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Post by metalhead on Apr 2, 2018 9:08:55 GMT
It is what it is.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 2, 2018 9:13:20 GMT
Discuss.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 2, 2018 9:15:27 GMT
We're going down because we're shit at football. Have had 2 wank managers and a board that couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 2, 2018 9:16:04 GMT
We're going down because we're shit at football. Have had 2 wank managers and a board that couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. Bayern, that wasn't my question. Answer my question.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 2, 2018 9:19:08 GMT
A bit. They fucked us against Liverpool, Everton and Arsenal for a start.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 2, 2018 9:19:33 GMT
We're going down because we're shit at football. Have had 2 wank managers and a board that couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. Bayern, that wasn't my question. Answer my question. It answers it perfectly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 9:21:19 GMT
A bit. Can't be arsed to quantify it but definitely a bit...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 9:21:29 GMT
None.
They make mistakes for every single team in the league throughout the course of the season.
There isn't a ridiculous conspiracy to see Stoke relegated, we have done it all by ourselves.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 2, 2018 9:22:47 GMT
Bayern, that wasn't my question. Answer my question. It answers it perfectly. Evasive as fuck, aren't you?
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Post by metalhead on Apr 2, 2018 9:23:39 GMT
None. They make mistakes for every single team in the league throughout the course of the season. There isn't a ridiculous conspiracy to see Stoke relegated, we have done it all by ourselves. Sorry? What conspiracy? I've not said that. I'm asking how much they've contributed to our relegation.
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Post by onionman on Apr 2, 2018 9:25:36 GMT
We've been shafted against the big clubs every season we've been in the top flight.
The difference this season is that it only takes one little thing to go against us and we fold like a pack of cards. And in the games against our peers when the ref hasn't been a factor we still lose or draw anyway.
So none whatsoever in my opinion.
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Post by stokie23 on Apr 2, 2018 9:25:58 GMT
I genuinely think 11 men on the pitch for the full game we beat Everton. Think we could have hung on to a point yesterday had they not been given the penalty & you could argue Adam should have been awarded a 2nd penalty when the Brighton player came through the back of him on the follow up ... that’s an extra 6 points there, which would now put us 15th
The flip side of that would be, there is no garantee we would have hung on to 0-0 yesterday, beaten Everton with 11 men and the initially penalty awarded against Brighton shouldn’t have been given.
Think the standard of refereeing this season has been appalling (how many prem refs going to the World Cup again) , but this won’t be looked back on as the season that the refs sent us down ...
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Post by johnbutlershair on Apr 2, 2018 9:31:45 GMT
Probably about 1%. The reasons why we are relegated is as follows:
Ridiculous transfer market decisions ie Wimmer Berahino
Ridiculous tactics throughout the season. Diouf at RB, Johnson as wing back, Berahino being given a squad number
The board hesitating to fire Hughes at a time when decent managers were available
Losing the the likes of Arnautovic, Nzonzi, Whelan, Walters and not replacing them adequately
The club being ran too much like a business and not enough like a football club
Lack of investment in the first team squad
And various other reasons. To blame refs is ridiculous
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 2, 2018 9:32:58 GMT
We're going down because we're shit at football. Have had 2 wank managers and a board that couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. Bayern, that wasn't my question. Answer my question. Not that much would appear to be his (correct) answer.
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Post by Marc01 on Apr 2, 2018 9:33:56 GMT
One of many many many contributing factors.
Our season is well summed up by the West Ham dive and penalty seconds after Ryan hit the post.
Though equally well by Ryan missing the opportunity to nod in a simple potential winner at Palace. He would have gobbled that up with his eyes closed a few years ago.
This isn't a dig at Ryan but it is a bit symbolic of our demise!
The escape from the Championship to the Premier league started in Wales (Ryan's winner on his debut on the opening day of the promotion season at Cardiff) and maybe our last Premier league game will be there too!
A strange coincidence. Even stranger when you think our last 2 games in our previous promotion season (2001/02) were in Cardiff.
Maybe all of the many many many factors have just combined in a perfect concoction of fate (sort of reverse of Leicester winning the league).
Then again maybe we won't go down...
Regardless, the season has been a monumental cock up!
The total failure of 3 majorly expensive signings (fees and wages) of the last couple of years is truly astonishing!
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Post by kidcrewbob on Apr 2, 2018 9:35:14 GMT
This season seems to have been a new low in refereeing standards generally - hugely inconsistent and displays of apparent bias.
That said, the blame for our demise lies at the feet of Hughes and those who allowed him to continue to practice even though the wheels had come off over 12 months previous.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 2, 2018 9:40:38 GMT
When we go down we will have to look beyond refs and we will hopefully undergo some serious retrospection which doesn't include considering luck as a factor. However, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that the three main decisions would not have been given in the reverse situations.
If Butland did what Mignolet did, Twatkicson would have broke his wrist in his haste to get his red card out. If Rooney had just caught Adam in horrendous conditions Twatkinson would have put an arm around him and said 'be careful Wayne' and produced a yellow at most and that twat yesterday would never have guessed at the other end. So in that respect there has been an influence, they wont even themselves out and referees in the Premier League can simply fuck off.
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Post by potterpaul on Apr 2, 2018 9:52:57 GMT
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Post by Absolution on Apr 2, 2018 9:54:29 GMT
We've been done over by refs every season. It's just that in the past we've left ourselves enough wriggle room for it not to affect us.
This season we'll probably go down needing just two or three points more, leaving us looking more accusingly at the men in black.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 2, 2018 9:55:04 GMT
Evasive as fuck, aren't you? Far from it. It's quite obvious what the reply means.
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Post by Miles Offside on Apr 2, 2018 9:58:23 GMT
Probably about 1%. The reasons why we are relegated is as follows: Ridiculous transfer market decisions ie Wimmer Berahino Ridiculous tactics throughout the season. Diouf at RB, Johnson as wing back, Berahino being given a squad number The board hesitating to fire Hughes at a time when decent managers were available Losing the the likes of Arnautovic, Nzonzi, Whelan, Walters and not replacing them adequately The club being ran too much like a business and not enough like a football club Lack of investment in the first team squad And various other reasons. To blame refs is ridiculous Excellent post.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Apr 2, 2018 10:05:01 GMT
Fucking hell, have I missed something? Have we played our last 6 games while I was asleep and been relegated already? Gouranga. ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/ibnJJzaA6ZhfTOIekEAf.gif)
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 2, 2018 10:06:24 GMT
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 2, 2018 10:08:08 GMT
It's fairly clear that poor decisions by officials can alter the results of games. It might well have happened to Crystal Palace on Saturday, when Mane was not sent off, in this case then the decision by the referee has indirectly helped us.
Supporters of every club think they are treated unfairly by officials, it's fairly cetain though that every club gets its share of bad decisions and they probably do even themselves out over a full season.
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Post by PolPotter on Apr 2, 2018 10:09:36 GMT
Go and analyse and get back to us with your findings and sharpish. Next daft thread, please...
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 2, 2018 10:11:54 GMT
A bit. They fucked us against Liverpool, Everton and Arsenal for a start. Charlie Adam fucked us against Everton. You missed out WHU. I think we'd be 3 points better off with good officiating. We'd be 6 points better off if we'd played a serious professional footballer when Adam has been in the team.
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Post by milky on Apr 2, 2018 10:13:25 GMT
A bit as certain big calls went against us at absolutely crucial periods during games but mostly we have been architects of our own downfall.
I'm sure when the inquest begins if we do go down that Coates will almost certainly mention luck being against us though.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Apr 2, 2018 10:15:00 GMT
Meh, I think it evens out over the course of a season.
We were lucky to get the pen that Charlie missed, we were unlucky to have the first pen given against us yesterday.
I think the difference is when the luck is with us, we don't take the chances because we're shite.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Apr 2, 2018 10:18:31 GMT
Yesterday probably evened out the home game against Arsenal when they could've had a penalty for the tackles from Diouf. There were 2 which could've been penalties in that game but at least they got the offside spot on.
I don't think we've had the rub of the green in any other game though.
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Post by andystokey on Apr 2, 2018 10:19:41 GMT
Not at all. I can think of a few examples where desicions went for us. Arguably the goal v Arsenal was marginally offside. Ryan gave away a pen at Brighton that wasnt given. I think the dive by WHU at home and the Mignolet desicions were worst against us. A good enough team and manager gets over those.
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