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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Apr 10, 2019 15:45:11 GMT
It’s at 2:31 on the highlights video here: www.skysports.com/football/swansea-vs-stoke/393029Seemed a pretty dubious last man red to me. Indi is the furthest defender back but he makes an attempt for the ball, so wasn’t just wiping him out, the lad cuts back, so going away from goal and that cut back gives other Stoke players time to catch up with play, which they clearly would have done if he didn’t go down. The ref is supposed to take distance from goal into account too and it’s miles out. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 10, 2019 15:49:08 GMT
I think it's one of the worst decisions I've ever seen.
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Post by musik on Apr 10, 2019 15:50:02 GMT
going away from goal and that cut back gives other Stoke players time to catch up with play, which they clearly would have done if he didn’t go down. The ref is supposed to take distance from goal into account too and it’s miles out. The other Stoke players were too far away from situation in the middle, so you have to take into account the speed of him and them as well. BMI was the last man able to reach him. And yes it was miles out, but the other Stoke players were even further away, so ... |
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Post by camstoke10 on Apr 10, 2019 15:54:27 GMT
I think it's one of the worst decisions I've ever seen. looking at it again I honestly don’t see any contact from indi, it looks like James puts his foot onto indi and then goes down |
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Post by ElworthPotter on Apr 10, 2019 15:54:49 GMT
Definite grounds for appeal. Had the defender knocked the beyond Bruno towards goal then that would have been a clear goal-scoring opportunity and a definite red card. Instead, he knocked it to the side, where Clucas was getting round on the cover and would have had a chance to make a challenge. I thought at the time Free Kick and yellow card and I’m still sure that should have been the case.
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Post by camstoke10 on Apr 10, 2019 15:56:13 GMT
Definite grounds for appeal. Had the defender knocked the beyond Bruno towards goal then that would have been a clear goal-scoring opportunity and a definite red card. Instead, he knocked it to the side, where Clucas was getting round on the cover and would have had a chance to make a challenge. I thought at the time Free Kick and yellow card and I’m still sure that should have been the case. yeah, we had one of these against someone the exact same situation I think they fouled ince and only a yellow was given, but Cus it’s stoke it probably won’t gwt overturned |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 10, 2019 16:02:05 GMT
I’d be amazed if that got overturned because nobody can honestly say that Clucas would have come round and caught James
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 10, 2019 16:24:57 GMT
I’d be amazed if that got overturned because nobody can honestly say that Clucas would have come round and caught James Was it a clear goalscoring opportunity though Mutts? Not convinced it was, he had miles to go. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 10, 2019 16:27:28 GMT
I’d be amazed if that got overturned because nobody can honestly say that Clucas would have come round and caught James Was it a clear goalscoring opportunity though Mutts? Not convinced it was, he had miles to go. I’d say yes with his pace mate |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 16:27:55 GMT
Crazy decision. He was an appalling ref who just wanted to give the home crowd everything they wanted
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 10, 2019 16:30:33 GMT
Was it a clear goalscoring opportunity though Mutts? Not convinced it was, he had miles to go. I’d say yes with his pace mate Fair enough. Still think it's a big shout given the distance he had left to travel. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 10, 2019 16:33:34 GMT
I’d say yes with his pace mate Fair enough. Still think it's a big shout given the distance he had left to travel. Do they still add a game if they think it’s a frivolous appeal? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 16:34:59 GMT
He's lost the ball and is moving away from goal.
Even leon britton on swansea local radio said as it happened it would be a yellow
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 10, 2019 16:35:44 GMT
Fair enough. Still think it's a big shout given the distance he had left to travel. Do they still add a game if they think it’s a frivolous appeal? Think so? |
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Apr 10, 2019 16:58:02 GMT
I’d be amazed if that got overturned because nobody can honestly say that Clucas would have come round and caught James I think Clucas easily catches James there. James looks fast, and good, but he’s not fast enough to be able to knock the ball backwards, cutting inside and still be able to have a clean run on goal from scratch with Clucas 5 yards away at full pelt (with no ball) running as the crow flies. If he’d knocked it past Indi towards goal to chase then different story but he didn’t, he knocks it inside and has to go backwards to beat Indi. So Clucas and other defenders are on the scene immediately. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 10, 2019 17:01:08 GMT
I’d be amazed if that got overturned because nobody can honestly say that Clucas would have come round and caught James I think Clucas easily catches James there. James looks fast, and good, but he’s not fast enough to be able to knock the ball backwards, cutting inside and still be able to have a clean run on goal from scratch with Clucas 5 yards away at full pelt (with no ball) running as the crow flies. If he’d knocked it past Indi towards goal to chase then different story but he didn’t, he knocks it inside and has to go backwards to beat Indi. So Clucas and other defenders are on the scene immediately. Fair enough mate but I don’t 😄 |
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Post by scfcwebby on Apr 10, 2019 17:17:23 GMT
Pressure being put on the ref also by the Swansea players, what happened to the rule about a yellow card to be issued for players circling the ref? 🤔
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Post by luke2u on Apr 10, 2019 17:21:56 GMT
No way this was a red card.
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Post by reddipotter on Apr 10, 2019 17:35:50 GMT
Crazy decision. He was an appalling ref who just wanted to give the home crowd everything they wanted I thought this before the red cards. I've been surprised that it hasn't been mentioned in other threads on the game. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 10, 2019 18:02:43 GMT
As I expected
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Post by franklin66 on Apr 10, 2019 18:06:58 GMT
Having calmed down and looked again I thought both red cards were harsh. There was cover for BMI and no way was it a clear goalscoring chance so that's a yellow. Edwards second yellow was kak also the runt threw himself to the floor after being overpowered.
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Post by adamsson on Apr 10, 2019 18:19:55 GMT
Having calmed down and looked again I thought both red cards were harsh. There was cover for BMI and no way was it a clear goalscoring chance so that's a yellow. Edwards second yellow was kak also the runt threw himself to the floor after being overpowered. They were harsh but that don't count on appeal, they have to be blatantly and obviously wrong. Even then it ain't guaranteed. |
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Apr 10, 2019 18:21:48 GMT
For it to be overturned it would have to be a clear and obvious mistake, and while I think it's only a yellow, will the football league see it as clear and obvious. I dont think they will.
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Post by franklin66 on Apr 10, 2019 18:22:22 GMT
Having calmed down and looked again I thought both red cards were harsh. There was cover for BMI and no way was it a clear goalscoring chance so that's a yellow. Edwards second yellow was kak also the runt threw himself to the floor after being overpowered. They were harsh but that don't count on appeal, they have to be blatantly and obviously wrong. Even then it ain't guaranteed. True 👍 |
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Post by spiderpuss on Apr 10, 2019 21:25:04 GMT
For it to be overturned it would have to be a clear and obvious mistake, and while I think it's only a yellow, will the football league see it as clear and obvious. I dont think they will. Agreed, if we wear the other shoe for the moment...as a Swansea fan you'd want to see a red. I can't see it being overturned, no harm asking I guess. |
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Post by musik on Apr 10, 2019 21:45:53 GMT
The ref is supposed to take distance from goal into account too and it’s miles out. So what? No Stoke player would have been able to catch him anyway. Within seconds it's a F2F situation w Butland. Like a penalty. Neutral view. |
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 10, 2019 21:56:30 GMT
The ref is supposed to take distance from goal into account too and it’s miles out. So what? No Stoke player would have been able to catch him anyway. Within seconds it's a F2F situation w Butland. Like a penalty. Neutral view. That makes no sense. A player with the ball at his feet 12 yards from goal is obviously in a *clearer* goal scoring position than one who is 30 yards out, regardless of who else is around him. |
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Post by musik on Apr 10, 2019 22:11:39 GMT
So what? No Stoke player would have been able to catch him anyway. Within seconds it's a F2F situation w Butland. Like a penalty. Neutral view. That makes no sense. A player with the ball at his feet 12 yards from goal is obviously in a *clearer* goal scoring position than one who is 30 yards out, regardless of who else is around him. What do you think James would have done if BMI hadn't used his big fat ass to stop him? A picnic on the pitch? No. He would have continued forward and probably scored within three-four seconds. No Stoke player would have been closer to James than 4 meters behind IF ... BMI hadn't done what he did. Imagine a situation where there is a corner to a chasing team and the opponents are down in the penalty box as well. Apart from one single player. And he starts his run on the right side of the line when the long ball comes. He could be 50 meters away from the keeper and the goal line when someone catches and tackles him to the ground from behind. It's still a red card. Last man. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 10, 2019 22:21:11 GMT
I thought both red cards were justified at the time and I am more convinced both were justified having watched that highlights reel.
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Post by uskstokie on Apr 10, 2019 22:22:34 GMT
Ngl I thought both Reds were fair the other day. I do think BMIs was soft however I do think it was a red.
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