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Post by dreamtheater on May 26, 2019 14:12:11 GMT
maybe, but we did not enact this === bad management board level downwards
(god I love this armchair punditry)
and yes, if they paid me - Id would give them a plan for a return
10k would do it
including rapid removal / dismissal of some more players and, certain executives still at the club
ps 'Our Liams' on SSN now, pundit-ing good for him !!!!!
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Post by Pugsley on May 26, 2019 14:49:21 GMT
arse gravy ? maybe --true ? definitely <iframe width="22.960000000000036" height="2.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 22.960000000000036px; height: 2.8799999999999955px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_23909395" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="22.960000000000036" height="2.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 22.96px; height: 2.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1089px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_83584590" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="22.960000000000036" height="2.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 22.96px; height: 2.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 85px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_75712730" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="22.960000000000036" height="2.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 22.96px; height: 2.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1089px; top: 85px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_42371052" scrolling="no"></iframe> Any interest in Gayle was irrelevant as we didn't have a Rondon. |
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Post by dreamtheater on May 26, 2019 14:50:34 GMT
naaah I prefer to think more
'we didnt have a clue'
money talks - liquid assets -- we had it
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Post by Pugsley on May 26, 2019 14:52:55 GMT
naaah I prefer to think more 'we didnt have a clue' money talks - liquid assets -- we had it Oh dear. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 26, 2019 16:11:00 GMT
naaah I prefer to think more 'we didnt have a clue' money talks - liquid assets -- we had it Tony, we supposedly offered Ritchie £76k a week to come. Newcastle wouldn’t sell him and he’s been a Premier League regular all season. We couldn’t have done a lot more. Moreover, he wasn’t really a great fit for Rowett’s 433 either. Afobe was the striker Rowett wanted. Are you suggesting that we should’ve told the manager he couldn’t have his top targets and had to go with the ones foisted on him instead? |
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Post by stokies on May 26, 2019 17:28:57 GMT
To be fair we you cant really criticize coates over the rowett appointment. At the time things did make sense, who would you have rather gone after? Alladyce wouldve never come, most of the others unproven in the division. Teams have gone out in the past for superstar managers and bombed it di matteo (villa) amongst others. I just cant fathom criticising the appointment, you can understand it. The only argument really to make would be would lambert have made a better fist of it? However if that went tits up like rowett did, things would be even more hostile I imagine GR had no experience of - promotion from Champ - overseeing a turnaround in a club ridden with dysfunction and mired in a culture of apathy. - managing international players with big egos - spending £50m - playing the kind of football that united fans - securing good loan talent through contacts with top clubs - having the experience so often valuable now at the most competitive Championship clubs - of coaching/managing at an "elite" club in Britain/Europe, so able to understand the ways to create a winning culture and use sports-science I'd say the same now as then, that was, he was perfect if the pursuit was ugly but effective football and a finish between 8th-14th. I wanted a European (or British) coach who ticked these boxes of having experience at a top club. OR a British coach who, while risking the dinosaur label (e.g. Moyes), had the ability to manage up as well as down and saw the bigger picture so was able to put in place a structure. The reason I criticise it is was because the chances of GR succeeding were very slim. (Same with NJ, to be frank). Not impossible for a muck and brass type to win out, as Wilder as shown. But slim. His past at Burton and Birmingham suggested otherwise. He was never offered the job in January. He also showed good transfer acumen at Burton & Brum. I suggest you look who signed Lukas Jutkiewicz. He was much loved at Burton too, and was directly responsible for their push up the leagues. |
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Post by tony1234 on May 26, 2019 22:45:56 GMT
GR had no experience of - promotion from Champ - overseeing a turnaround in a club ridden with dysfunction and mired in a culture of apathy. - managing international players with big egos - spending £50m - playing the kind of football that united fans - securing good loan talent through contacts with top clubs - having the experience so often valuable now at the most competitive Championship clubs - of coaching/managing at an "elite" club in Britain/Europe, so able to understand the ways to create a winning culture and use sports-science I'd say the same now as then, that was, he was perfect if the pursuit was ugly but effective football and a finish between 8th-14th. I wanted a European (or British) coach who ticked these boxes of having experience at a top club. OR a British coach who, while risking the dinosaur label (e.g. Moyes), had the ability to manage up as well as down and saw the bigger picture so was able to put in place a structure. The reason I criticise it is was because the chances of GR succeeding were very slim. (Same with NJ, to be frank). Not impossible for a muck and brass type to win out, as Wilder as shown. But slim. His past at Burton and Birmingham suggested otherwise. He was never offered the job in January. He also showed good transfer acumen at Burton & Brum. I suggest you look who signed Lukas Jutkiewicz. He was much loved at Burton too, and was directly responsible for their push up the leagues. There are umpteen managers out there who do good jobs of different sorts. We agree Rowett managed a small budget and struggling clubs with lower expectations, to get them to punch their weight - or arguably even punch above their weight - in mid table with Brum and Burton. Stoke presented a very different challenge and kettle of fish though: a squad with 9 times the value and wage budget and around 20 times the annual transfer budget of Birmingham, 40 times the wage budget and value of Burton. If you look through my list of things we specifically needed a manager to know how to do, he had barely any of them. |
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Post by JoeinOz on May 27, 2019 0:56:20 GMT
naaah I prefer to think more 'we didnt have a clue' money talks - liquid assets -- we had it Tony, we supposedly offered Ritchie £76k a week to come. Newcastle wouldn’t sell him and he’s been a Premier League regular all season. We couldn’t have done a lot more. Moreover, he wasn’t really a great fit for Rowett’s 433 either. Afobe was the striker Rowett wanted. Are you suggesting that we should’ve told the manager he couldn’t have his top targets and had to go with the ones foisted on him instead? 76 grand a week? Really? That's idiocy. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 27, 2019 5:53:58 GMT
Tony, we supposedly offered Ritchie £76k a week to come. Newcastle wouldn’t sell him and he’s been a Premier League regular all season. We couldn’t have done a lot more. Moreover, he wasn’t really a great fit for Rowett’s 433 either. Afobe was the striker Rowett wanted. Are you suggesting that we should’ve told the manager he couldn’t have his top targets and had to go with the ones foisted on him instead? 76 grand a week? Really? That's idiocy. Supposedly so. We were prepared to go all out for him. |
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Post by JoeinOz on May 27, 2019 6:56:34 GMT
76 grand a week? Really? That's idiocy. Supposedly so. We were prepared to go all out for him. That's emblematic of the puddled thinking that followed relegation. |
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Post by thefarpost on May 28, 2019 12:02:38 GMT
Quite a well balanced summary:
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Post by s8to on May 28, 2019 12:06:43 GMT
As you would expect from the Clubs figurehead.
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