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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 18:28:37 GMT
Bojan has almost certainly played his last game for Stoke. Sad but that's what he was saying between lines in his interview. His come and get me plea was aimed at clubs in countries where the transfer window isn't closed - there's quite a few, too numerous to mention. Some are in crap leagues where you'd hope he doesn't go. But at this point anything is better than Stoke. That's what this thread is about, as you pointed out above. It broke his heart to say it, and it breaks mine to write this, but you want what's best for him, and Stoke is not it. I'd rather Bojan stayed and Jones pissed off, he's not going to turn us around and he knows it by now! If you can buy out Coates, you might have a say in the matter. But if not, you have no chance of Jones being pissed off.
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Post by nott1 on Feb 19, 2019 18:30:05 GMT
I'd rather Bojan stayed and Jones pissed off, he's not going to turn us around and he knows it by now! If you can buy out Coates, you might have a say in the matter. But if not, you have no chance of Jones being pissed off. I'll check me piggy bank. P.S. we got rid of GR though so you never know.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 18:37:53 GMT
If you can buy out Coates, you might have a say in the matter. But if not, you have no chance of Jones being pissed off. I'll check me piggy bank. P.S. we got rid of GR though so you never know. I know there are people like you who think Rowett got sacked because of Bojan, but it had nothing to do with it. Scholes said in the recent radio interview that if a manager chooses to leave out a player, such as Bojan, the BOD will always support the manager.
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Post by Sfance on Feb 19, 2019 18:46:12 GMT
I wouldn’t believe a word Scholes says when it comes to what happens at Stoke.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 18:49:48 GMT
I wouldn’t believe a word Scholes says when it comes to what happens at Stoke. Ok, suppose then that Rowett was sacked because of Bojan. Why would they then accept that the new manager acted even more Rowett than Rowett himself did. No, it doesnt make sense
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 19, 2019 19:08:54 GMT
If you can buy out Coates, you might have a say in the matter. But if not, you have no chance of Jones being pissed off. I'll check me piggy bank. P.S. we got rid of GR though so you never know. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when your only criteria for retaining a manager is their willingness to play a footballer who has failed to live up to his potential? And well done for getting rid of Rowett. The revolving door policy adopted by you and your fellow goat slaughters is working a treat.
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 19, 2019 20:20:24 GMT
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Post by nott1 on Feb 20, 2019 8:11:26 GMT
I'll check me piggy bank. P.S. we got rid of GR though so you never know. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when your only criteria for retaining a manager is their willingness to play a footballer who has failed to live up to his potential? And well done for getting rid of Rowett. The revolving door policy adopted by you and your fellow goat slaughters is working a treat. It's the manager who is failing to live up to his potential and Bojan has not even been given the chance by either of these clowns! He WILL lose his job if he treats well paid players like this just like GR did.PC will not want his money wasted in this way, and if YOU think Bojan would not improve this team how can YOU be taken seriously,as you move into berahinosgoals territory.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 8:22:23 GMT
How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when your only criteria for retaining a manager is their willingness to play a footballer who has failed to live up to his potential? And well done for getting rid of Rowett. The revolving door policy adopted by you and your fellow goat slaughters is working a treat. It's the manager who is failing to live up to his potential and Bojan has not even been given the chance by either of these clowns! He WILL lose his job if he treats well paid players like this just like GR did.PC will not want his money wasted in this way, and if YOU think Bojan would not improve this team how can YOU be taken seriously,as you move into berahinosgoals territory. You are really weirdly obsessed with Bojan. Nathan Jones will be given time and money to put his own team together, he will not be judged by the board on whether or not he plays Bojan 😆
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Post by Veritas on Feb 20, 2019 8:22:48 GMT
How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when your only criteria for retaining a manager is their willingness to play a footballer who has failed to live up to his potential? And well done for getting rid of Rowett. The revolving door policy adopted by you and your fellow goat slaughters is working a treat. It's the manager who is failing to live up to his potential and Bojan has not even been given the chance by either of these clowns! He WILL lose his job if he treats well paid players like this just like GR did.PC will not want his money wasted in this way, and if YOU think Bojan would not improve this team how can YOU be taken seriously,as you move into berahinosgoals territory. I am a Bojan fan and desperate for him to re-emerge as a major force for us, however I am also starting to fear that Hughes, Rowett and Jones have all see him daily in training and have come to the same conclusion with the increasing probability they are right.
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Post by nott1 on Feb 20, 2019 8:28:27 GMT
It's the manager who is failing to live up to his potential and Bojan has not even been given the chance by either of these clowns! He WILL lose his job if he treats well paid players like this just like GR did.PC will not want his money wasted in this way, and if YOU think Bojan would not improve this team how can YOU be taken seriously,as you move into berahinosgoals territory. I am a Bojan fan and desperate for him to re-emerge as a major force for us, however I am also starting to fear that Hughes, Rowett and Jones have all see him daily in training and have come to the same conclusion with the increasing probability they are right. Funny that because I've seen him on the pitch playing better than Ince Afobe McClean etc etc, and he's the ONLY creative spark IN THE SQUAD.
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Post by nott1 on Feb 20, 2019 8:35:34 GMT
It's the manager who is failing to live up to his potential and Bojan has not even been given the chance by either of these clowns! He WILL lose his job if he treats well paid players like this just like GR did.PC will not want his money wasted in this way, and if YOU think Bojan would not improve this team how can YOU be taken seriously,as you move into berahinosgoals territory. You are really weirdly obsessed with Bojan. Nathan Jones will be given time and money to put his own team together, he will not be judged by the board on whether or not he plays Bojan 😆 I just think it's weird that the only creative player capable of offensive play is being sidelined in favour of a load of bland crap such as Afobe, McClean etc. The team needs his skill to put a decisive pass in attacks now and then. Without it our goalscoring days have and will continue to be absent. By the way you seem to be obsessed with my posts and I will not comment on them in the future, you are a sodding nuisance and not just to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 8:39:25 GMT
You are really weirdly obsessed with Bojan. Nathan Jones will be given time and money to put his own team together, he will not be judged by the board on whether or not he plays Bojan 😆 I just think it's weird that the only creative player capable of offensive play is being sidelined in favour of a load of bland crap such as Afobe, McClean etc. The team needs his skill to put a decisive pass in attacks now and then. Without it our goalscoring days have and will continue to be absent. By the way you seem to be obsessed with my posts and I will not comment on them in the future, you are a sodding nuisance and not just to me. I’m a sodding nuisance because I call you up on the shite that you post? And I think most people will agree with me about that.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Feb 20, 2019 8:49:48 GMT
You are really weirdly obsessed with Bojan. Nathan Jones will be given time and money to put his own team together, he will not be judged by the board on whether or not he plays Bojan 😆 I just think it's weird that the only creative player capable of offensive play is being sidelined in favour of a load of bland crap such as Afobe, McClean etc. The team needs his skill to put a decisive pass in attacks now and then. Without it our goalscoring days have and will continue to be absent. By the way you seem to be obsessed with my posts and I will not comment on them in the future, you are a sodding nuisance and not just to me. He's obsessed with my posts too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 8:51:26 GMT
I just think it's weird that the only creative player capable of offensive play is being sidelined in favour of a load of bland crap such as Afobe, McClean etc. The team needs his skill to put a decisive pass in attacks now and then. Without it our goalscoring days have and will continue to be absent. By the way you seem to be obsessed with my posts and I will not comment on them in the future, you are a sodding nuisance and not just to me. He's obsessed with my posts too. 😆😆😆
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 20, 2019 8:58:25 GMT
I make no apologies for repeating what I said earlier in the thread. Bojan's ability or lack of it is not really the point of this thread. The thread started in response to Bojan's comments in a Sentinel interview, that he could not see why the club did not sell him when it had the chance to do so in January, if they were not going to play him.
The two questions that need to be put to the club and the manager are:
If you think he has something to offer to the team, then why don't you give him a run in the side to try to prove himself - as seems to be happening to most other players in the first team squad?
If you DON'T think he has anything to offer to the team, then why didn't you take the chance to offload him in January? Not playing him is hardly going to enhance his value for a sale in the summer and, if you had offloaded him in January, you would have saved £27k per week off the wage bill.
These are questions which really do need to be answered to keep the fans informed of a situation which appears to have little common sense behind it. Everything else is just arguing for the sake of it.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 20, 2019 9:04:12 GMT
You are really weirdly obsessed with Bojan. Nathan Jones will be given time and money to put his own team together, he will not be judged by the board on whether or not he plays Bojan 😆 I just think it's weird that the only creative player capable of offensive play is being sidelined in favour of a load of bland crap such as Afobe, McClean etc. The team needs his skill to put a decisive pass in attacks now and then. Without it our goalscoring days have and will continue to be absent. By the way you seem to be obsessed with my posts and I will not comment on them in the future, you are a sodding nuisance and not just to me. Ince must fit into the creative bracket as well. He might not be performing at the moment but he's definitely creative. I'd also argue Adam offers creativity.
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Post by Veritas on Feb 20, 2019 9:10:56 GMT
I make no apologies for repeating what I said earlier in the thread. Bojan's ability or lack of it is not really the point of this thread. The thread started in response to Bojan's comments in a Sentinel interview, that he could not see why the club did not sell him when it had the chance to do so in January, if they were not going to play him. The two questions that need to be put to the club and the manager are: If you think he has something to offer to the team, then why don't you give him a run in the side to try to prove himself - as seems to be happening to most other players in the first team squad? If you DON'T think he has anything to offer to the team, then why didn't you take the chance to offload him in January? Not playing him is hardly going to enhance his value for a sale in the summer and, if you had offloaded him in January, you would have saved £27k per week off the wage bill. These are questions which really do need to be answered to keep the fans informed of a situation which appears to have little common sense behind it. Everything else is just arguing for the sake of it. Given the widely accepted lack of creativity in the squad and the failure to add anything in the January window I think this simply comes down to keeping Bojan as one of a very small number of options along with Ince and Adams but that currently he is felt to be behind Ince in terms pecking order, which is depressing in itself.
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Post by Gods on Feb 20, 2019 9:12:37 GMT
I just think it's weird that the only creative player capable of offensive play is being sidelined in favour of a load of bland crap such as Afobe, McClean etc. The team needs his skill to put a decisive pass in attacks now and then. Without it our goalscoring days have and will continue to be absent. By the way you seem to be obsessed with my posts and I will not comment on them in the future, you are a sodding nuisance and not just to me. Ince must fit into the creative bracket as well. He might not be performing at the moment but he's definitely creative. I'd also argue Adam offers creativity. Yes they do, I don't have the sense Jonesy is great fan of any of those 3 or indeed Berahino who does have deception in his game. I think he's going to try and do this thing with blood, sweat and tears.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 20, 2019 9:32:04 GMT
Ince must fit into the creative bracket as well. He might not be performing at the moment but he's definitely creative. I'd also argue Adam offers creativity. Yes they do, I don't have the sense Jonesy is great fan of any of those 3 or indeed Berahino who does have deception in his game. I think he's going to try and do this thing with blood, sweat and tears. You’re absolutely bang on with your assertion that Berahino has “deception” in his game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 11:34:54 GMT
PC will not want his money wasted in this way You couldn't be more wrong. He just loves spending money on Berahino, Imbula, and Wimmer. Then he spends it on players who don't really want to be here like Afobe, Clucas, and Ince. I wouldn't be surprised if he spends money on another few wasters in the summer.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 20, 2019 13:17:51 GMT
Ince must fit into the creative bracket as well. He might not be performing at the moment but he's definitely creative. I'd also argue Adam offers creativity. Yes they do, I don't have the sense Jonesy is great fan of any of those 3 or indeed Berahino who does have deception in his game. I think he's going to try and do this thing with blood, sweat and tears. If that's the approach then it's a concern because I can't see to many who are goin to offer that level of commitment for the club right now. A lot of them seem broken and the hunger & desire has diminished somewhat. Maybe we need another good pasting so that they can all argue amongst themselves and have a big therapy session where they speak openly about the mess we're in & where they think the problem is. If they don't see any issues then drop them and get those back in who do care. Bojan appears to care, he just wants to play - maybe that's what we need right now, players who want to play.
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 20, 2019 13:25:22 GMT
Jones is doing himself no favours in keep selecting McClean as the second striker. There is just no way it is viable going forward. His Luton team scored goals for fun, this team we/he has now has so few goals in them it's scary.
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 20, 2019 13:42:32 GMT
It's the manager who is failing to live up to his potential and Bojan has not even been given the chance by either of these clowns! He WILL lose his job if he treats well paid players like this just like GR did.PC will not want his money wasted in this way, and if YOU think Bojan would not improve this team how can YOU be taken seriously,as you move into berahinosgoals territory. I am a Bojan fan and desperate for him to re-emerge as a major force for us, however I am also starting to fear that Hughes, Rowett and Jones have all see him daily in training and have come to the same conclusion with the increasing probability they are right. I prefer to be a Stoke fan! Players, Managers, CEOs and even Owners come and go, but Stoke remains. Bojan? I'm more distressed that Imbula did not work out as we thought he would, but hey-ho, next year we'll be better! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 13:49:57 GMT
Jones is doing himself no favours in keep selecting McClean as the second striker. There is just no way it is viable going forward. His Luton team scored goals for fun, this team we/he has now has so few goals in them it's scary. I don't think McClean is playing as a second striker, more like a winger as part of a 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 with Ince on the other side. On current form McClean must be one of the first names on the team sheet, we have far bigger problems than him right now. If we are playing a diamond (which doesn't appear to be the case right now at least to me - even if that's the intention) then perhaps Bojan is worth a go up front, Afobe is in absolutely horrendous form and Saido - well the less said the better. Diouf would probably get into the team up front right now, and he's less of a striker than James McClean is, but he'd probably do a better job on the wing than Ince right now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 13:52:53 GMT
Jones is doing himself no favours in keep selecting McClean as the second striker. There is just no way it is viable going forward. His Luton team scored goals for fun, this team we/he has now has so few goals in them it's scary. I don't think McClean is playing as a second striker, more like a winger as part of a 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 with Ince on the other side. On current form McClean must be one of the first names on the team sheet, we have far bigger problems than him right now. If we are playing a diamond (which doesn't appear to be the case right now at least to me - even if that's the intention) then perhaps Bojan is worth a go up front, Afobe is in absolutely horrendous form and Saido - well the less said the better. Diouf would probably get into the team up front right now, and he's less of a striker than James McClean is, but he'd probably do a better job on the wing than Ince right now. Diouf is less of a striker than James McClean?!
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Feb 20, 2019 14:05:54 GMT
I just read the story about the Schalke manager having never played professional footballer and he's a young age of 31.
I think its another proof that you dont need football experience per se to become a proper football manager.
Therefore I just feel that consecutive managers are totally missing out what Bojan brings to the team. Maybe its just not visible in the training ground, but its clear watching from the stands or on TV during a game
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 14:17:59 GMT
I just read the story about the Schalke manager having never played professional footballer and he's a young age of 31. I think its another proof that you dont need football experience per se to become a proper football manager. Therefore I just feel that consecutive managers are totally missing out what Bojan brings to the team. Maybe its just not visible in the training ground, but its clear watching from the stands or on TV during a game As with anything, not just football, if you have someone who has a lot of natural talent they can be harder to train/less obviously show what you want them to show in a group situation than someone with less natural ability. Especially if they are surrounded by people with less natural ability. Maybe at Barcelona surrounded by very talented people he would have been fine in training but here he's not got anyone really with that same level of natural talent and footballing ability (which I don't think even those who dislike Bojan can dispute that he's more naturally gifted than most) and so it doesn't show. I could be wrong but you see it will lots of things, not just football, music, other sports, even particular jobs or exams, if someone is naturally gifted they are generally harder to train and you won't see it in a group training/class or anything like that. Tbf, it is perhaps most obvious in kids but you do see it with adults too.
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Post by ursemboys on Feb 20, 2019 14:21:52 GMT
If you can buy out Coates, you might have a say in the matter. But if not, you have no chance of Jones being pissed off. I'll check me piggy bank. P.S. we got rid of GR though so you never know. That turned out well didnt it ,not sure if we have got better or worse ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif)
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Post by ursemboys on Feb 20, 2019 14:25:32 GMT
I don't think McClean is playing as a second striker, more like a winger as part of a 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 with Ince on the other side. On current form McClean must be one of the first names on the team sheet, we have far bigger problems than him right now. If we are playing a diamond (which doesn't appear to be the case right now at least to me - even if that's the intention) then perhaps Bojan is worth a go up front, Afobe is in absolutely horrendous form and Saido - well the less said the better. Diouf would probably get into the team up front right now, and he's less of a striker than James McClean is, but he'd probably do a better job on the wing than Ince right now. Diouf is less of a striker than James McClean?! Diouf is less of a striker than Pope ,but even i would give him a go over afobe
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