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Imbula
Aug 28, 2018 16:11:41 GMT
Post by luke2u on Aug 28, 2018 16:11:41 GMT
I remember how all praised him in his first games. I even bought a shirt with his name on.
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Imbula
Aug 28, 2018 16:18:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 16:18:52 GMT
It complicates the operation Imbula-Rayo VALLECANO. The player is in Madrid waiting for the closing of the deal but there are economic problems. His salary is pretty high, Rayo can't afford it all and Stoke doesn't want to take part in the chip. It's not ruled out but it paints hard Stoke playing hardball to get him to take a cut in his wages!
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Imbula
Aug 28, 2018 16:21:06 GMT
Post by rickyfullerbeer on Aug 28, 2018 16:21:06 GMT
The process in full swing. What an abomination.
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Post by Absolution on Aug 28, 2018 16:26:03 GMT
It complicates the operation Imbula-Rayo VALLECANO. The player is in Madrid waiting for the closing of the deal but there are economic problems. His salary is pretty high, Rayo can't afford it all and Stoke doesn't want to take part in the chip. It's not ruled out but it paints hard If he has any pride or self awareness he'll take a wage cut. I doubt he will.
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Imbula
Aug 28, 2018 16:29:09 GMT
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 28, 2018 16:29:09 GMT
It complicates the operation Imbula-Rayo VALLECANO. The player is in Madrid waiting for the closing of the deal but there are economic problems. His salary is pretty high, Rayo can't afford it all and Stoke doesn't want to take part in the chip. It's not ruled out but it paints hard If he has any pride or self awareness he'll take a wage cut. I doubt he will. Its not a transfer so thats not an option. Its about what percentage of his wage Rayo will take on.
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Imbula
Aug 28, 2018 16:32:37 GMT
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Post by Absolution on Aug 28, 2018 16:32:37 GMT
If he has any pride or self awareness he'll take a wage cut. I doubt he will. Its not a transfer so thats not an option. Its about what percentage of his wage Rayo will take on. Is that right? Surely if the new club won't pay the full wage and his home club won't pay any percentage while he's away then I would have thought there'd be an option open to the player to reduce his wage (while on loan) to resolve the issue.
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Imbula
Aug 28, 2018 16:35:43 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Aug 28, 2018 16:35:43 GMT
Every club has to take big hits on failed signings, but we seem to have made some real whoopers of late!!
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Imbula
Aug 28, 2018 16:36:00 GMT
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 28, 2018 16:36:00 GMT
Its not a transfer so thats not an option. Its about what percentage of his wage Rayo will take on. Is that right? Surely if the new club won't pay the full wage and his home club won't pay any percentage while he's away then I would have thought there'd be an option open to the player to reduce his wage (while on loan) to resolve the issue. No mate. His wage is stipulated by his contract. Only way to do it would be if he renegotiated his contract with us first. If the new club wont pay the percentage we want them too, then the loan simply doesn't happen.
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Imbula
Aug 28, 2018 17:47:02 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Aug 28, 2018 17:47:02 GMT
Is that right? Surely if the new club won't pay the full wage and his home club won't pay any percentage while he's away then I would have thought there'd be an option open to the player to reduce his wage (while on loan) to resolve the issue. No mate. His wage is stipulated by his contract. Only way to do it would be if he renegotiated his contract with us first. If the new club wont pay the percentage we want them too, then the loan simply doesn't happen. Not strictly true, players can agree reduced terms for the period of the loan, although its unusual. Wimmer allegedly made the decision for reduced wages so he got the loan move he wanted, which he has to take some credit for.
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Imbula
Aug 28, 2018 17:49:36 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 28, 2018 17:49:36 GMT
Is that right? Surely if the new club won't pay the full wage and his home club won't pay any percentage while he's away then I would have thought there'd be an option open to the player to reduce his wage (while on loan) to resolve the issue. No mate. His wage is stipulated by his contract. Only way to do it would be if he renegotiated his contract with us first. If the new club wont pay the percentage we want them too, then the loan simply doesn't happen. Don't think so he could have a side letter where he temporarily forgoes some of his salary
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Imbula
Aug 28, 2018 17:52:18 GMT
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Post by neddy on Aug 28, 2018 17:52:18 GMT
Surely wouldn’t let him travel if salary had not been agreed?
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Imbula
Aug 28, 2018 17:54:44 GMT
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Post by lordb on Aug 28, 2018 17:54:44 GMT
Its not a transfer so thats not an option. Its about what percentage of his wage Rayo will take on. Is that right? Surely if the new club won't pay the full wage and his home club won't pay any percentage while he's away then I would have thought there'd be an option open to the player to reduce his wage (while on loan) to resolve the issue. An option he will be reluctant to take.
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Imbula
Aug 28, 2018 17:54:44 GMT
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Post by Absolution on Aug 28, 2018 17:54:44 GMT
I also saw a story about Ndiaye taking a wage cut to play for Galatasary, but that might have been when there was talk of him making a permanent move.
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Imbula
Aug 28, 2018 17:57:56 GMT
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Post by Absolution on Aug 28, 2018 17:57:56 GMT
Is that right? Surely if the new club won't pay the full wage and his home club won't pay any percentage while he's away then I would have thought there'd be an option open to the player to reduce his wage (while on loan) to resolve the issue. An option he will be reluctant to take. A point I made earlier which sparked the question as to whether the option was available.
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Imbula
Aug 28, 2018 17:58:59 GMT
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Post by Absolution on Aug 28, 2018 17:58:59 GMT
Surely wouldn’t let him travel if salary had not been agreed? He's got nowt else to do with his time other than feeding the ducks.
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Imbula
Aug 28, 2018 18:00:10 GMT
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Post by neddy on Aug 28, 2018 18:00:10 GMT
Surely wouldn’t let him travel if salary had not been agreed? He's got nowt else to do with his time other than feeding the ducks. Wouldn’t it be great for once if someone came out and send we hadn’t been shafted!
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Imbula
Aug 28, 2018 19:58:55 GMT
Post by tony1234 on Aug 28, 2018 19:58:55 GMT
Do you think one day.... some day.... we might sell one of our players - without either taking a vast loss, or with the price at 30% of their real value?
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Imbula
Aug 28, 2018 20:11:39 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 20:11:39 GMT
I was absolutely slaughtered on here for saying he was our biggest flop since Kitson, after he'd played 10 games for us. Granted since him we've arguably had two worse with Diaye and Wimmer - but still. Bow down to me! I will slaughter you if you say that again! That's a promise... Give him a chance first.
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Imbula
Aug 28, 2018 20:17:28 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 20:17:28 GMT
It complicates the operation Imbula-Rayo VALLECANO. The player is in Madrid waiting for the closing of the deal but there are economic problems. His salary is pretty high, Rayo can't afford it all and Stoke doesn't want to take part in the chip. It's not ruled out but it paints hard If he has any pride or self awareness he'll take a wage cut. I doubt he will. Because he has his pride he will not take a wage cut. Would you?
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 29, 2018 8:03:19 GMT
gianlucadimarzio.com/en/stoke-city-midfielder-imbula-set-to-sign-for-rayo-vallecanoIt is expected today, in fact, the signature with Rayo Vallecano, newly promoted team in Liga after the winning ride in the Liga 2 last year. This is an operation carried out and concluded by Giuliani sports ltd and the Congolese intermediary Vivien Mangela. The player also had other offers, but he rated the Spanish club's project better than any of the others.
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Imbula
Aug 29, 2018 8:10:15 GMT
Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 29, 2018 8:10:15 GMT
Do you think one day.... some day.... we might sell one of our players - without either taking a vast loss, or with the price at 30% of their real value? Didn't we do that with Arnie? Or do you think that £25 million was only 30% of his real value at the time?
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Imbula
Aug 29, 2018 12:22:51 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Aug 29, 2018 12:22:51 GMT
As announced by @rmcsport, Imbula spent the medical visit yesterday, and should well engage with @rayovallecano. One year loan.
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Imbula
Aug 29, 2018 12:30:54 GMT
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Post by Absolution on Aug 29, 2018 12:30:54 GMT
If he has any pride or self awareness he'll take a wage cut. I doubt he will. Because he has his pride he will not take a wage cut. Would you? To go somewhere where I was wanted and could hopefully display my talents after failing miserably to do so for years and earning an absolute fortune for being utter dogshit? Yeah, I would.
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Imbula
Aug 29, 2018 12:36:23 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 12:36:23 GMT
Because he has his pride he will not take a wage cut. Would you? To go somewhere where I was wanted and could hopefully display my talents after failing miserably to do so for years and earning an absolute fortune for being utter dogshit? Yeah, I would. Following that description it's pretty clear you have no pride whatsoever in yourself. No doubt Imbula does not see himself as having been "utter dogshit". And he never was.
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Imbula
Aug 29, 2018 12:38:17 GMT
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Post by Absolution on Aug 29, 2018 12:38:17 GMT
To go somewhere where I was wanted and could hopefully display my talents after failing miserably to do so for years and earning an absolute fortune for being utter dogshit? Yeah, I would. Following that description it's pretty clear you have no pride whatsoever in yourself. No doubt Imbula does not see himself as having been "utter dogshit". And he never was. You're weird.
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Imbula
Aug 29, 2018 12:40:19 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 29, 2018 12:40:19 GMT
If he has any pride or self awareness he'll take a wage cut. I doubt he will. Because he has his pride he will not take a wage cut. Would you? N'Zonzi took a pay cut to leave Stoke, not all about money you know.
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Imbula
Aug 29, 2018 12:44:44 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 12:44:44 GMT
To go somewhere where I was wanted and could hopefully display my talents after failing miserably to do so for years and earning an absolute fortune for being utter dogshit? Yeah, I would. Following that description it's pretty clear you have no pride whatsoever in yourself. No doubt Imbula does not see himself as having been "utter dogshit". And he never was. He showed a lot of potential at times, I think he was another one that was completely mismanaged though - with the right arm around his shoulder I think there is a great footballer in there somewhere. I think it's the managements fault as much as Imbulas that he hasn't settled here, as we were willing to spend £18m on him you'd think we'd also be willing to give him a fair chance and make sure that he had all the support around him to ensure his time here was a success. This season would have been a perfect time to ease him back into the squad (as with Bojan and Berahino).
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Imbula
Aug 29, 2018 12:46:36 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Aug 29, 2018 12:46:36 GMT
Their fans getting impatient. Poor sods. They'll learn.......
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 29, 2018 12:48:45 GMT
Their fans getting impatient. Poor sods. They'll learn....... Welease Wodewick!
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Imbula
Aug 29, 2018 12:51:41 GMT
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Post by Absolution on Aug 29, 2018 12:51:41 GMT
Following that description it's pretty clear you have no pride whatsoever in yourself. No doubt Imbula does not see himself as having been "utter dogshit". And he never was. He showed a lot of potential at times, I think he was another one that was completely mismanaged though - with the right arm around his shoulder I think there is a great footballer in there somewhere. I think it's the managements fault as much as Imbulas that he hasn't settled here, as we were willing to spend £18m on him you'd think we'd also be willing to give him a fair chance and make sure that he had all the support around him to ensure his time here was a success. This season would have been a perfect time to ease him back into the squad (as with Bojan and Berahino). He looked awesome for the first month or so, but then seemed to fall off a cliff. I have concerns about how players are sometimes treated here - hence my question about Choupo on the other thread a few minutes ago. In Imbula's case though, he just comes across as someone who isn't prepared to integrate or do the basics. No player can be allowed to let opposition players saunter past them like he does. Even his 100% one-footedness makes you question his application and desire to better himself. It's a real shame because that one foot can be a wand. It can't make up for other deficiences though.
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