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Post by werrington on May 14, 2019 19:26:30 GMT
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Post by LGH87 on May 14, 2019 19:29:30 GMT
That Man Utd comment is cringey as fuck.
So because they’re struggling at the minute it’s ok that we are? That’s up there with what’s all the fuss about for me.
That article just proves to me they honestly thought that chucking a shit load of money at it, was going to guarantee promotion.
Are we ever going to improve whilst the clueless fucks at the top remain?
Football has moved on, they haven’t.
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Post by Absolution on May 14, 2019 19:41:55 GMT
That Man Utd comment is cringey as fuck. So because they’re struggling at the minute it’s ok that we are? That’s up there with what’s all the fuss about for me. That article just proves to me they honestly thought that chucking a shit load of money at it, was going to guarantee promotion. Are we ever going to improve whilst the clueless fucks at the top remain? Football has moved on, they haven’t. We stand and fall by the managers they appoint, and that's basically guesswork in most cases. The same Chairman who appointed Macari and Pulis also appointed Ball and Kamara. Win some, lose some. |
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Post by stokefan1972 on May 14, 2019 19:44:29 GMT
Rowett won 8 not 9 Jones won 3 thanks Peter
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Post by harlequin on May 14, 2019 19:51:22 GMT
“Well no-one is to blame. You make judgements. It was a sound judgement." You make judgements to the best of your ability. Hindsight determines whether the judgement was of sufficient calibre. You don't describe decisions that lead to failure as sound judgement, it shows unwillingness to learn from mistakes. Clubs that continually seem to make good appointments are not lucky. They have people who can judge potential and character. |
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Post by FrankButcher on May 14, 2019 19:52:02 GMT
That Man Utd comment is cringey as fuck. So because they’re struggling at the minute it’s ok that we are? That’s up there with what’s all the fuss about for me. That article just proves to me they honestly thought that chucking a shit load of money at it, was going to guarantee promotion. Are we ever going to improve whilst the clueless fucks at the top remain? Football has moved on, they haven’t. We stand and fall by the managers they appoint, and that's basically guesswork in most cases. The same Chairman who appointed Macari and Pulis also appointed Ball and Kamara. Win some, lose some. The problems we have go beyond just the manager a recruitment process that's completely failed and needs a new approach and personnel an owner who comes out and says "we don't know what went wrong" signals to me they pretty much have there heads buried in the sand. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 14, 2019 19:55:35 GMT
"He declined to point any fingers at anyone he held specifically responsible for Stoke’s dismal season".
“Well no-one is to blame"
Dear fucking God.
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Post by FrankButcher on May 14, 2019 19:56:12 GMT
"He declined to point any fingers at anyone he held specifically responsible for Stoke’s dismal season". “Well no-one is to blame" Dear fucking God. We're fucked. 😂 |
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Post by mattythestokie on May 14, 2019 19:56:54 GMT
We stand and fall by the managers they appoint, and that's basically guesswork in most cases. The same Chairman who appointed Macari and Pulis also appointed Ball and Kamara. Win some, lose some. The problems we have go beyond just the manager a recruitment process that's completely failed and needs a new approach and personnel an owner who comes out and says "we don't know what went wrong" signals to me they pretty much have there heads buried in the sand. Unless he wants Rowett coming out and criticising our club at a time where we need everything going for us, he’ll keep quiet on the problems. The problems lie with Rowett and his poor recruitment choice, which led to a complete imbalance all over the pitch, and his failure to keep the fans on side. Perhaps the club would face a backlash they don’t need if they start blatantly pointing the finger at the ex manager. |
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Post by mrred on May 14, 2019 20:02:33 GMT
I maintain that Rowett was a fine appointment and the right one that we needed at the time. For whatever reason, he couldn't dispel the stink of 2.5 years of decline and rot. But with the benefit of hindsight, he was far too industrial and his approach to going to work was not dissimilar to anyone that doesn't enjoy their work.
I rarely find Coates' comments insightful, more humdrum to be honest. But the fact that he's too nice to see where the blame should lie is alarming.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 20:10:51 GMT
"He declined to point any fingers at anyone he held specifically responsible for Stoke’s dismal season". “Well no-one is to blame" Dear fucking God. Even though he says that when asked it looks pretty much to me like he’s blaming Rowett! |
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Post by sportsman on May 14, 2019 20:18:22 GMT
Well I've just read that piece and I can't really argue too much about any of it to be fair
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Post by questionable on May 14, 2019 20:27:43 GMT
Everyone has an old uncle in the family who basically sits there and says nothing, well they probably do but everyone ignores them.
On the occasion that you remotely listen to what they say it’s the biggest load of bollocks you’ve ever heard, well Peter tonight’s prize goes firmly to you.
You’d think that he’d keep his daft mouth shut
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 20:31:49 GMT
Everyone has an old uncle in the family who basically sits there and says nothing, well they probably do but everyone ignores them. On the occasion that you remotely listen to what they say it’s the biggest load of bollocks you’ve ever heard, well Peter tonight’s prize goes firmly to you. You’d think that he’d keep his daft mouth shut terrible post. We are lucky to have the Coates family in charge. They gave Rowett the biggest budget in the league by far. In the face of it, most would have thought Rowett would be a solid appointment. The blame for this season lies firmly with Rowett. |
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Post by sportsman on May 14, 2019 20:32:51 GMT
Everyone has an old uncle in the family who basically sits there and says nothing, well they probably do but everyone ignores them. On the occasion that you remotely listen to what they say it’s the biggest load of bollocks you’ve ever heard, well Peter tonight’s prize goes firmly to you. You’d think that he’d keep his daft mouth shut Dick head |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 20:33:17 GMT
I maintain that Rowett was a fine appointment and the right one that we needed at the time. For whatever reason, he couldn't dispel the stink of 2.5 years of decline and rot. But with the benefit of hindsight, he was far too industrial and his approach to going to work was not dissimilar to anyone that doesn't enjoy their work. I rarely find Coates' comments insightful, more humdrum to be honest. But the fact that he's too nice to see where the blame should lie is alarming. I think the amount of money Gary Rowett wasted was unforgiveable. He spent £50m and made us worse. Things like buying Afobe to play as a lone striker and out and out wingers to play in a 4-3-3 were just mental decisions. It was quite spectacular how it was even possible to manage such a feat when you think about it. I do wonder whether the amount of money he had at his disposal was his downfall. He almost went about things like a kid in a sweet shop. When you look at his signings individually you can't really say that any of them should have been as bad as they turned out today but put them together and the result was horrendous. It could potentially be an issue with less experienced managers. Had he ever been given that amount of money in one window before? I very much doubt it. I also very much doubt out "recruitment team" were any help whatsoever. Will be interesting to see what is spent this window and whether it spent wisely. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 20:33:56 GMT
Everyone has an old uncle in the family who basically sits there and says nothing, well they probably do but everyone ignores them. On the occasion that you remotely listen to what they say it’s the biggest load of bollocks you’ve ever heard, well Peter tonight’s prize goes firmly to you. You’d think that he’d keep his daft mouth shut Go look at the Bolton staff having to have food banks set up for them and then go and wash your mouth out son! |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2019 21:07:30 GMT
The buck stops at the top.
Rowett may have underperformed and made some questionable signings but who allowed him to make those signings ? He didn't have a free hand.
There are people to blame Mr Coates and you are one of those people
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 14, 2019 22:25:30 GMT
The buck stops at the top. Rowett may have underperformed and made some questionable signings but who allowed him to make those signings ? He didn't have a free hand. There are people to blame Mr Coates and you are one of those people In what way did he not have a free hand? |
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Post by mrcoke on May 14, 2019 22:56:47 GMT
As my old dad used to say "Stinking fish starts at the head".
His comment: "I felt we should have a minimum requirement of being in the top-six, I didn’t think that was unrealistic given the squad we’d got and the money we’d spent" requires the following observations:
1. "given the squad we'd got" demonstrates the lack of appreciation of how bad we were the previous season and and a sense of nonchalance. We had a squad that conceded a huge amount of goals and was clearly the weakest in the Prem.
Under Lambert we were incapable of creating and scoring goals and our most creative player Shaqiri left.
There was a desperate requirement to strengthen the defence which Zouma had left, but we left it till the end of the transfer window to sign Williams and Martina who's loss of form was alarming.
There has been a desperate need to bring in creative players, since Arni left and Bojan was dispensed with. The best striker in the land would struggle to score with our lack of creation. McClean is not a creator and Ince has been moved on by ever club he has played for.
2. "the money we'd spent" presumably means the money Rowett spent, but alarm bells should have been ringing with the money we'd spent of Berahino, Wimmer, and Imbula, or does Coates think that signings is 100% down to the manager and the recruitment team are blameless? It would appear so since they are still intact.
3. On the subject of recruitment, the club is clearly in a mess. They stuck too long with Hughes, which I understand, but then made a hash of replacing him, having been turned down by at least two potential managers (we don't know who else was sounded out) before settling on Lambert, which proved to be a failure. With the players mentioned above and managers chosen, we must be the world's worst club at picking employees who are either useless, or have a lousy attitude.
4. I have some sympathy with the appointment of Rowett. I welcomed his appointment and wrongly assumed the club had made a wise choice. I soon smelt a rat last summer with Rowett's comments; after over 35 years in management I can detect someone who is full of bull. The selection of players signed, pre-season, first 10 matches all confirmed my suspicion that Rowett was out of his depth. He managed to batten down the hatches and stop the losses, but at the expense of stopping scoring and some dire football. When we started losing again after an undefeated run, he clearly had to go.
5. I welcomed the appointment of Jones. Regrettably he has had to contend with all the problems Rowett faced, plus the problems Rowett created, plus Berahino going off the rails again, which might not make much difference on the pitch, but must be very damaging in the dressing room and make some honest hard-working pros wonder what sort of an organization they are working in.
6. Finally PC has got to realise that when all the picking of players and managers is going consistently wrong, that it must have something to do with those doing the picking. He needs to change the board members.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on May 14, 2019 23:03:02 GMT
If Bet365 went to shit would Denise say "no one was to blame"?
No, absolutely not - heads would roll, people would be held accountable for their failings.
Multiple people are to blame Peter, and you're one of them for not holding people accountable and allowing us to blindly walk into the black hole we currently find ourselves in.
But hey, "what's all the fuss about?!"
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Post by standbutler1 on May 14, 2019 23:07:30 GMT
some bollocks on here. without the coats we would be vale
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Post by Gods on May 14, 2019 23:10:02 GMT
If you don't fancy reading the article this is the entirety of the quotes: "We were hoping, obviously, to do much better. I felt we should have a minimum requirement of being in the top-six, I didn’t think that was unrealistic given the squad we’d got and the money we’d spent. It obviously didn’t happen, so hugely disappointing. We took Gary Rowett, we thought it was a good appointment, there was no reason to think otherwise. He knew our division, it seemed the right decision, but didn’t work, that happens in football I’m afraid. We under-achieved. I think that’s a fair comment. Why that went wrong, none of us perhaps will ever know. But it didn’t work and logically it should have done. Well no-one is to blame. You make judgements. It was a sound judgement. You rely on your manager to produce results and Gary didn’t produce results and as a result of that he left the club. There’s a little club down the road here called Manchester United and they have their difficulties with finding managers. It’s nothing new and can happen to any club and does happen to any club. It’s difficult because it’s his career and he’s not a bad man or anything like that,” he said. He wasn’t not working hard, so it’s always a human reaction and I’ve never enjoyed sacking anybody, but we do it because you think it’s the right thing to do. You don’t do it because you enjoy doing it. You feel for the other party because it’s a disappointment for them, but it’s something that’s part of the job." End. It's a bit weird, an article that could equally well have been written in January, nothing at all relating to the 2nd half of the season under a new manager. There must be a Part 2 coming  |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on May 14, 2019 23:10:26 GMT
If Bet365 went to shit would Denise say "no one was to blame"? No, absolutely not - heads would roll, people would be held accountable for their failings. Multiple people are to blame Peter, and you're one of them for not holding people accountable and allowing us to blindly walk into the black hole we currently find ourselves in. But hey, "what's all the fuss about?!" This is the bit I’ve never understood. Clearly, the Coates have lethal business acumen, Bet365 is an absolute powerhouse of an institution, raking in billions of pounds per year. Why when it comes to Stoke do they seem like they scribble their names on the wall with crayons? |
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Post by standbutler1 on May 14, 2019 23:21:11 GMT
bet 365 is nowt do with stoke fc. its a family business that's done well and provides lots of jobs in stoke. Peter was a fan of stoke long before many of us and done what any of us would of done (true fans) if we had the money. we are lucky
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Post by retired1 on May 14, 2019 23:32:56 GMT
some bollocks on here. without the coats we would be vale we have some of the worst and most miserable fans in the country. They will be demanding a new chairman and financial backer next. Vales old one has a few quid now so maybe they would prefer him instead of the Coates family. |
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Post by standbutler1 on May 14, 2019 23:57:23 GMT
its the younger fans that are knackering are club
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 15, 2019 1:40:33 GMT
We stand and fall by the managers they appoint, and that's basically guesswork in most cases. The same Chairman who appointed Macari and Pulis also appointed Ball and Kamara. Win some, lose some. The problems we have go beyond just the manager a recruitment process that's completely failed and needs a new approach and personnel an owner who comes out and says "we don't know what went wrong" signals to me they pretty much have there heads buried in the sand. Would that be to stop the manager picking the players? |
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 15, 2019 1:43:04 GMT
I maintain that Rowett was a fine appointment and the right one that we needed at the time. For whatever reason, he couldn't dispel the stink of 2.5 years of decline and rot. But with the benefit of hindsight, he was far too industrial and his approach to going to work was not dissimilar to anyone that doesn't enjoy their work. I rarely find Coates' comments insightful, more humdrum to be honest. But the fact that he's too nice to see where the blame should lie is alarming. And he spunked 50 million on players that didn't fit/aren't good enough. Coates is pretty old fashioned and he keeps things in house, I can't see him ever coming out and pointing fingers or slagging anyone off in the press. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 15, 2019 1:44:27 GMT
The buck stops at the top. Rowett may have underperformed and made some questionable signings but who allowed him to make those signings ? He didn't have a free hand. There are people to blame Mr Coates and you are one of those people Are you saying someone should be able to say no to the players the manager wants? |
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