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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 26, 2018 15:22:12 GMT
Stick to feeding the squirrels you senile old bastard Rob said yesterday that there is nothing wrong with the process. It's the same as at other clubs. Rob doesn't believe the pizza boys carry too much influence and Rob believes nothing at stoke happens without the manager being 100% involved in the process. Despite Rob believing that the manager sanctions everything Rob still believes that the personnel is a problem and that someone else should be involved. If the manager is the guy that carries all the influence, it makes no difference who occupies the roles of the pizza boys. It's down to the manager surely? Again Dave, there’s a fairly hefty chunk of stuff I didn’t actually say there, plus, not for the first time, you’re engaging in some extremely fuzzy, everything is black and white logic. I don’t know how much ‘influence’ the pizza boys hold, what I’m saying is that they don’t force the manager to sign players he doesn’t want, and the loudest voice where transfers are concerned is the manager. And of course it matters who occupies the roles, because a quality scouting network and willingness to explore all markets uncovers more gems doesn’t it? Hence Steve Walsh’s finds helping Leicester to the title, while those supposedly found by Carto struggle to make Huddersfield’s bench. That’s the difference good scouting makes. The pizza boys found etebo. He was man of match yesterday. All is well. Things are back on track. Would that be the same Steve Walsh that turned into a pizza boy at Everton?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 26, 2018 15:33:36 GMT
Again Dave, there’s a fairly hefty chunk of stuff I didn’t actually say there, plus, not for the first time, you’re engaging in some extremely fuzzy, everything is black and white logic. I don’t know how much ‘influence’ the pizza boys hold, what I’m saying is that they don’t force the manager to sign players he doesn’t want, and the loudest voice where transfers are concerned is the manager. And of course it matters who occupies the roles, because a quality scouting network and willingness to explore all markets uncovers more gems doesn’t it? Hence Steve Walsh’s finds helping Leicester to the title, while those supposedly found by Carto struggle to make Huddersfield’s bench. That’s the difference good scouting makes. The pizza boys found etebo. He was man of match yesterday. All is well. Things are back on track. Would that be the same Steve Walsh that turned into a pizza boy at Everton? I never said all is well did I? It clearly isn’t. But the suggestion the manager doesn’t want Etebo was rather undermined by him, you know, playing him and then showering him with praise in the aftermath. Yes, Walsh had a shocker at Everton. Shall we strike Leicester’s title win from the records?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 15:39:55 GMT
This thread has got me thinking, what is everyone's favourite toppings?
Quite like a bit of spice on there personally. Pepperoni way too greasy.
Pineapple is a strict no-no.
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Post by questionable on Aug 26, 2018 15:43:35 GMT
Erm...Not a massive pizza fan but I’d go for beef and chilli if I had to
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Post by stiggerstackle on Aug 26, 2018 15:44:01 GMT
This thread has got me thinking, what is everyone's favourite toppings? Quite like a bit of spice on there personally. Pepperoni way too greasy. Pineapple is a strict no-no. Pepperoni AND pineapple mate - it’s the future...
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 26, 2018 15:53:10 GMT
The pizza boys found etebo. He was man of match yesterday. All is well. Things are back on track. Would that be the same Steve Walsh that turned into a pizza boy at Everton? I never said all is well did I? It clearly isn’t. But the suggestion the manager doesn’t want Etebo was rather undermined by him, you know, playing him and then showering him with praise in the aftermath. Yes, Walsh had a shocker at Everton. Shall we strike Leicester’s title win from the records? It wasn't undermined though was it? Your view is more undermined by Fletcher starting ahead of him for 3 successive games. You don't leave out your new 6.3m all action midfield player for Darren Fletcher. Etebo played yesterday because rowett had no choice. Thankfully he seems to have played brilliantly. Let's hope the pizza boys have got one right at last.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 26, 2018 15:54:50 GMT
This thread has got me thinking, what is everyone's favourite toppings? Quite like a bit of spice on there personally. Pepperoni way too greasy. Pineapple is a strict no-no. Pizza is disgusting. That tomato puree stuff is rank. Maybe my dislike of pizza clouds my judgement on the pizza boys
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 15:57:13 GMT
This thread has got me thinking, what is everyone's favourite toppings? Quite like a bit of spice on there personally. Pepperoni way too greasy. Pineapple is a strict no-no. Pizza is disgusting. That tomato puree stuff is rank. Maybe my dislike of pizza clouds my judgement on the pizza boys I always had you down as a straight Steak and Chips man, Dave? Your man Tony would approve...
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 26, 2018 15:58:53 GMT
Pizza is disgusting. That tomato puree stuff is rank. Maybe my dislike of pizza clouds my judgement on the pizza boys I always had you down as a straight Steak and Chips man, Dave? Your man Tony would approve... Funnily enough I've had steak and various forms of potato for the last 3 nights on holiday and will be having it again tonight...but with chips for sure today
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 26, 2018 16:06:13 GMT
I never said all is well did I? It clearly isn’t. But the suggestion the manager doesn’t want Etebo was rather undermined by him, you know, playing him and then showering him with praise in the aftermath. Yes, Walsh had a shocker at Everton. Shall we strike Leicester’s title win from the records? It wasn't undermined though was it? Your view is more undermined by Fletcher starting ahead of him for 3 successive games. You don't leave out your new 6.3m all action midfield player for Darren Fletcher. Etebo played yesterday because rowett had no choice. Thankfully he seems to have played brilliantly. Let's hope the pizza boys have got one right at last. Of course he had a choice. Plus he was fulsome in his praise afterwards. A far cry from Pulis’ “it was nothing to do with Tunny” shtick of downplaying a player’s impact. Plenty of managers ease overseas signings in gently by limiting their game time early on. It’s again pretty standard stuff.
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Post by Tubes on Aug 26, 2018 16:39:47 GMT
what the guy with inside info said above. Manager not involved in the financial negotiation or scouting of players. ‘Inside info’. And that’s nailed on is it? I should clarify it's not really "inside info". I haven't worked at Stoke and am not privy to the backroom dealings there, but I did spend the last six years working with a football club (and from time to time met some of the Stoke backroom team) The point I was trying to make is that generally the manager is given the final say on most things football wise. Clubs, like all organisations, have a hierarchy, and when it comes to football the recruitment team generally works at the behest of the manager. If the manager says "I want this player", the recruitment team are supposed to go out and get him. If the manager says "I need a defensive midfielder" the team are supposed to provide options. I'm not putting forward an opinion either way on whether our recruitment team have done a good job or not, I think most people can make up their own minds, I just felt compelled to write something because to me it just seems like complete misunderstanding of how football clubs work to suggest that the CEO is making footballing decisions.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 26, 2018 17:17:22 GMT
It wasn't undermined though was it? Your view is more undermined by Fletcher starting ahead of him for 3 successive games. You don't leave out your new 6.3m all action midfield player for Darren Fletcher. Etebo played yesterday because rowett had no choice. Thankfully he seems to have played brilliantly. Let's hope the pizza boys have got one right at last. Of course he had a choice. Plus he was fulsome in his praise afterwards. A far cry from Pulis’ “it was nothing to do with Tunny” shtick of downplaying a player’s impact. Plenty of managers ease overseas signings in gently by limiting their game time early on. It’s again pretty standard stuff. I have to say that is the way I see the situation with Etebo, as well. It is easy to forget that managers (unlike us fans) see players in training every day and are best placed to understand when a player is "ready". Also easy to forget that Etebo was one of our players who reported late for pre season due to his efforts at the World Cup. So, we have a player who has moved countries and clubs, has had a shortened pre-season and is having to get used to a new culture, a new language on the training ground and is settling into a new home - be it a flat, a house or a hotel. Hardly surprising that he didn't set the world on fire in his Stoke debut. After that first game Rowett gave him a few minutes of cameo appearances before giving him 90 minutes yesterday. As far as I can see it paid off big time. Someone commented yesterday that he looked the most dynamic midfield performance since we had N'Zonzi and I doubt whether many Stokes will disagree. Like many Stokies I'm not 100% certain that Rowett is going to become a legendary Stoke manager - but I'm not going to give him one word of criticism for the way he has handled Etebo in his first few weeks at the club. We may have seen the new N'Zonzi. Whilst I am on the subject he looks like he may have finally bought a replacement for Whelan - in fact not just a replacement but a significant upgrade. Woods and Etebo look like the foundation of a very good midfield - an area which has been crying out for improvement.
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Post by neddy on Aug 26, 2018 17:40:00 GMT
Of course he had a choice. Plus he was fulsome in his praise afterwards. A far cry from Pulis’ “it was nothing to do with Tunny” shtick of downplaying a player’s impact. Plenty of managers ease overseas signings in gently by limiting their game time early on. It’s again pretty standard stuff. I have to say that is the way I see the situation with Etebo, as well. It is easy to forget that managers (unlike us fans) see players in training every day and are best placed to understand when a player is "ready". Also easy to forget that Etebo was one of our players who reported late for pre season due to his efforts at the World Cup. So, we have a player who has moved countries and clubs, has had a shortened pre-season and is having to get used to a new culture, a new language on the training ground and is settling into a new home - be it a flat, a house or a hotel. Hardly surprising that he didn't set the world on fire in his Stoke debut. After that first game Rowett gave him a few minutes of cameo appearances before giving him 90 minutes yesterday. As far as I can see it paid off big time. Someone commented yesterday that he looked the most dynamic midfield performance since we had N'Zonzi and I doubt whether many Stokes will disagree. Like many Stokies I'm not 100% certain that Rowett is going to become a legendary Stoke manager - but I'm not going to give him one word of criticism for the way he has handled Etebo in his first few weeks at the club. We may have seen the new N'Zonzi. Whilst I am on the subject he looks like he may have finally bought a replacement for Whelan - in fact not just a replacement but a significant upgrade. Woods and Etebo look like the foundation of a very good midfield - an area which has been crying out for improvement. Everybody is making Woods sound like the next Pirhlo? I wonder how do many people can comment and be so sure....yes in the clips I have looks good but there is an awful lot of expectancy being put on the lad?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 26, 2018 18:02:20 GMT
I have to say that is the way I see the situation with Etebo, as well. It is easy to forget that managers (unlike us fans) see players in training every day and are best placed to understand when a player is "ready". Also easy to forget that Etebo was one of our players who reported late for pre season due to his efforts at the World Cup. So, we have a player who has moved countries and clubs, has had a shortened pre-season and is having to get used to a new culture, a new language on the training ground and is settling into a new home - be it a flat, a house or a hotel. Hardly surprising that he didn't set the world on fire in his Stoke debut. After that first game Rowett gave him a few minutes of cameo appearances before giving him 90 minutes yesterday. As far as I can see it paid off big time. Someone commented yesterday that he looked the most dynamic midfield performance since we had N'Zonzi and I doubt whether many Stokes will disagree. Like many Stokies I'm not 100% certain that Rowett is going to become a legendary Stoke manager - but I'm not going to give him one word of criticism for the way he has handled Etebo in his first few weeks at the club. We may have seen the new N'Zonzi. Whilst I am on the subject he looks like he may have finally bought a replacement for Whelan - in fact not just a replacement but a significant upgrade. Woods and Etebo look like the foundation of a very good midfield - an area which has been crying out for improvement. Everybody is making Woods sound like the next Pirhlo? I wonder how do many people can comment and be so sure....yes in the clips I have looks good but there is an awful lot of expectancy being put on the lad? I too can only go on the clips I have seen - plus the comments of Brentford fans who have watched him play for them. From what I can tell he is as good (or better) than Whelan at disrupting the opposition attacks and (crucially) he appears to have a much better range and accuracy of passing. If he lives up to that promise he will do for me.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 26, 2018 18:02:40 GMT
This thread has got me thinking, what is everyone's favourite toppings? Quite like a bit of spice on there personally. Pepperoni way too greasy. Pineapple is a strict no-no. Garlic butter instead of tomato Smoked ham double pineapple and red onion
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Post by stiggerstackle on Aug 26, 2018 18:09:28 GMT
This thread has got me thinking, what is everyone's favourite toppings? Quite like a bit of spice on there personally. Pepperoni way too greasy. Pineapple is a strict no-no. Garlic butter instead of tomato Smoked ham double pineapple and red onion You sir, are a filthy bastard, but I will be trying it!!! 😁
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 26, 2018 18:15:14 GMT
Garlic butter instead of tomato Smoked ham double pineapple and red onion You sir, are a filthy bastard, but I will be trying it!!! 😁 Yes I think I must be I always have garlic butter as allergic to tomatoes So usually make my own Sometimes mix a bit of Red Leicester with the mozzarella
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Post by metalhead on Aug 26, 2018 18:29:39 GMT
This should shit up every Stoke fan in the world. Tony Scholes has essentially appointed himself judge, jury and executioner.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 26, 2018 18:39:56 GMT
This should shit up every Stoke fan in the world. Tony Scholes has essentially appointed himself judge, jury and executioner. What should shit them up sorry? Have you read the whole thread?
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Post by gingerninja on Aug 26, 2018 18:40:09 GMT
Liam Lawrence saw Woods up close and is raving about him. For once we have a midfield platform to dominate games & dictate play. Surely that can't be a bad thing?!!!
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Post by femark1 on Aug 26, 2018 18:40:19 GMT
Of course he had a choice. Plus he was fulsome in his praise afterwards. A far cry from Pulis’ “it was nothing to do with Tunny” shtick of downplaying a player’s impact. Plenty of managers ease overseas signings in gently by limiting their game time early on. It’s again pretty standard stuff. I have to say that is the way I see the situation with Etebo, as well. It is easy to forget that managers (unlike us fans) see players in training every day and are best placed to understand when a player is "ready". Also easy to forget that Etebo was one of our players who reported late for pre season due to his efforts at the World Cup. So, we have a player who has moved countries and clubs, has had a shortened pre-season and is having to get used to a new culture, a new language on the training ground and is settling into a new home - be it a flat, a house or a hotel. Hardly surprising that he didn't set the world on fire in his Stoke debut. After that first game Rowett gave him a few minutes of cameo appearances before giving him 90 minutes yesterday. As far as I can see it paid off big time. Someone commented yesterday that he looked the most dynamic midfield performance since we had N'Zonzi and I doubt whether many Stokes will disagree. Like many Stokies I'm not 100% certain that Rowett is going to become a legendary Stoke manager - but I'm not going to give him one word of criticism for the way he has handled Etebo in his first few weeks at the club. We may have seen the new N'Zonzi. Whilst I am on the subject he looks like he may have finally bought a replacement for Whelan - in fact not just a replacement but a significant upgrade. Woods and Etebo look like the foundation of a very good midfield - an area which has been crying out for improvement. Getting used to a new language...am I missing something?
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Post by stokesupporter on Aug 26, 2018 18:47:25 GMT
He's not better than Whelan in his peak. Whelan was a regular starter in the Prem and Woods has been lately jus a squad player for Championship Brentford.
I'm not saying Woods will be bad player but some of you might expect a little bit too much from him.
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Post by AlliG on Aug 26, 2018 18:58:21 GMT
He's not better than Whelan in his peak. Whelan was a regular starter in the Prem and Woods has been lately jus a squad player for Championship Brentford. I'm not saying Woods will be bad player but some of you might expect a little bit too much from him. In his 3 seasons at Brentford, he has played 41 games, 42 games and 39 games in The Championship. Hardly a "squad player" at any time
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 26, 2018 19:01:03 GMT
He's not better than Whelan in his peak. Whelan was a regular starter in the Prem and Woods has been lately jus a squad player for Championship Brentford.I'm not saying Woods will be bad player but some of you might expect a little bit too much from him. He played 39 league games for Brentford last season and this season was not played in their first 4 league games because he and the club were negotiating a transfer to Swansea. Hardly "just a squad player."
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Post by stokesupporter on Aug 26, 2018 19:01:50 GMT
He's not better than Whelan in his peak. Whelan was a regular starter in the Prem and Woods has been lately jus a squad player for Championship Brentford. I'm not saying Woods will be bad player but some of you might expect a little bit too much from him. In his 3 seasons at Brentford, he has played 41 games, 42 games and 39 games in The Championship. Hardly a "squad player" at any time He has played one match this season for Brentford and that was in the League Cup. Hence the word "lately".
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Post by AlliG on Aug 26, 2018 19:26:02 GMT
In his 3 seasons at Brentford, he has played 41 games, 42 games and 39 games in The Championship. Hardly a "squad player" at any time He has played one match this season for Brentford and that was in the League Cup. Hence the word "lately". We are 3 weeks into the new season and your use of "squad player" comes across as suggesting that he is not good enough to get into the Brentford team. The Brentford manager said he left him out of the first game(s) because he was distracted by the transfer speculation.
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Post by rondogmcmuffin on Aug 26, 2018 19:29:10 GMT
This thread has got me thinking, what is everyone's favourite toppings? Quite like a bit of spice on there personally. Pepperoni way too greasy. Pineapple is a strict no-no. Just as spicy as possible for me. Big fan of spicy beef and jalapeno, glazed with chilli oil and BBQ base. Thin crust obviously.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 19:31:45 GMT
This thread has got me thinking, what is everyone's favourite toppings? Quite like a bit of spice on there personally. Pepperoni way too greasy. Pineapple is a strict no-no. Just as spicy as possible for me. Big fan of spicy beef and jalapeno, glazed with chilli oil and BBQ base. Thin crust obviously. Solid. <doffs cap>
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Post by rondogmcmuffin on Aug 26, 2018 19:33:12 GMT
Just as spicy as possible for me. Big fan of spicy beef and jalapeno, glazed with chilli oil and BBQ base. Thin crust obviously. Solid. <doffs cap> Honoured to had said cap doffed in my direction. Thank you sir
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Post by ravey123 on Aug 26, 2018 19:50:26 GMT
I have to say that is the way I see the situation with Etebo, as well. It is easy to forget that managers (unlike us fans) see players in training every day and are best placed to understand when a player is "ready". Also easy to forget that Etebo was one of our players who reported late for pre season due to his efforts at the World Cup. So, we have a player who has moved countries and clubs, has had a shortened pre-season and is having to get used to a new culture, a new language on the training ground and is settling into a new home - be it a flat, a house or a hotel. Hardly surprising that he didn't set the world on fire in his Stoke debut. After that first game Rowett gave him a few minutes of cameo appearances before giving him 90 minutes yesterday. As far as I can see it paid off big time. Someone commented yesterday that he looked the most dynamic midfield performance since we had N'Zonzi and I doubt whether many Stokes will disagree. Like many Stokies I'm not 100% certain that Rowett is going to become a legendary Stoke manager - but I'm not going to give him one word of criticism for the way he has handled Etebo in his first few weeks at the club. We may have seen the new N'Zonzi. Whilst I am on the subject he looks like he may have finally bought a replacement for Whelan - in fact not just a replacement but a significant upgrade. Woods and Etebo look like the foundation of a very good midfield - an area which has been crying out for improvement. Getting used to a new language...am I missing something? I thought that too - he's from Nigeria - isnt that the second most populous english speaking country in the world
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