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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 19, 2019 14:18:03 GMT
Ultimately, Berahino'sgoals is a terrible poster all ends up. He has simplistic, bordering child-like logic behind his opinions, which he has repeatedly failed to back up beyond the embarrassingly reductivist "If He WaS GoOd He'D bE pLaYiNg". He seems to think that simply repeating the same infantile opinion time and time again is how to win an argument. The fact that he's now becoming frustrated and angry when his terrible views are being pulled apart for the hundredth time suggest a level of emotional immaturity. Faced with overwhelming opposition to his garbage opinions, he still can't let it go. Although he bows out time and time again, he still comes back. It's almost like his ego is intrinstically linked to his disapproval of Bojan. We've seen posters like this before, who paint themselves so feverishly into a corner in some desperate desire to be right that they daren't back down, but this chap is a spectacularly extreme example. I think the best thing to do would be to just ignore him, and let him carry on thinking he's right. He's not harming anyone or anything other than his own reputation. We all see him as he is, a bit of an embarrassment, so let's just move on and the rest of us non-maniacs can enjoy sensible discussion again. Say what you like, you've got a hard-core group of jockeys that won't have a bad word said about bojan wether it's true or not, Like it or not, it's true but you don't mention how they can't let it go do you... strange isn't it. Look a few pages further back and you'll see I said "that's all I want to say on it" but the same group of about 3 or more Pillocks make a point of keeping it going. Check it for yourself and get your facts right before you start making grand assumptions, mr perfect.. Bojan bojan bojan, all we've heard all season like he's the saviour of mankind, you're quite pathetic tbh. P.s) to worry about harming my own reputation I have to worry about what people think of me, maybe you do?. I,to be quite Frank, couldn't give a flying fuck
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Post by nott1 on Feb 19, 2019 14:29:57 GMT
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 19, 2019 14:31:39 GMT
Ultimately, Berahino'sgoals is a terrible poster all ends up. He has simplistic, bordering child-like logic behind his opinions, which he has repeatedly failed to back up beyond the embarrassingly reductivist "If He WaS GoOd He'D bE pLaYiNg". He seems to think that simply repeating the same infantile opinion time and time again is how to win an argument. The fact that he's now becoming frustrated and angry when his terrible views are being pulled apart for the hundredth time suggest a level of emotional immaturity. Faced with overwhelming opposition to his garbage opinions, he still can't let it go. Although he bows out time and time again, he still comes back. It's almost like his ego is intrinstically linked to his disapproval of Bojan. We've seen posters like this before, who paint themselves so feverishly into a corner in some desperate desire to be right that they daren't back down, but this chap is a spectacularly extreme example. I think the best thing to do would be to just ignore him, and let him carry on thinking he's right. He's not harming anyone or anything other than his own reputation. We all see him as he is, a bit of an embarrassment, so let's just move on and the rest of us non-maniacs can enjoy sensible discussion again. Say what you like, you've got a hard-core group of jockeys that won't have a bad word said about bojan wether it's true or not Like it or not, it's true but you don't mention how they don't let it go can you... strange isn't it. Look a few pages further back and you'll see I said "that's all I want to say on it" but the same group of about 3 or more Pillocks make a point of keeping it going. Check it for yourself and get your facts right before you start making grand assumptions mr perfect.. Bojan bojan bojan, all we've heard all season like he's the saviour of mankind, you're quite pathetic tbh. P.s) to worry about harming my own reputation I have to worry about what people think of me, maybe you do?. I,to be quite Frank, couldn't give a flying fuck
Yeah....i mean how fucking weird to only hear "Bojan, bojan, bojan" in a thread about Bojan eh?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 19, 2019 14:32:32 GMT
Say what you like, you've got a hard-core group of jockeys that won't have a bad word said about bojan wether it's true or not Like it or not, it's true but you don't mention how they don't let it go can you... strange isn't it. Look a few pages further back and you'll see I said "that's all I want to say on it" but the same group of about 3 or more Pillocks make a point of keeping it going. Check it for yourself and get your facts right before you start making grand assumptions mr perfect.. Bojan bojan bojan, all we've heard all season like he's the saviour of mankind, you're quite pathetic tbh. P.s) to worry about harming my own reputation I have to worry about what people think of me, maybe you do?. I,to be quite Frank, couldn't give a flying fuck
Yeah....i mean how fucking weird to only hear "Bojan, bojan, bojan" in a thread about Bojan eh?
It's been going on for months, he's done fuck all, anywhere. Deal with it.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 19, 2019 15:01:21 GMT
Trying to illustrate that one does not give a fuck by going out of one's way to announce that one does not give a fuck, has the inevitable consequence of demonstrating the complete opposite.
If you're so sick of Bojan, why not stay out of Bojan themed threads, rather than entrenching yourself in every single one you can find?
Nobody thinks you're clever, nobody thinks you're insightful, you just come across like some contrarian who goes out of their way to dislike whoever is popular to make yourself feel superior.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Feb 19, 2019 15:17:17 GMT
Yeah....i mean how fucking weird to only hear "Bojan, bojan, bojan" in a thread about Bojan eh?
It's been going on for months, he's done fuck all, anywhere. Deal with it. I'm not trying to build a wall of love around Bojan. If you were being the same about any Stoke player, I'd be saying the same. You're vindictive and full of bile and talking about someone who is a part of the team you support. Argue your case with intelligence and reason and you might have half a chance. However, you've missed that opportunity and you know it. So, you can either slither away or keep on ranting, knowing that a hell of a lot of people are laughing at you. It's not about Bojan, it's about you...
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 19, 2019 15:25:11 GMT
With his side at Luton, did he play 2 up top?. Maybe he doesn't trust what's behind them at the moment so hedging his bets with McClean. Theres no way he sees it as a long term thing. Trouble is with our current side you find it hard to see where the goals are coming from.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 19, 2019 15:28:42 GMT
Trying to illustrate that one does not giving a fuck by going out of one's way to announce that one does not give a fuck, has the inevitable consequence of demonstrating the complete opposite. If you're so sick of Bojan, why not stay out of Bojan themed threads, rather than entrenching yourself in every single one you can find? Nobody thinks you're clever, nobody thinks you're insightful, you just come across like some contrarian who goes out of their way to dislike whoever is popular to make yourself feel superior. If the little superhero was as good in training or on the pitch as well as he talks in the media & to journo's he'd be "playing" in a top 6 prem team not struggling to get into a struggling championship team ( "but he doesnot want to upset anyone") .. here is an idea bojan, why don't you tell this to your manager instead of a journo if you don't want to upset anybody and slap in that transfer request?). Simple truth is this, Krkic has been at stoke since 2014 & it's now 2019, in those 5 years he's played 3 months of sublime football. Let that sink in. He fanned the flames on GR with because he couldn't get into the team and now he's turning up the heat on Jones. Rowett as good as said he's finished ( He did say it!) Now, he can't get in a stoke team managed by an attack minded manager with apparently a perfect position for him. Now, what does that tell you? This isn't one manager, this is 5 or so now? Bojans case isn't strengthened by the fact he has not done anything anywhere for over 4 years apart from 3 months of sublime football. During this time how much as he earned?... or 'taken' for a better word? Love it how you trot out my favourumite line .. " If he was that good he'd be playing", to be fair I believe I've got a very valid point. Why isn't he if he's so good? Surely managers under pressure play their best options, seems to work at other clubs? or maybe I'm just imagining it As for the not giving a fuck what people think bit I'm simply pointing out that you clearly care what people think about you because you assume others are the same.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 15:31:05 GMT
Bojan bojan bojan, all we've heard all season like he's the saviour of mankind, you're quite pathetic tbh. P.s) to worry about harming my own reputation I have to worry about what people think of me, maybe you do?. I,to be quite Frank, couldn't give a flying fuckAs you've demonstrated by your several hundred messages about the subject The unfunny thing is none of Bojan's fans have ever referred to him as any kind of saviour. All we ask is he is given a fair chance in the team, the same as everybody else.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 19, 2019 15:32:59 GMT
Trying to illustrate that one does not giving a fuck by going out of one's way to announce that one does not give a fuck, has the inevitable consequence of demonstrating the complete opposite. If you're so sick of Bojan, why not stay out of Bojan themed threads, rather than entrenching yourself in every single one you can find? Nobody thinks you're clever, nobody thinks you're insightful, you just come across like some contrarian who goes out of their way to dislike whoever is popular to make yourself feel superior. If the little superhero was as good in training or on the pitch as well as he talks in the media & to journo's he'd be "playing" in a top 6 prem team not struggling to get into a struggling championship team ( "but he doesnot want to upset anyone") .. here is an idea bojan, why don't you tell this to your manager instead of a journo if you don't want to upset anybody and slap in that transfer request?). Simple truth is this, Krkic has been at stoke since 2014 & it's now 2019, in those 5 years he's played 3 months of sublime football. Let that sink in. He fanned the flames on GR with because he couldn't get into the team and now he's turning up the heat on Jones. Rowett as good as said he's finished ( He did say it!) Now, he can't get in a stoke team managed by an attack minded manager with apparently a perfect position for him. Now, what does that tell you? This isn't one manager, this is 5 or so now? Bojans case isn't strengthened by the fact he has not done anything anywhere for over 4 years apart from 3 months of sublime football. During this time how much as he earned?... or 'taken' for a better word? Love it how you trot out my favourumite line .. " If he was that good he'd be playing", to be fair I believe I've got a very valid point. Why isn't he if he's so good? Surely managers under pressure play their best options, seems to work at other clubs? or maybe I'm just imagining it As for the not giving a fuck what people think bit I'm simply pointing out that you clearly care what people think about you because you assume others are the same. Same old same old same old same old boring boring boring repetitive debunked or countered drivel. How can one man post so much and say so little?! We get it! You've said it eight billion times, you're persuading nobody and boring everybody. Just repeating it time after time doesn't make it any more true or credible or interesting. Jeeeesus Christ.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 19, 2019 15:50:00 GMT
What’s the point in posting and of highlighting in large bold font a meaningless percentage? Ask the Sentinel, they put it out there. Apologies. I thought it was your post
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 19, 2019 16:10:29 GMT
If the little superhero was as good in training or on the pitch as well as he talks in the media & to journo's he'd be "playing" in a top 6 prem team not struggling to get into a struggling championship team ( "but he doesnot want to upset anyone") .. here is an idea bojan, why don't you tell this to your manager instead of a journo if you don't want to upset anybody and slap in that transfer request?). Simple truth is this, Krkic has been at stoke since 2014 & it's now 2019, in those 5 years he's played 3 months of sublime football. Let that sink in. He fanned the flames on GR with because he couldn't get into the team and now he's turning up the heat on Jones. Rowett as good as said he's finished ( He did say it!) Now, he can't get in a stoke team managed by an attack minded manager with apparently a perfect position for him. Now, what does that tell you? This isn't one manager, this is 5 or so now? Bojans case isn't strengthened by the fact he has not done anything anywhere for over 4 years apart from 3 months of sublime football. During this time how much as he earned?... or 'taken' for a better word? Love it how you trot out my favourumite line .. " If he was that good he'd be playing", to be fair I believe I've got a very valid point. Why isn't he if he's so good? Surely managers under pressure play their best options, seems to work at other clubs? or maybe I'm just imagining it As for the not giving a fuck what people think bit I'm simply pointing out that you clearly care what people think about you because you assume others are the same. Same old same old same old same old boring boring boring repetitive debunked or countered drivel. How can one man post so much and say so little?! We get it! You've said it eight billion times, you're persuading nobody and boring everybody. Just repeating it time after time doesn't make it any more true or credible or interesting. Jeeeesus Christ. Typical reply, standard for when the questions start getting difficult. You've got nothing to reply with and as with the other lot you resort to the same replies of nothing. So let's let it go now & agree to disagree or do you want to drag the nothingness on like the three or four others earlier in the thread and start the "wum" remarks or change the subject to Berahino ( another favoured tactic of a response with no answers)
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Post by pavel on Feb 19, 2019 16:29:34 GMT
Same old same old same old same old boring boring boring repetitive debunked or countered drivel. How can one man post so much and say so little?! We get it! You've said it eight billion times, you're persuading nobody and boring everybody. Just repeating it time after time doesn't make it any more true or credible or interesting. Jeeeesus Christ. Typical reply, standard for when the questions start getting difficult. You've got nothing to reply with and as with the other lot you resort to the same replies of nothing. So let's let it go now & agree to disagree or do you want to drag the nothingness on like the three or four others earlier in the thread and start the "wum" remarks or change the subject to Berahino ( another favoured tactic of a response with no answers) Priceless
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Post by jeycov on Feb 19, 2019 16:29:45 GMT
Saido burnt his bridges, Campbell out on loan, maybe there’s still a chance that we will see Bojan in a Stoke shirt again?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:35:05 GMT
Saido burnt his bridges, Campbell out on loan, maybe there’s still a chance that we will see Bojan in a Stoke shirt again? Fingers crossed. I was wondering if this Saido stuff might also help facilitate the return of our Diouf as well :-) would be nice to see Bojan and Diouf back and 100 per cent. given for the shirt if nothing else.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 19, 2019 16:38:06 GMT
How many times does it need to be said this is not a thread about whether Bojan is good enough or if people talk about him too much but about whether the way the club has treated him has been fair. Compare his playing time with Berahino's and consider the 1 to 1 treatment Berahino was given with Phillips compared to allegedly no one talking to or helping Bojan. Consider the way they have both behaved this week. Who would you rather have at the club yet if one is still here this time next year I have a sneaking feeling who it will be.
It seems to me that Bojan's agent found alternatives without the help of anyone from Stoke. The club then turned them down, lying to Bojan in the process. If he's not considered good enough get rid. Bojan obviously will not complain. It seems to me another example of the recruitment team undermining the manager. Is there an actual quote from Jones saying he persuaded Bojan to stay or have we just been told that he wanted to keep him? It seems the recruitment team are incredibly worried about upsetting the fans over this one just in case he comes good somewhere else.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 19, 2019 16:44:28 GMT
I doubt if Saido missing will make a difference as Afobe and McLean seem to be the preferred partners to Vokes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:49:33 GMT
How many times does it need to be said this is not a thread about whether Bojan is good enough or if people talk about him too much but about whether the way the club has treated him has been fair. Compare his playing time with Berahino's and consider the 1 to 1 treatment Berahino was given with Phillips compared to allegedly no one talking to or helping Bojan. Consider the way they have both behaved this week. Who would you rather have at the club yet if one is still here this time next year I have a sneaking feeling who it will be. It seems to me that Bojan's agent found alternatives without the help of anyone from Stoke. The club then turned them down, lying to Bojan in the process. If he's not considered good enough get rid. Bojan obviously will not complain. It seems to me another example of the recruitment team undermining the manager. Is there an actual quote from Jones saying he persuaded Bojan to stay or have we just been told that he wanted to keep him? It seems the recruitment team are incredibly worried about upsetting the fans over this one just in case he comes good somewhere else. NJ did say himself that he was an important player and he was ideal for how he wanted to play...
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 19, 2019 16:57:23 GMT
Did he say that when he first arrived at the club or when he allegedly persuaded him to stay. The playing time he's been given would suggest that having seen him in training Jones is not so convinced now and I just think if he'd gone in January it would have been one less controversy for Nathan to deal with. Now he's damned if he plays him (giving in to players demands isn't a good precedence to set) and damned by the fans if he doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 16:59:03 GMT
Did he say that when he first arrived at the club or when he allegedly persuaded him to stay. The playing time he's been given would suggest that having seen him in training Jones is not so convinced now and I just think if he'd gone in January it would have been one less controversy for Nathan to deal with. Now he's damned if he plays him (giving in to players demands isn't a good precedence to set) and damned by the fans if he doesn't. I think it was the last week of the window. The week he got his start at Hull. I do think NJ has brought this on himself. It's just very confusing when he was much better when he played than Ince. I thought NJ was just trying to bash out some results and was playing McClean and Ince because it allowed him to change shape mid game as he did at Wigan. But then the interview said Bojan didn't know why which suggests he hasn't been spoken to about it which, while some people might not think the managers might not owe an explanation to anyone, I would have thought its important people know why they are not being picked.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 19, 2019 17:04:04 GMT
OK. Mind you if he'd been told Bojan was staying like it or not he wasn't going to come out and say so was he. Also saying he's ideal for the system isn't quite the same as promising him playing time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 17:06:10 GMT
OK. Mind you if he'd been told Bojan was staying like it or not he wasn't going to come out and say so was he. Also saying he's ideal for the system isn't quite the same as promising him playing time. Indeed but I struggle to believe that Bojan would have done that interview and expressed such disappointment if it wasn't a bit more than that though...but I don't know him personally...even the interview said how hard it was for him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 17:09:17 GMT
Now he's damned if he plays him (giving in to players demands isn't a good precedence to set) and damned by the fans if he doesn't. Bojan has almost certainly played his last game for Stoke. Sad but that's what he was saying between lines in his interview. His come and get me plea was aimed at clubs in countries where the transfer window isn't closed - there's quite a few, too numerous to mention. Some are in crap leagues where you'd hope he doesn't go. But at this point anything is better than Stoke. That's what this thread is about, as you pointed out above. It broke his heart to say it, and it breaks mine to write this, but you want what's best for him, and Stoke is not it.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 19, 2019 17:17:26 GMT
OK. Mind you if he'd been told Bojan was staying like it or not he wasn't going to come out and say so was he. Also saying he's ideal for the system isn't quite the same as promising him playing time. Indeed but I struggle to believe that Bojan would have done that interview and expressed such disappointment if it wasn't a bit more than that though...but I don't know him personally...even the interview said how hard it was for him. You would have thought so but I just wonder whether it was actually Jones who spoke to him or somebody else at the club promising him something that Jones won't deliver.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 17:22:43 GMT
Indeed but I struggle to believe that Bojan would have done that interview and expressed such disappointment if it wasn't a bit more than that though...but I don't know him personally...even the interview said how hard it was for him. You would have thought so but I just wonder whether it was actually Jones who spoke to him or somebody else at the club promising him something that Jones won't deliver. Who knows. I’m hoping it’s all a big misunderstanding. NJ being the god-fearing decent and honourable bloke that he is will be horrified that Bojan felt that way and explains to him that he’s just been having to try to get results and unfortunately games haven’t gone as expected and firmly but politely explains patience is needed and then in a blaze of glory Bojan takes his chance in what will be the performance of the season with goals for Bojan and an assist for a goal on the glorious return of Mame Diouf. Haha if only 🤣
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Post by ceejays on Feb 19, 2019 17:26:36 GMT
It’s posters like berahinosgoals that I refer to as draining the lifeblood out of the fan base. There are a good few more and imho they should be keeping Bayern company. Jeeeeesus
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 19, 2019 17:26:44 GMT
That's what I'm hoping too. Perhaps that he's playing players to find out if they fit and he already knows Bojan will or that he's playing players to make sure he gets decent offers for them in the summer.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 19, 2019 17:50:34 GMT
It’s posters like berahinosgoals that I refer to as draining the lifeblood out of the fan base. There are a good few more and imho they should be keeping Bayern company. Jeeeeesus People who don't deserve the good. Who want to shit all over the finer things so that if they fuck up, they look like the big clever man who.was right all along. They just selfishly suck the hope out of everything. Horrible.
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Post by nott1 on Feb 19, 2019 18:14:20 GMT
Ask the Sentinel, they put it out there. Apologies. I thought it was your post Copy and pasted and highlighted.
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Post by nott1 on Feb 19, 2019 18:17:41 GMT
Now he's damned if he plays him (giving in to players demands isn't a good precedence to set) and damned by the fans if he doesn't. Bojan has almost certainly played his last game for Stoke. Sad but that's what he was saying between lines in his interview. His come and get me plea was aimed at clubs in countries where the transfer window isn't closed - there's quite a few, too numerous to mention. Some are in crap leagues where you'd hope he doesn't go. But at this point anything is better than Stoke. That's what this thread is about, as you pointed out above. It broke his heart to say it, and it breaks mine to write this, but you want what's best for him, and Stoke is not it. I'd rather Bojan stayed and Jones pissed off, he's not going to turn us around and he knows it by now!
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