:37:00 GMT
I would sign up for a repeat of that every day of the week. We had amazing times under him yes, but a third coming? I don’t think so. TP has too much history here, we need to move forwards not backwards, bringing back a manager rarely works out, better to start with a clean slate. Things turned sour at the end of his tenure and it will never be the same as it was, you should move on. I want to see a manager playing exciting football, willing to give youth a chance rather than premier league has beens, and going out to win games, not scrape a 0-0 or to minimise the defeat. I watch football for the enjoyment and someone really needs to bring the enjoyment back to Stoke, it feels like we haven’t had any for 3+ seasons now.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 31, 2019 18:39:11 GMT
Because we booed Afobe so much after one game he knew he had be sent away. Oh dear, we're back on 'it's the fans fault' mantra. Thought is was down to luck? I was talking about Afobe. Thought that was obvious. We booed him off after one game, then he gets sent out on loan. If you see no connection between those two events then fair enough but I think that answered the poster's question.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 31, 2019 18:43:50 GMT
Scour the bottom half of all the top euro leagues and top of the second tiers - there must be someone with a half decent record......
Or a free agent such as QSF..........
[note to Admin Gestapo - don’t delete this time]
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