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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 14:33:08 GMT
I just read the story about the Schalke manager having never played professional footballer and he's a young age of 31. I think its another proof that you dont need football experience per se to become a proper football manager. Therefore I just feel that consecutive managers are totally missing out what Bojan brings to the team. Maybe its just not visible in the training ground, but its clear watching from the stands or on TV during a game I'm not sure I would subscribe to the theory, but staff from the last two appointments have praised Bojan in training. Rowett said that Boj was exemplary in training, and Delap (who was also in the previous installment but seems to have a bigger role in the current setup) said a couple of weeks ago that he was fine and was banging in goals a plenty. All of which of course makes it no clearer why Bojan always is left out. Because the managers have better players? Well hardly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 14:33:37 GMT
I don't think McClean is playing as a second striker, more like a winger as part of a 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 with Ince on the other side. On current form McClean must be one of the first names on the team sheet, we have far bigger problems than him right now. If we are playing a diamond (which doesn't appear to be the case right now at least to me - even if that's the intention) then perhaps Bojan is worth a go up front, Afobe is in absolutely horrendous form and Saido - well the less said the better. Diouf would probably get into the team up front right now, and he's less of a striker than James McClean is, but he'd probably do a better job on the wing than Ince right now. Diouf is less of a striker than James McClean?! Perhaps I was a little harsh on Mame in saying McClean is a better option, I can't fault the guys work rate but I don't think he is the answer to our scoring issues, he has shown on many occasions that he cannot be relied upon to put the ball in the back of the net. Afobe really needs to step up and show some of the form that made us buy him in the first place.
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Post by tosh on Feb 20, 2019 14:46:40 GMT
Diouf is less of a striker than James McClean?! Diouf is less of a striker than Pope ,but even i would give him a go over afobe Diouff? Scored 11 premier league goals in 34 appearances when played as a striker. Misses plenty as well but makes the effort to keep getting there. But worse than McLean? - highest league goals in one premier league season 2 - average.goals last 5 years is 1.6 per season Think I might give Diouff another go at scoring Championship goals? After all nobody else is scoring any!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 14:59:52 GMT
Diouf is less of a striker than James McClean?! Perhaps I was a little harsh on Mame in saying McClean is a better option, I can't fault the guys work rate but I don't think he is the answer to our scoring issues, he has shown on many occasions that he cannot be relied upon to put the ball in the back of the net. Afobe really needs to step up and show some of the form that made us buy him in the first place. I know what you mean but he still scored us 7 last year despite the all the misses and that was in the PL. Reckon he might do a good job for us here. Even if not scoring himself but he puts himself about enough to make problems and opportunities for the others. I thought he looked good when he played. And I think he's certainly a better option than McClean (at the very least no worse!).
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Post by ursemboys on Feb 20, 2019 15:25:02 GMT
Diouf is less of a striker than Pope ,but even i would give him a go over afobe Diouff? Scored 11 premier league goals in 34 appearances when played as a striker. Misses plenty as well but makes the effort to keep getting there. But worse than McLean? - highest league goals in one premier league season 2 - average.goals last 5 years is 1.6 per season Think I might give Diouff another go at scoring Championship goals? After all nobody else is scoring any! Tosh i agree give him a go , by the way last season Diouf's stats where 35 played 6 goals 2 assist , not really very good and i know we where poor last season,but we are not really very good at the moment are we so Mclean is on course to beats Dioufs stats from last season . But like i said on my post diouf over Afobe defo
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Post by rondogmcmuffin on Feb 20, 2019 17:06:37 GMT
Diouf is less of a striker than Pope ,but even i would give him a go over afobe Diouff? Scored 11 premier league goals in 34 appearances when played as a striker. Misses plenty as well but makes the effort to keep getting there. But worse than McLean? - highest league goals in one premier league season 2 - average.goals last 5 years is 1.6 per season Think I might give Diouff another go at scoring Championship goals? After all nobody else is scoring any! I really want to agree with you but I just can't forget that miss against Burnley. absolutely nothing against Diouf, it's just that miss.
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Post by jeycov on Feb 20, 2019 17:33:45 GMT
Diouff? Scored 11 premier league goals in 34 appearances when played as a striker. Misses plenty as well but makes the effort to keep getting there. But worse than McLean? - highest league goals in one premier league season 2 - average.goals last 5 years is 1.6 per season Think I might give Diouff another go at scoring Championship goals? After all nobody else is scoring any! I really want to agree with you but I just can't forget that miss against Burnley. absolutely nothing against Diouf, it's just that miss. On the other hand, his goal at Man City was something special
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 20, 2019 17:43:02 GMT
I really want to agree with you but I just can't forget that miss against Burnley. absolutely nothing against Diouf, it's just that miss. On the other hand, his goal at Man City was something special If my memory serves me correctly there was more than a touch of luck associated with that goal?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 18:57:21 GMT
On the other hand, his goal at Man City was something special If my memory serves me correctly there was more than a touch of luck associated with that goal? You've got the worst memory or you can't recognize brilliance when you see it
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 19:04:06 GMT
If my memory serves me correctly there was more than a touch of luck associated with that goal? You've got the worst memory or you can't recognize brilliance when you see it How much quicker and slimmer does he look there?
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Post by lordb on Feb 20, 2019 19:15:37 GMT
If my memory serves me correctly there was more than a touch of luck associated with that goal? You've got the worst memory or you can't recognize brilliance when you see it Eric Pieter's was credited with an assist for that goal,and presumably got a bonus for it too? Modern football is bonkers.
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Post by lordb on Feb 20, 2019 19:20:28 GMT
Hard to forget Dioufs misses last season however surely now he has to be on the bench at the very least?
Lots of, justifiable, talk about poor attitudes at the club - can't accuse Diouf of that. Poor first touch,very hit and miss finishing but he will run and run and - unlike Afobe - get into the right areas for a chance. Time for his chance.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 19:30:55 GMT
Hard to forget Dioufs misses last season however surely now he has to be on the bench at the very least? Lots of, justifiable, talk about poor attitudes at the club - can't accuse Diouf of that. Poor first touch,very hit and miss finishing but he will run and run and - unlike Afobe - get into the right areas for a chance. Time for his chance. I’d play him instead of Ince, Diouf on the right wing would create chances without a doubt, I have very little faith in him up front though, I’d rather see Bojan deployed as a striker alongside Vokes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 19:35:41 GMT
If my memory serves me correctly there was more than a touch of luck associated with that goal? You've got the worst memory or you can't recognize brilliance when you see it Fantastic, he was fortunate it was Joe Hart between the sticks and not someone of De Gea’s quality but great run. Let’s not pretend he played like that every week though, or that he is capable of doing it now. He’s worth a go but I’m not expecting much from him up top, he’s a better RB than he is a striker.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 20, 2019 19:45:19 GMT
If my memory serves me correctly there was more than a touch of luck associated with that goal? You've got the worst memory or you can't recognize brilliance when you see it Good goal with a couple of dollops of luck. Brilliance, not for me.
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Post by scfc5 on Feb 20, 2019 19:49:28 GMT
Diouff? Scored 11 premier league goals in 34 appearances when played as a striker. Misses plenty as well but makes the effort to keep getting there. But worse than McLean? - highest league goals in one premier league season 2 - average.goals last 5 years is 1.6 per season Think I might give Diouff another go at scoring Championship goals? After all nobody else is scoring any! Tosh i agree give him a go , by the way last season Diouf's stats where 35 played 6 goals 2 assist , not really very good and i know we where poor last season,but we are not really very good at the moment are we so Mclean is on course to beats Dioufs stats from last season . But like i said on my post diouf over Afobe defo Did he not play half those games as right wing-back?!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 19:52:34 GMT
You've got the worst memory or you can't recognize brilliance when you see it Fantastic, he was fortunate it was Joe Hart between the sticks and not someone of De Gea’s quality but great run. Let’s not pretend he played like that every week though, or that he is capable of doing it now. He’s worth a go but I’m not expecting much from him up top, he’s a better RB than he is a striker. Once he had scored that goal there wasn't a manager or a set of defenders that would allow him to have that much freedom. Somewhere along the way he lost confidence, and I don't think you can blame him. one week he was playing left wing, the next it was right back, and a while later it was right wing, then quite a long way later he was up front. I don't see why he isn't capable of being a good striker for us at a lower level. He still has bags of pace, at least compared to just about every other striker on our books. But like with Bojan, Diouf needs a couple of matches, before he gets going. By the looks of things, Jones won't afford him that. He's very quickly found his favourites who can do no wrong in his eyes, while others can play well and still get dropped. Not one of Jones' better traits.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 20, 2019 20:27:57 GMT
On the other hand, his goal at Man City was something special If my memory serves me correctly there was more than a touch of luck associated with that goal? Politely.... I don’t think you’re giving when due
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 20, 2019 20:39:13 GMT
If my memory serves me correctly there was more than a touch of luck associated with that goal? Politely.... I don’t think you’re giving when due Fair enough owde, see above, I said it was a good goal, but for me it was shocking keeping and I thought he got a bit lucky with the ball through the defenders legs. I just remembered thinking that Diouf got a bit lucky with the goal, no big deal really, I’m happy enough if the majority think it’s brilliant but for me looked better than it actually was.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 21:37:42 GMT
Politely.... I don’t think you’re giving when due Fair enough owde, see above, I said it was a good goal, but for me it was shocking keeping and I thought he got a bit lucky with the ball through the defenders legs. I just remembered thinking that Diouf got a bit lucky with the goal, no big deal really, I’m happy enough if the majority think it’s brilliant but for me looked better than it actually was. That's the trouble with Stoke's alleged fans. Get an outstanding goal which got us three wholly unexpected points, and, nah, it was just luck. If you take two of last year's best goals. Ronaldo vs Juve, and Bale in the final, you could narrow them down to elements of luck, but it still took exceptional skill to get them.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Feb 20, 2019 21:47:31 GMT
Diouf was at his best when he didn't have time to think about it.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 20, 2019 22:00:36 GMT
Diouf was at his best when he didn't have time to think about it. I’ve always said this, if you give Diouf time to think, it’s more time for him to think where to miss the target.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 20, 2019 22:06:00 GMT
Fair enough owde, see above, I said it was a good goal, but for me it was shocking keeping and I thought he got a bit lucky with the ball through the defenders legs. I just remembered thinking that Diouf got a bit lucky with the goal, no big deal really, I’m happy enough if the majority think it’s brilliant but for me looked better than it actually was. That's the trouble with Stoke's alleged fans. Get an outstanding goal which got us three wholly unexpected points, and, nah, it was just luck. If you take two of last year's best goals. Ronaldo vs Juve, and Bale in the final, you could narrow them down to elements of luck, but it still took exceptional skill to get them. Alleged fans 🤣 Another one of the ultras! Can I join your gang of real fans, have you a special membership card. Do you think yours is the only opinion that counts. My memory isn’t that bad that I can remember you as the type of poster that disparages other posters. As you were, the one true fan 😭
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Post by Godo on Feb 21, 2019 0:43:03 GMT
Obviously we should select players on the evidence of how they performed several years ago not what the manager sees in training now. Jones knows that Diouf would be banging the goals in every week - despite Diouf committing some of the most ridiculous misses I've ever seen during the previous 2 seasons - but he's not selecting him just to piss everyone off. It's obvious when you think about it.....
As for Bojan, Ince certainly hasn't made #10 slot his own and although I doubt Bojan is the answer I do think he deserved more time on the pitch to prove himself in that position, particularly now that he has Vokes up there to play off.
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Post by kustokie on Feb 21, 2019 1:40:20 GMT
Diouff? Scored 11 premier league goals in 34 appearances when played as a striker. Misses plenty as well but makes the effort to keep getting there. But worse than McLean? - highest league goals in one premier league season 2 - average.goals last 5 years is 1.6 per season Think I might give Diouff another go at scoring Championship goals? After all nobody else is scoring any! Tosh i agree give him a go , by the way last season Diouf's stats where 35 played 6 goals 2 assist , not really very good and i know we where poor last season,but we are not really very good at the moment are we so Mclean is on course to beats Dioufs stats from last season . But like i said on my post diouf over Afobe defo I think you’ll find we numbers are misleading because most of those games were either as a sub or a WB.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 21, 2019 2:09:20 GMT
Hard to forget Dioufs misses last season however surely now he has to be on the bench at the very least? Lots of, justifiable, talk about poor attitudes at the club - can't accuse Diouf of that. Poor first touch,very hit and miss finishing but he will run and run and - unlike Afobe - get into the right areas for a chance. Time for his chance. I’d play him instead of Ince, Diouf on the right wing would create chances without a doubt, I have very little faith in him up front though, I’d rather see Bojan deployed as a striker alongside Vokes. Jones doesn't play wingers. Ince has been playing centrally.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 3:46:53 GMT
Do you think yours is the only opinion that counts. No, not at all, but I am entitled to it!
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Feb 21, 2019 4:34:18 GMT
Diouf was at his best when he didn't have time to think about it. I’ve always said this, if you give Diouf time to think, it’s more time for him to think where to miss the target. The draw at Spurs. Had at least a couple of free headers where he could have picked his spot. Straight down the goalkeepers gob. The one he scored was borderline miss hit where it skimmed off his head without him having any ability to direct it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 7:06:11 GMT
Jones doesn't play wingers. Except when he switches the system mid game.
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Post by ursemboys on Feb 21, 2019 9:43:20 GMT
Tosh i agree give him a go , by the way last season Diouf's stats where 35 played 6 goals 2 assist , not really very good and i know we where poor last season,but we are not really very good at the moment are we so Mclean is on course to beats Dioufs stats from last season . But like i said on my post diouf over Afobe defo I think you’ll find we numbers are misleading because most of those games were either as a sub or a WB. True but McLean has been sub or played out of position also,but like i said give diouf a go .
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