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Jones out
Aug 31, 2019 18:44:14 GMT
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 31, 2019 18:44:14 GMT
Hes in good company then with the shit house fuckin players we ‘employ’ If you want the true definition of fraud, look what runs ( in its loosest term) around in a red and white Stoke top on a Saturday afternoon
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 31, 2019 18:46:29 GMT
We have been in worse positions but I am not sure we have ever had a manager who has had such bad results with the resource sJones has relative to most managers in this division. He has chosen to do without Pieters, Afobe, Bruno to now and Diouf, all of whom would improve today’s side and then signed 12 players, only 5 of whom started. He has an England goalie, Dutch centre back, 2 of the best players in the African Nations, other internationals and players who have performed at this level and above and can’t get a coherent performance out of them. Add to this his public relations disasters and you would have to say at this point he has a strong claim to be the club’s worst ever manager. I thought he was a good choice and want him to succeed but it looks some way of currently
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Jones out
Aug 31, 2019 18:47:42 GMT
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Post by march4 on Aug 31, 2019 18:47:42 GMT
Feel sorry for the guy but there are levels in this game - We have sold premier league players and replaced them with lower league players and wonder why were in this situation. Had we signed any up and coming stars from lower leagues then fine, but we haven't? we've signed players at this level and even lower. How many of this squad could compete in the premier league? And it's all well and good saying the attitude of the players we've signed isnt right. But its rather strange just how many have these "bad attitudes". The job of a manager is to work with what you have and improve performances. surely its the easiest job in the world to say, give him time and let him get rid of all the bad eggs and bring in good ones. That's not being a good manager is it? the best managers get a tune out of players with the worse attitude.. That used to be what stoke city was about. It was a home for the broken player to rebuild their career. That era has well and truly gone. As soon as you loose a core DNA of a dressing room and a central authority, it all goes to shit. We bought in too many players and let too many senior players go. Now we have a strange mix of 3 previous managers panic buys. Their will be 0 unity within that squad, they have played together for what, less than 12 months in total together? They wont truly care about the club or the other players. Nathan Jones is under-qualified for this job, anybody that thinks not has never been part of an adult dressing room within a sport. How toxic it can become, everyone thinks there better, wants to play higher, has an opinion on how the team should play etc. And who's Nathan Jones to tell them? hes managed Luton in league 1? why wouldn't Ndaiye think, I've won the Turkish league and played in the champions league mate, what can you tell me? You either have respect that follows you or you have to earn it. earning it from the bottom takes a very long time, and sadly for him, he was on his way with Luton. I have no doubt he would have done a great job there. But its a different job that needs doing here. We need someone that can A - Manage prima donna's even though most have gone. B - Has some seniority about them at a top level - C - Doesn't have too much to prove, stops them being so stubborn. D - Can command respect due to what they have achieved E - Ruthless with the attitude of players. And if you want a manager like this then you have to pay them and attract them, and I don't think we can now because of the poor choices we made. People can moan about moyes/allardyce even a bruce all they want, there is a reason why there are is a carousel of these managers. They can bring stability to a club. And then you can look to push on. Anyone that moans about a Pulis return, again. HOW? the most successful manager we have had in recent time, not a long term strategy but you would rather watch THIS than for someone to bring stability back to the team? blows my mind. Its clearly emotion overriding logic Excellent post.
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Jones out
Aug 31, 2019 18:49:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 18:49:10 GMT
Feel sorry for the guy but there are levels in this game - We have sold premier league players and replaced them with lower league players and wonder why were in this situation. Had we signed any up and coming stars from lower leagues then fine, but we haven't? we've signed players at this level and even lower. How many of this squad could compete in the premier league? And it's all well and good saying the attitude of the players we've signed isnt right. But its rather strange just how many have these "bad attitudes". The job of a manager is to work with what you have and improve performances. surely its the easiest job in the world to say, give him time and let him get rid of all the bad eggs and bring in good ones. That's not being a good manager is it? the best managers get a tune out of players with the worse attitude.. That used to be what stoke city was about. It was a home for the broken player to rebuild their career. That era has well and truly gone. As soon as you loose a core DNA of a dressing room and a central authority, it all goes to shit. We bought in too many players and let too many senior players go. Now we have a strange mix of 3 previous managers panic buys. Their will be 0 unity within that squad, they have played together for what, less than 12 months in total together? They wont truly care about the club or the other players. Nathan Jones is under-qualified for this job, anybody that thinks not has never been part of an adult dressing room within a sport. How toxic it can become, everyone thinks there better, wants to play higher, has an opinion on how the team should play etc. And who's Nathan Jones to tell them? hes managed Luton in league 1? why wouldn't Ndaiye think, I've won the Turkish league and played in the champions league mate, what can you tell me? You either have respect that follows you or you have to earn it. earning it from the bottom takes a very long time, and sadly for him, he was on his way with Luton. I have no doubt he would have done a great job there. But its a different job that needs doing here. We need someone that can A - Manage prima donna's even though most have gone. B - Has some seniority about them at a top level - C - Doesn't have too much to prove, stops them being so stubborn. D - Can command respect due to what they have achieved E - Ruthless with the attitude of players. And if you want a manager like this then you have to pay them and attract them, and I don't think we can now because of the poor choices we made. People can moan about moyes/allardyce even a bruce all they want, there is a reason why there are is a carousel of these managers. They can bring stability to a club. And then you can look to push on. Anyone that moans about a Pulis return, again. HOW? the most successful manager we have had in recent time, not a long term strategy but you would rather watch THIS than for someone to bring stability back to the team? blows my mind. Its clearly emotion overriding logic Great post. Absolutely spot on.
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Jones out
Aug 31, 2019 18:55:22 GMT
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Post by stokedaft on Aug 31, 2019 18:55:22 GMT
Just about the Post I’ve seen it’s so True
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 18:55:27 GMT
Scour the bottom half of all the top euro leagues and top of the second tiers - there must be someone with a half decent record...... Or a free agent such as QSF.......... [note to Admin Gestapo - don’t delete this time] There's always this guy, and the profile is very in vogue. Was heavily linked to Huddersfield. Got a solid record at Stuttgart and Hamburg but is probably too foreign and too young for where we are now. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannes_Wolf_(football_manager)
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Post by loosestools on Aug 31, 2019 18:56:19 GMT
Its simple for me - he has no gravitas as a manager and the coaching must be poor, results are dismal so the players lose interest as they can see their careers dive bombing, or they are at the end of them anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 18:58:01 GMT
Since FT in the match today I have been waiting, and thinking about when LMH got sacked. Wasn't he summoned to Clayton Wood to see Scholes,straight after the match, and get the bullet? Was it about 8 or 9pm wen the news filtered through that he had gone?
Surely the same process should now be taking place with Nathan Jones. He just has to go. No more "I'll give him two more matches" or whatever figure you have in mind.
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Post by borat on Aug 31, 2019 18:59:50 GMT
Jones out, hes gotta Fucking go.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 18:59:51 GMT
Since FT in the match today I have been waiting, and thinking about when LMH got sacked. Wasn't he summoned to Clayton Wood to see Scholes,straight after the match, and get the bullet? Was it about 8 or 9pm wen the news filtered through that he had gone? Surely the same process should now be taking place with Nathan Jones. He just has to go. No more "I'll give him two more matches" or whatever figure you have in mind. I've not long been to the Athletic Club next to Clayton Wood and there is no sign of any players or managers. The Team bus is still there with staff unloading kit etc. Personally, I'd have made the players take the kit off themselves, sort it out and spend the evening washing it after that performance!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 31, 2019 19:02:25 GMT
It's patently clear that we can't stick with Jones then? As a level headed a poster as you'll find on here, what do you think Paul? I think he absolutely has to go immediately. It's going to be hard enough bringing in a reputable replacement as it is but if we were to give him (say) another 3 games and he lost all of those as well, then anybody decent wouldn't touch us with a barge pole, as they know they will have to start with a massive handicap.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 19:02:44 GMT
Since FT in the match today I have been waiting, and thinking about when LMH got sacked. Wasn't he summoned to Clayton Wood to see Scholes,straight after the match, and get the bullet? Was it about 8 or 9pm wen the news filtered through that he had gone? Surely the same process should now be taking place with Nathan Jones. He just has to go. No more "I'll give him two more matches" or whatever figure you have in mind. I've not long been to the Athletic Club next to Clayton Wood and there is no sign of any players or managers. The Team bus is still there with staff unloading kit etc. Personally, I'd have made the players take the kit off themselves, sort it out and spend the evening washing it after that performance! Maybe they are going to fire him from a Bet365 office.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 19:04:02 GMT
I've not long been to the Athletic Club next to Clayton Wood and there is no sign of any players or managers. The Team bus is still there with staff unloading kit etc. Personally, I'd have made the players take the kit off themselves, sort it out and spend the evening washing it after that performance! Maybe they are going to fire him from a Bet365 office. Well I aren't going to Waterworld to drive past and check!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 19:05:10 GMT
As a level headed a poster as you'll find on here, what do you think Paul? I think he absolutely has to go immediately. It's going to be hard enough bringing in a reputable replacement as it is but if we were to give him (say) another 3 games and he lost all of those as well, then anybody decent wouldn't touch us with a barge pole, as they know they were having to start with a massive handicap. I wish people would realise this mate. I'm deeply worried tonight, not just about any potential replacement, but also the fact that the last three managers haven't had a bounce! If we have a fourth then we are 100% going to League One.
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Jones out
Aug 31, 2019 19:09:06 GMT
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Post by steewee on Aug 31, 2019 19:09:06 GMT
I would sign up for a repeat of that every day of the week. , we need to move forwards not backwards, Forwards? I'd prefer to move backwards to being a heated premier League team, getting to FA cup finals and competing in Europe with the best. Not this rubbish.
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Post by Gunslinger on Aug 31, 2019 19:09:55 GMT
Very sorry, NJ, but that was it. It's time for you to seek new challenges somewhere else.
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Jones out
Aug 31, 2019 19:13:06 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 31, 2019 19:13:06 GMT
As a level headed a poster as you'll find on here, what do you think Paul? I think he absolutely has to go immediately. It's going to be hard enough bringing in a reputable replacement as it is but if we were to give him (say) another 3 games and he lost all of those as well, then anybody decent wouldn't touch us with a barge pole, as they know they were having to start with a massive handicap. Another change though so quickly after such a radical “project” appointment. Another new back room and how many of the recent recruits will a new manager want to keep, we'll have another bomb squad. We could end up with Gordon Strachan, I’d stick for another couple of games. His media utterances have been completely bonkers though and he could have no complaints if he was sacked tonight
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Jones out
Aug 31, 2019 19:16:02 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 31, 2019 19:16:02 GMT
We have been in worse positions but I am not sure we have ever had a manager who has had such bad results with the resource sJones has relative to most managers in this division. He has chosen to do without Pieters, Afobe, Bruno to now and Diouf, all of whom would improve today’s side and then signed 12 players, only 5 of whom started. He has an England goalie, Dutch centre back, 2 of the best players in the African Nations, other internationals and players who have performed at this level and above and can’t get a coherent performance out of them. Add to this his public relations disasters and you would have to say at this point he has a strong claim to be the club’s worst ever manager. I thought he was a good choice and want him to succeed but it looks some way of currently I think this sums it up. The players brought in are appalling. The talent that is being squandered around the squad is horrendous. Manage the situation, decide on a formation that suits the players you have. He's done none of this. Bruno and ndiaye are still here, manage the situation, they should be involved and if they don't put the effort in fined. The formation changes every week. I don't think its the players lacking courage, they just aren't organised, although a few Jones brought in should be nowhere near the side
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 31, 2019 19:19:09 GMT
I think he absolutely has to go immediately. It's going to be hard enough bringing in a reputable replacement as it is but if we were to give him (say) another 3 games and he lost all of those as well, then anybody decent wouldn't touch us with a barge pole, as they know they were having to start with a massive handicap. Another change though so quickly after such a radical “project” appointment. Another new back room and how many of the recent recruits will a new manager want to keep, we'll have another bomb squad. We could end up with Gordon Strachan, I’d stick for another couple of games. His media utterances have been completely bonkers though and he could have no complaints if he was sacked tonight I don't think we can wait any longer. We could be cut adrift. We have three out of the next 4 at home, a chance to get a few points on the board. We need a safe experienced pair of hands
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 31, 2019 19:19:48 GMT
I think he absolutely has to go immediately. It's going to be hard enough bringing in a reputable replacement as it is but if we were to give him (say) another 3 games and he lost all of those as well, then anybody decent wouldn't touch us with a barge pole, as they know they were having to start with a massive handicap. Another change though so quickly after such a radical “project” appointment. Another new back room and how many of the recent recruits will a new manager want to keep, we'll have another bomb squad. We could end up with Gordon Strachan, I’d stick for another couple of games. His media utterances have been completely bonkers though and he could have no complaints if he was sacked tonight If what he comes out with in the media has a similar level of coherency on the training ground, then it's hardly surprising what we're seeing. I've heard and seen enough from him, I don't see a single shred of evidence to suggest we should have any confidence in him at all. I only wish there was ...
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Jones out
Aug 31, 2019 19:25:49 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 31, 2019 19:25:49 GMT
Another change though so quickly after such a radical “project” appointment. Another new back room and how many of the recent recruits will a new manager want to keep, we'll have another bomb squad. We could end up with Gordon Strachan, I’d stick for another couple of games. His media utterances have been completely bonkers though and he could have no complaints if he was sacked tonight If what he comes out with in the media has a similar level of coherency on the training ground, then it's hardly surprising what we're seeing. I've heard and seen enough from him, I don't see a single shred of evidence to suggest we should have any confidence in him at all. I only wish there was ... Yes, you’re probably right Paul but I do fear what will happen if he goes. New manager will want funds to get rid of some of the questionable signings we have made. I’ve been critical of his media baloney for weeks but was hopeful it would come together on the pitch. Tough time being a Stokie
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Jones out
Aug 31, 2019 19:29:11 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 31, 2019 19:29:11 GMT
Worrying all round.
It really is.
We look every inch relegation fodder at the moment.
As I’ve said before, if we can get hughton it’s a no brainer. Make the change now.
If not, I’m really not sure who. And the old age question of will they do any better?
Tough tough times.
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Jones out
Aug 31, 2019 19:30:04 GMT
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Post by sheds1862 on Aug 31, 2019 19:30:04 GMT
Fuck off Kanara . Sorry Jones
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 31, 2019 19:39:03 GMT
Is he still here?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 19:42:15 GMT
It appears so, but we still live in hope ....
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 31, 2019 23:48:15 GMT
Sometimes, when you get to a stage where there really is nowhere back you should do the only honest thing! Yes, Nathan you really should be honest enough to quit because this is a task too big for you. You really have the right mind about it, but unfortunately you haven't what it takes to take a club of this size forward. If you really are as honest as you want to give a picture of, you should resign now! If you don't you would certainly not leave with the stature I really thought you were made of, but if money is your drive then you of course would keep going with this lost cause of yours. If this is the case your're just a money grabbing creature who there are too many of already in modern football, but it is up to you to choose what impression you want to leave. A money grabbing bastard or a decent person who really tried your best. Time will tell, but I really hope your Christian concious plays a part here.
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Jones out
Sept 1, 2019 6:05:59 GMT
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Post by stonescfc on Sept 1, 2019 6:05:59 GMT
If it was down to me he’d be gone this morning and Rory Delap would be in charge until another manager can be found. It’s not as if he’d do any worse.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 1, 2019 6:09:20 GMT
Just got some Wifi and seen the result, 4 wins in 33 now.
Teams doing against us what we find impossible- scoring 3, coming from behind to win.
This can't go on, he has to go. Get Hughton in before we start getting cut adrift
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Jones out
Sept 1, 2019 6:21:50 GMT
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Post by fentonian on Sept 1, 2019 6:21:50 GMT
Honestly what's the point in getting rid? Something turned sour under Hughes, Lambert couldn't solve it, Rowett couldn't solve it, now Jones is struggling - does everyone honestly think someone can turn it around? Seems like a much deeper rooted issue to me. Sacking Jones just seems like the obvious option.
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Jones out
Sept 1, 2019 6:26:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 6:26:16 GMT
Knowing our luck, we'd replace Jones, go down, sack Jones' replacement and start the pre season scouring the league's for a League One expert...
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