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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 1, 2018 16:35:05 GMT
It's why the big clubs didn't want VAR abd technology in the game. They would’ve still given it on VAR the daft twats, just like they ruled that clearly onside Man Utd goal offside in the cup. Absolute tools the lot of em. True, but then we'de be more justified to claim corruption rather than incompetence!
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Post by citynickscfc on Apr 1, 2018 16:40:56 GMT
You really can't blame the ref there. I'm not sure how he's meant to see that in full speed behind two players. any doubt you dont give it. your point enforces the concept of bias....so i presume you agree?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 16:54:28 GMT
You really can't blame the ref there. I'm not sure how he's meant to see that in full speed behind two players. any doubt you dont give it. your point enforces the concept of bias....so i presume you agree? There was no doubt for him. He didn't see Indi get the touch. To him, Indi has just stopped Ozil's foot. It's a pen until you slow it down. Very difficult to even think Indi touched it without cameras there. This reply goes for all above quotes of me.
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Post by citynickscfc on Apr 1, 2018 17:19:16 GMT
any doubt you dont give it. your point enforces the concept of bias....so i presume you agree? There was no doubt for him. He didn't see Indi get the touch. To him, Indi has just stopped Ozil's foot. It's a pen until you slow it down. Very difficult to even think Indi touched it without cameras there. This reply goes for all above quotes of me. He couldn't see it properly, camera proves that. There had to be doubt. He wanted to give it. You need to stop and think, assess your options before making the decision. That's what a good ref does. He didn't have to explain himself, validate his opinion or consult anyone. It was pre determined.
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Post by vahl on Apr 1, 2018 17:29:04 GMT
I have always sat on the fence with Referees because it is really hard to do. I have respected it. The pressure you are under to make split-second decisions and all that comes with getting it wrong (or even right) is a lot.
Today has seen something almighty special happen though. What we have seen is a Premier League appointed official drop his arse out in sheer panic at the thought of upsetting the apple cart. No more, no less.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 17:31:50 GMT
There was no doubt for him. He didn't see Indi get the touch. To him, Indi has just stopped Ozil's foot. It's a pen until you slow it down. Very difficult to even think Indi touched it without cameras there. This reply goes for all above quotes of me. He couldn't see it properly, camera proves that. There had to be doubt. He wanted to give it. You need to stop and think, assess your options before making the decision. That's what a good ref does. He didn't have to explain himself, validate his opinion or consult anyone. It was pre determined. I don't think that's true. Refs are shite but that's a pen at first glance. We're unlucky but it's not the ref's fault.
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Post by salopstick on Apr 1, 2018 17:56:32 GMT
There's no agenda to get rid of anyone in the Premier League. That's just a ridiculous and paranoid opinion. Absolutely agree 100% However it does seem we have been conspired against this season
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 1, 2018 18:00:49 GMT
He couldn't see it properly, camera proves that. There had to be doubt. He wanted to give it. You need to stop and think, assess your options before making the decision. That's what a good ref does. He didn't have to explain himself, validate his opinion or consult anyone. It was pre determined. I don't think that's true. Refs are shite but that's a pen at first glance. We're unlucky but it's not the ref's fault. It wasnt a penalty at first glance, 2nd glance or last glance. The only 3 people in the world that thought it was a penalty were you, alan smith and craig pawson.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 19:10:07 GMT
I don't think that's true. Refs are shite but that's a pen at first glance. We're unlucky but it's not the ref's fault. It wasnt a penalty at first glance, 2nd glance or last glance. The only 3 people in the world that thought it was a penalty were you, alan smith and craig pawson. It wasn't a pen. I'm saying i can see why the ref gave it, and it's harsh to say he's biased or cheating.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 1, 2018 19:17:28 GMT
It wasnt a penalty at first glance, 2nd glance or last glance. The only 3 people in the world that thought it was a penalty were you, alan smith and craig pawson. It wasn't a pen. I'm saying i can see why the ref gave it, and it's harsh to say he's biased or cheating. There is absolutely no defence for that shit house referee. He couldn't point to the spot quickly enough. He missed an assault on crouch and he could have booked 3 of their players for identical challenges to that which he booked allen for. He has his eyes in the cup final abd there was no way he was going to upset the big boys. He was extremely biased and ridiculously incompetent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 19:24:02 GMT
It wasn't a pen. I'm saying i can see why the ref gave it, and it's harsh to say he's biased or cheating. There is absolutely no defence for that shit house referee. He couldn't point to the spot quickly enough. He missed an assault on crouch and he could have booked 3 of their players for identical challenges to that which he booked allen for. He has his eyes in the cup final abd there was no way he was going to upset the big boys. He was extremely biased and ridiculously incompetent. Yep he made mistakes and was generally not very good. I don't think any decent ref on earth would say that's not a pen though in real time.
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 1, 2018 21:02:45 GMT
I have had enough of this shit. There has to be some sort of agenda to get rid of us. Totally outplayed the Arseholes for 70 mind. Never a penalty in a million years. Then all downhill from there. I feel like I’ll be glad for us to get out of this shit and play some proper football in the Championship The championship is shit. League 1 is where it’s at We’ll have a bash at getting there next season then heh ! 😁
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Post by britvic72 on Apr 1, 2018 21:52:08 GMT
I don't think that's true. Refs are shite but that's a pen at first glance. We're unlucky but it's not the ref's fault. It wasnt a penalty at first glance, 2nd glance or last glance. The only 3 people in the world that thought it was a penalty were you, alan smith and craig pawson. 4 people actually. The Arsehole fan I sat next to in the pub watching the game. Full blown row and even though ho accepted BMI got the ball he said it’s always a foul when you tackle from behind!! Bellend!!
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Post by numpty40 on Apr 1, 2018 22:00:21 GMT
The fact that not one English referee will be at the World Cup this summer tells you everything about the standard of referees in this country.
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Post by riverman on Apr 1, 2018 22:17:17 GMT
Just seen two challenges in the Spurs game that were as bad if not worse than the one Adam got sent off for. Not even a caution and yet twatto couldn't get his red out fast enough the other week. It stinks.
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Post by stokieinaus on Apr 1, 2018 22:21:17 GMT
The truth is, Arsenal were there for the taking in the first half and we were content on leaving with a draw. Its this type of attitude that will send us down. I agree it was never a penalty but we cant argue that our approach to the game was all wrong.
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Post by citynickscfc on Apr 2, 2018 5:05:10 GMT
The truth is, Arsenal were there for the taking in the first half and we were content on leaving with a draw. Its this type of attitude that will send us down. I agree it was never a penalty but we cant argue that our approach to the game was all wrong. First half disagree. Second arsenal came out and pushed us back, we needed to soak up pressure and did so until the corrupt imbecile got his way. It was quite clear he had an agenda with the lack of control over the game that he had, not talking to Arsenal players for dirty tackles, booking Stoke at the first offence... Then he got given a cherry and took it
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Post by malteser68 on Apr 2, 2018 5:34:43 GMT
The Refs.are corrupt,they may not be walking out of grounds with big fat brown envelopes,(although some might be). But they are all biased towards the top clubs,which in a way is corruption. The refs follow the agenda set by the FA Same as in the Leicester title winning season But when I spoke of corruption and hidden agendas then I was shot down by most on this board
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Post by ohbottom on Apr 2, 2018 7:24:03 GMT
The Refs.are corrupt,they may not be walking out of grounds with big fat brown envelopes,(although some might be). But they are all biased towards the top clubs,which in a way is corruption. The refs follow the agenda set by the FA Same as in the Leicester title winning season But when I spoke of corruption and hidden agendas then I was shot down by most on this board That'll be because it's utter bollocks. You have any idea how daft you sound?
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Post by Northy on Apr 2, 2018 7:27:49 GMT
I have had enough of this shit. There has to be some sort of agenda to get rid of us. Totally outplayed the Arseholes for 70 mind. Never a penalty in a million years. Then all downhill from there. I feel like I’ll be glad for us to get out of this shit and play some proper football in the Championship after watching the refs performance in the oxford v scunthorpe game at the weekend Id say Graham Scott is honest
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Post by loosestools on Apr 2, 2018 7:33:56 GMT
If hanging was still a statutory punishment in this country would an innocent man be doomed to the gallows because Judge Pawson made an error of judgement based on opinion and not a fact proven beyond doubt?
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Post by lifelong on Apr 2, 2018 7:43:49 GMT
Its not just Stoke, palace vs liverpool was the same, Liverpool should of had two red cards. Ref copped out on both the keeper and Mane. Does us a favour in this case though
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Post by PotterEd on Apr 2, 2018 7:48:28 GMT
VAR can't come soon enough. There is a clear and obvious bias in this league and while VAR won't eradicate it completely, it will be a big start in evening it out. With VAR, that penalty wouldn't have been given and Mane would have been sent off for Liverpool. There is still room for mistakes but definitely fewer than when we are relying on refs' integrity.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 8:33:36 GMT
Ref have a good guess/mould the table. Refs have said they decide a plan of action before games. Money orientated. When matches are aired around the world. Then the viewers have to be kept tuned in. Imagine the backlash if he doesn’t give that penalty today, the game finishes 0-0 and it turns out to actually be a penalty. 0-0 bore draw in a prime time Asia showing where Arsenal have a massive interest. It’s absolutely suicidal for the brand value of the Premier League. He’s given that decision because its 0-0 and he’s shat himself with fear of missing a penalty against a big team in a game that isn’t following the narrative. Wow...that's some deep level bullshit ![](https://media.giphy.com/media/ybG5Au3UhHv4k/giphy.gif)
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 2, 2018 8:41:17 GMT
The Refs.are corrupt,they may not be walking out of grounds with big fat brown envelopes,(although some might be). But they are all biased towards the top clubs,which in a way is corruption. The refs follow the agenda set by the FA Same as in the Leicester title winning season But when I spoke of corruption and hidden agendas then I was shot down by most on this board Your notion that the Leicester title win was fixed was ridiculous and embarrassing, that’s why.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 2, 2018 8:49:46 GMT
There is no corruption just gross ineptitude on behalf of our senior management
To borrow one from Bill Shankly
“I’d put em in jail if I could for defrauding fhe people “
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 8:50:37 GMT
Imagine the backlash if he doesn’t give that penalty today, the game finishes 0-0 and it turns out to actually be a penalty. 0-0 bore draw in a prime time Asia showing where Arsenal have a massive interest. It’s absolutely suicidal for the brand value of the Premier League. He’s given that decision because its 0-0 and he’s shat himself with fear of missing a penalty against a big team in a game that isn’t following the narrative. Wow...that's some deep level bullshit ![](https://media.giphy.com/media/ybG5Au3UhHv4k/giphy.gif) Why? There could be truth in that. Its all about the premier league brand and keeping the foreign subscribers happy. Millions of then support arsenal. If a ref pisses off arsenal he's done for
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 2, 2018 9:03:00 GMT
I was previously against VAR, but when you're awarded a penalty for kicking someone, you know something is wrong.
Would they use the "clear and obvious error" bit very sparingly, though?!
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Post by localloser on Apr 2, 2018 9:05:29 GMT
If you remember, it was Pawson who booked 5 Leicester players in the first half last season. Forget the paranoia, he's just an incompetent twat who loses his head when he has to make a decision.
And he's not (yet) in Styles's league...
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Post by Marc01 on Apr 2, 2018 9:07:52 GMT
There is absolutely no defence for that shit house referee. He couldn't point to the spot quickly enough. He missed an assault on crouch and he could have booked 3 of their players for identical challenges to that which he booked allen for. He has his eyes in the cup final abd there was no way he was going to upset the big boys. He was extremely biased and ridiculously incompetent. Yep he made mistakes and was generally not very good. I don't think any decent ref on earth would say that's not a pen though in real time. Real time or otherwise ... with that specific view that the ref had he could not give the penalty without guessing. There was some good analysis on MOTD. I don't believe for a second that he would have been so quick to give a penalty for the same incident at the other end. I have seen elsewhere that the pen described as harsh on Stoke. "Harsh" implies some sort of wrongdoing on the part of Bruno when there was no wrongdoing whatsoever. There are some totally nonsensical and bizarre claims that it was a tackle from behind! If that's a tackle from behind BMI isn't a Dutchman....
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