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Post by Absolution on Aug 29, 2018 12:52:23 GMT
Their fans getting impatient. Poor sods. They'll learn....... Welease Wodewick! Was thinking exactly the same.
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Imbula
Aug 29, 2018 12:56:28 GMT
Post by tony1234 on Aug 29, 2018 12:56:28 GMT
Do you think one day.... some day.... we might sell one of our players - without either taking a vast loss, or with the price at 30% of their real value? Didn't we do that with Arnie? Or do you think that £25 million was only 30% of his real value at the time? He was apparently worth 50m a year later... so perhaps 30% is over-egging in his case. ...but think he was/is at least a "Richarlison" and probably not far off a "Sigurdsson"
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Imbula
Aug 29, 2018 15:59:05 GMT
Post by shimmer on Aug 29, 2018 15:59:05 GMT
Finally
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Imbula
Aug 29, 2018 16:13:22 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 16:13:22 GMT
Because he has his pride he will not take a wage cut. Would you? N'Zonzi took a pay cut to leave Stoke, not all about money you know. Nzonzi ('s father) knew what he was doing. He knew there'd be a bigger pie waiting bye and bye. Imbula also knows what he's doing. His years as a pro is his opportunity to set himself up for life. He could be out of a job when his contract runs out here, so no way is he accepting a substantial wage cut. I'm not the person to define whether or not he knows how little chance he has of playing for a big club or playing for France or Belgium. I have my doubs, but not quite as many as some others on here. He certainly believes enough in himself to turn down the chance to play for an African nation (I've forgotten which). He also turned down the chance to play for Barcelona because he wants to play for Real Madrid, and until that happens he is happy to remain a Stoke player. Sorry, folks, that last sentence was a complete fabrication...
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Imbula
Aug 29, 2018 16:22:50 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 16:22:50 GMT
Following that description it's pretty clear you have no pride whatsoever in yourself. No doubt Imbula does not see himself as having been "utter dogshit". And he never was. He showed a lot of potential at times, I think he was another one that was completely mismanaged though - with the right arm around his shoulder I think there is a great footballer in there somewhere. I think it's the managements fault as much as Imbulas that he hasn't settled here, as we were willing to spend £18m on him you'd think we'd also be willing to give him a fair chance and make sure that he had all the support around him to ensure his time here was a success. This season would have been a perfect time to ease him back into the squad (as with Bojan and Berahino). There's certainly been a lot of unwelcome upheaval in his young life. He was 21 when Porto came in for him, and despite the interest, not to mention our money, from Stoke, it must be unsettling six months later to be moved on. Then he's greeted (and paid) like a star, and another six months later he's already persona non grata at his new club, and I don't know but there does not seem to have been much communication going on. MH doesn't speak French and G doesn't speak English, and the club didn't help with a language course. Shay Given is possibly entitled to be offended when someone doesn't say hello in the morning, but at the same time this really does seem like someone walking in small shoes...
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Imbula
Aug 29, 2018 16:31:09 GMT
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 29, 2018 16:31:09 GMT
He showed a lot of potential at times, I think he was another one that was completely mismanaged though - with the right arm around his shoulder I think there is a great footballer in there somewhere. I think it's the managements fault as much as Imbulas that he hasn't settled here, as we were willing to spend £18m on him you'd think we'd also be willing to give him a fair chance and make sure that he had all the support around him to ensure his time here was a success. This season would have been a perfect time to ease him back into the squad (as with Bojan and Berahino). There's certainly been a lot of unwelcome upheaval in his young life. He was 21 when Porto came in for him, and despite the interest, not to mention our money, from Stoke, it must be unsettling six months later to be moved on. Then he's greeted (and paid) like a star, and another six months later he's already persona non grata at his new club, and I don't know but there does not seem to have been much communication going on. MH doesn't speak French and G doesn't speak English, and the club didn't help with a language course. Shay Given is possibly entitled to be offended when someone doesn't say hello in the morning, but at the same time this really does seem like someone walking in small shoes... How do you know the club didn't help with a language course?
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Imbula
Aug 29, 2018 16:34:06 GMT
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Post by Absolution on Aug 29, 2018 16:34:06 GMT
There's certainly been a lot of unwelcome upheaval in his young life. He was 21 when Porto came in for him, and despite the interest, not to mention our money, from Stoke, it must be unsettling six months later to be moved on. Then he's greeted (and paid) like a star, and another six months later he's already persona non grata at his new club, and I don't know but there does not seem to have been much communication going on. MH doesn't speak French and G doesn't speak English, and the club didn't help with a language course. Shay Given is possibly entitled to be offended when someone doesn't say hello in the morning, but at the same time this really does seem like someone walking in small shoes... How do you know the club didn't help with a language course? We have. Spanish.
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Imbula
Aug 29, 2018 16:39:28 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 16:39:28 GMT
There's certainly been a lot of unwelcome upheaval in his young life. He was 21 when Porto came in for him, and despite the interest, not to mention our money, from Stoke, it must be unsettling six months later to be moved on. Then he's greeted (and paid) like a star, and another six months later he's already persona non grata at his new club, and I don't know but there does not seem to have been much communication going on. MH doesn't speak French and G doesn't speak English, and the club didn't help with a language course. Shay Given is possibly entitled to be offended when someone doesn't say hello in the morning, but at the same time this really does seem like someone walking in small shoes... How do you know the club didn't help with a language course? How do you know they did? If they did whoever did it did a bad job. Even a Belgian-cum-Frenchman can learn a few words... I've never heard any of our foreign players talk about doing language courses, so it seems natural to assume they haven't been on one. Our Danish boys don't need one, with their standard of school, where English is taught early on, they probably speak better English than some that have managed the club recently.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 29, 2018 16:52:28 GMT
How do you know the club didn't help with a language course? How do you know they did? If they did whoever did it did a bad job. Even a Belgian-cum-Frenchman can learn a few words... I've never heard any of our foreign players talk about doing language courses, so it seems natural to assume they haven't been on one. Our Danish boys don't need one, with their standard of school, where English is taught early on, they probably speak better English than some that have managed the club recently. I don't, which is why I wouldn't pre-suppose one way or the other. For all we know the club made every effort to help him, this is the club who has someone on hand when their highly strung star winger finds a spider in his bath... Maybe, and I'm going out on a limb here, he might just be responsible for his own actions, like an actual grown up?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 29, 2018 16:56:36 GMT
If I was uprooted to somewhere like Holland on a huge contract for 5 years, I'd do everything I could to ensure I fitted in, including learning Hollandish!
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 29, 2018 17:01:57 GMT
If I was uprooted to somewhere like Holland on a huge contract for 5 years, I'd do everything I could to ensure I fitted in, including learning Hollandish! Dunna werrit fella they speak better English than what I do 😁
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 29, 2018 17:20:39 GMT
If I was uprooted to somewhere like Holland on a huge contract for 5 years, I'd do everything I could to ensure I fitted in, including learning Hollandish! Dunna werrit fella they speak better English than what I do 😁 Was gonna ask Steve McClaren for some Hollandish lessons
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Aug 29, 2018 17:51:50 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 17:51:50 GMT
How do you know they did? If they did whoever did it did a bad job. Even a Belgian-cum-Frenchman can learn a few words... I've never heard any of our foreign players talk about doing language courses, so it seems natural to assume they haven't been on one. Our Danish boys don't need one, with their standard of school, where English is taught early on, they probably speak better English than some that have managed the club recently. I don't, which is why I wouldn't pre-suppose one way or the other. For all we know the club made every effort to help him, this is the club who has someone on hand when their highly strung star winger finds a spider in his bath... Maybe, and I'm going out on a limb here, he might just be responsible for his own actions, like an actual grown up? You might overestimating the maturity of modern day footballers...
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 29, 2018 19:32:50 GMT
Would've thouht all this would've been sorted out before we let him fly out for a medical? www.marca.com/futbol/rayo/2018/08/29/5b86d31d46163ffd698b4684.htmlAs Onda Cero said, Stoke City midfielder Gianneli Imbula is the one chosen to replace Fran Beltrán and, as MARCA has learned, he has already passed a medical examination . That yes, it is necessary to close the agreement with the English club, since they do not agree with the percentages in the payment of the tab of the soccer player.
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Imbula
Aug 29, 2018 19:35:55 GMT
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Post by neddy on Aug 29, 2018 19:35:55 GMT
Would've thouht all this would've been sorted out before we let him fly out for a medical? www.marca.com/futbol/rayo/2018/08/29/5b86d31d46163ffd698b4684.htmlAs Onda Cero said, Stoke City midfielder Gianneli Imbula is the one chosen to replace Fran Beltrán and, as MARCA has learned, he has already passed a medical examination . That yes, it is necessary to close the agreement with the English club, since they do not agree with the percentages in the payment of the tab of the soccer player.Absolutely just don’t believe we would have allowed him to travel without broad agreement?
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Imbula
Aug 29, 2018 19:40:17 GMT
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Aug 29, 2018 19:40:17 GMT
How do you know the club didn't help with a language course? How do you know they did? If they did whoever did it did a bad job. Even a Belgian-cum-Frenchman can learn a few words... I've never heard any of our foreign players talk about doing language courses, so it seems natural to assume they haven't been on one. Our Danish boys don't need one, with their standard of school, where English is taught early on, they probably speak better English than some that have managed the club recently. I remember Bojan tweeting about being on an English language course at Manchester uni. No idea if it was laid on by the club or not but why should it be? If I moved to another country for work, the first thing I'd do is enrol on a language course and take active steps to learn the lingo. Imbula couldn't be arsed- which nicely sums up his attitude towards football too.
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Imbula
Aug 29, 2018 19:40:49 GMT
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Post by Absolution on Aug 29, 2018 19:40:49 GMT
Would've thouht all this would've been sorted out before we let him fly out for a medical? www.marca.com/futbol/rayo/2018/08/29/5b86d31d46163ffd698b4684.htmlAs Onda Cero said, Stoke City midfielder Gianneli Imbula is the one chosen to replace Fran Beltrán and, as MARCA has learned, he has already passed a medical examination . That yes, it is necessary to close the agreement with the English club, since they do not agree with the percentages in the payment of the tab of the soccer player.Absolutely just don’t believe we would have allowed him to travel without broad agreement? Maybe we thought he could persuade them to pay his full wage with his winning smile and witty repartee.
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Imbula
Aug 29, 2018 20:03:55 GMT
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Post by neddy on Aug 29, 2018 20:03:55 GMT
Absolutely just don’t believe we would have allowed him to travel without broad agreement? Maybe we thought he could persuade them to pay his full wage with his winning smile and witty repartee. Lol
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Imbula
Aug 29, 2018 20:58:50 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 20:58:50 GMT
How do you know they did? If they did whoever did it did a bad job. Even a Belgian-cum-Frenchman can learn a few words... I've never heard any of our foreign players talk about doing language courses, so it seems natural to assume they haven't been on one. Our Danish boys don't need one, with their standard of school, where English is taught early on, they probably speak better English than some that have managed the club recently. I remember Bojan tweeting about being on an English language course at Manchester uni. No idea if it was laid on by the club or not but why should it be? If I moved to another country for work, the first thing I'd do is enrol on a language course and take active steps to learn the lingo. Imbula couldn't be arsed- which nicely sums up his attitude towards football too. He might have needed a gentle push from someone in the right direction - but someone doesn't work at SCFC it would seem. I don't doubt that you would do exactly as you say, but you'd have to start somewhere. And if you don't know the language...
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 29, 2018 21:07:39 GMT
I don't, which is why I wouldn't pre-suppose one way or the other. For all we know the club made every effort to help him, this is the club who has someone on hand when their highly strung star winger finds a spider in his bath... Maybe, and I'm going out on a limb here, he might just be responsible for his own actions, like an actual grown up? You might overestimating the maturity of modern day footballers... And you are running out of excuses for the man.
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Imbula
Aug 29, 2018 23:49:00 GMT
Post by kustokie on Aug 29, 2018 23:49:00 GMT
How do you know the club didn't help with a language course? How do you know they did? If they did whoever did it did a bad job. Even a Belgian-cum-Frenchman can learn a few words... I've never heard any of our foreign players talk about doing language courses, so it seems natural to assume they haven't been on one. Our Danish boys don't need one, with their standard of school, where English is taught early on, they probably speak better English than some that have managed the club recently. I recall Bojan took English courses when he first joined Stoke.
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Aug 29, 2018 23:58:35 GMT
Post by harryburrows on Aug 29, 2018 23:58:35 GMT
He showed a lot of potential at times, I think he was another one that was completely mismanaged though - with the right arm around his shoulder I think there is a great footballer in there somewhere. I think it's the managements fault as much as Imbulas that he hasn't settled here, as we were willing to spend £18m on him you'd think we'd also be willing to give him a fair chance and make sure that he had all the support around him to ensure his time here was a success. This season would have been a perfect time to ease him back into the squad (as with Bojan and Berahino). There's certainly been a lot of unwelcome upheaval in his young life. He was 21 when Porto came in for him, and despite the interest, not to mention our money, from Stoke, it must be unsettling six months later to be moved on. Then he's greeted (and paid) like a star, and another six months later he's already persona non grata at his new club, and I don't know but there does not seem to have been much communication going on. MH doesn't speak French and G doesn't speak English, and the club didn't help with a language course. Shay Given is possibly entitled to be offended when someone doesn't say hello in the morning, but at the same time this really does seem like someone walking in small shoes... Failure to say good morning is not a language problem . Anybody can smile and say Bon jour or ola . Or perhaps learn to say good morning it's not hard is it
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Aug 30, 2018 5:41:56 GMT
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Post by spunkbubble on Aug 30, 2018 5:41:56 GMT
There's certainly been a lot of unwelcome upheaval in his young life. He was 21 when Porto came in for him, and despite the interest, not to mention our money, from Stoke, it must be unsettling six months later to be moved on. Then he's greeted (and paid) like a star, and another six months later he's already persona non grata at his new club, and I don't know but there does not seem to have been much communication going on. MH doesn't speak French and G doesn't speak English, and the club didn't help with a language course. Shay Given is possibly entitled to be offended when someone doesn't say hello in the morning, but at the same time this really does seem like someone walking in small shoes... How do you know the club didn't help with a language course? I was informed that the club tried to put Imbulla on an English course but he refused. Contrast this with Bojan and Muniesa who both threw themselves into learning the language. Sadly Imbulla demonstrates a consistent pattern whether it's towards playing football or learning a new language....he can't be arsed.
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Aug 30, 2018 6:03:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 6:03:23 GMT
How do you know they did? If they did whoever did it did a bad job. Even a Belgian-cum-Frenchman can learn a few words... I've never heard any of our foreign players talk about doing language courses, so it seems natural to assume they haven't been on one. Our Danish boys don't need one, with their standard of school, where English is taught early on, they probably speak better English than some that have managed the club recently. I remember Bojan tweeting about being on an English language course at Manchester uni. No idea if it was laid on by the club or not but why should it be? If I moved to another country for work, the first thing I'd do is enrol on a language course and take active steps to learn the lingo. Imbula couldn't be arsed- which nicely sums up his attitude towards football too. Bojan arranged that himself I believe? English-spanish private school place on Deansgate Manchester
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Aug 30, 2018 6:20:12 GMT
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Post by rawli on Aug 30, 2018 6:20:12 GMT
How do you know the club didn't help with a language course? I was informed that the club tried to put Imbulla on an English course but he refused. Contrast this with Bojan and Muniesa who both threw themselves into learning the language. Sadly Imbulla demonstrates a consistent pattern whether it's towards playing football or learning a new language....he can't be arsed. Should put it in contract of future signings. If you can't communicate with your work colleagues your performance will suffer.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 30, 2018 7:13:43 GMT
How do you know they did? If they did whoever did it did a bad job. Even a Belgian-cum-Frenchman can learn a few words... I've never heard any of our foreign players talk about doing language courses, so it seems natural to assume they haven't been on one. Our Danish boys don't need one, with their standard of school, where English is taught early on, they probably speak better English than some that have managed the club recently. I recall Bojan took English courses when he first joined Stoke. And he is confident enough to speak in English to the fans and media 👍
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 30, 2018 7:35:07 GMT
Would've thouht all this would've been sorted out before we let him fly out for a medical? www.marca.com/futbol/rayo/2018/08/29/5b86d31d46163ffd698b4684.htmlAs Onda Cero said, Stoke City midfielder Gianneli Imbula is the one chosen to replace Fran Beltrán and, as MARCA has learned, he has already passed a medical examination . That yes, it is necessary to close the agreement with the English club, since they do not agree with the percentages in the payment of the tab of the soccer player.Absolutely just don’t believe we would have allowed him to travel without broad agreement? I bet there was an agreement - or we had good reason to think there was. This sounds to me like a late attempt to move the goal posts by the new club - probably because if they divulged from the outset the full extent of their problems off the pitch, they would never have got as far with the deal as they have done. Hopefully another club who have been interested in him this summer step in to seal the deal or force the pace of the current negotiations.
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Aug 30, 2018 8:05:23 GMT
Post by tosh on Aug 30, 2018 8:05:23 GMT
How do you know the club didn't help with a language course? I was informed that the club tried to put Imbulla on an English course but he refused. Contrast this with Bojan and Muniesa who both threw themselves into learning the language. Sadly Imbulla demonstrates a consistent pattern whether it's towards playing football or learning a new language....he can't be arsed. It would appear from reading the French sporting press that we were duped when we signed Imbula. It appears that he has been manipulated by a dodgy agency with which his father has close links. Apparently he was ordered by his father to sign for Porto against his wishes, for an inflated fee, with a promise to sell him on again quickly at a profit. Allegedly a loan was arranged for Porto to enable them to buy him. They never intended to retain him, but to get their money back quickly plus a profit! He never wanted to come to England either, but came as part of the master plan for financial reasons. That is apparently why he has conducted himself in such a way as to guarantee a loan back to French or other continental club as quickly as possible, whilst drawing premier league wages Anyone who doubts this could try this link to French press coverage and google translate. It certainly seems to throw interesting light on the Imbula.mystery. Incidentally this Porto information was available in the French press before we signed him. Who was responsible for our due diligence before we went ahead for £18M? If Stoke City had bothered to read this could they have saved themselves from a disastrous signing? www.ledauphine.com/sport/2016/12/20/les-dessous-rocambolesques-du-transfert-d-imbula-de-l-om-a-porto
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Aug 30, 2018 8:11:01 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Aug 30, 2018 8:11:01 GMT
Spotted at their training ground this morning, so hopefully it's close.
Stoke City footballer Giannelli Imbula is already in Vallecas. The midfielder arrived this morning at the Ciudad Deportiva del Rayo Vallecano.
The franjirrojo set, for lack of officiality, signs the Belgian footballer. The midfielder has already passed recognition and will be a player of the rayista team in the next few hours.
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Aug 30, 2018 10:03:56 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 10:03:56 GMT
You might overestimating the maturity of modern day footballers... And you are running out of excuses for the man. I haven't used a single excuse so far, so there you are!
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