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Post by tony1234 on Aug 26, 2018 12:21:08 GMT
Why is this useless french fuck still at the club ? Because the useless fucks at our club paid about 3-4 times too much for him on both fees and wages and noone else is that stupid to pay us or him anything close.
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Aug 26, 2018 13:41:19 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 13:41:19 GMT
Circumstances? ""If we fail to loan him out and if we continue to underperform in the league we could see him yet." Imbula is under contract with us for at least three years - more if he has an option for another year. If we can't sell him, no one's remotely interested in borrowing him, are we then going to have him "corrupt" (if that's what he does) the Academy for a whole 3-4 seasons? At some point a line has to be drawn in the sand, and to be honest, I thought that that would happen with a manager who claimed to be willing to be giving everybody a chance. Berahino's had more chances than he has, and Berahino has acted more unprofessionally too, so with Berahino now playing three games in a row without doing what we bought him for, just why is Imbula being singled out negatively. We haven't bought 18 midfielders, and for those that we have bought we don't know yet if they will fit in. If we continue to struggle, then Imbula does have the ability to come on and change things. Just don't play him as a dm, play him with a designated dm behind him, and don't play him together with Bojan. They are very different but their role in the team is very similar. Ok mate fair enough. That's your opinion. But as far as I can see it's based on nothing more than your gut instinct. When was the last time you saw him play or even train? Whilst I don't profess to be an expert on Imbula's career it is fairly obvious that he has flattered to deceive wherever he's been. If he's so good why did Marseille offload him after only 2 years to Porto? If he's the complete midfielder why could Porto not wait to get rid to us after only SEVEN months? Yes in his first few games for us he looked like the answer to our prayers but then what? Utter dross, that's what and clearly he could be as arsed in training as much as he was on his rare foray's onto the pitch. If he's the talent to get us out of the Championship why didn't Toulouse sign him or even want him back on loan this season? Indeed why has there been not a sniff of interest this summer even though I'm sure we'd let him go at a massive loss? The answer is because he's a massive wastrel. He can't be arsed. He shown that on the pitch for us. And I suspect he shows that in training as well. There's no doubt he's got talent but he's a total useless tosser. And useless tossers are what we don't need at the moment. If we can't con some gullible foreign club into taking him off our hands I would suck the mop and pay his contract up simply to get rid of him. I certainly don't want him training with our kids corrupting them with his negativity. He represents part of what I detest about modern football. You compare him to Berahino and yes he has been (probably still is) a tosser but have you seen him recently? He runs his bollocks off for our club and by all accounts he is a model pro in training. I can live with someone who has a colourful private life (Huddy springs immediately to mind) as long as they do the business on the pitch. Perhaps Berahino has been given another chance and Imbula singled out negatively because the new manager can see that Berahino is trying his hardest to regain his form and if he carries on like he has been then goals will surely come. If Imbula were prepared to do that then I'd be prepared to accept the manager giving him another chance but he won't because he doesn't give a fuck. By the way has he managed to learn any English words yet? And of course you're right we haven't got 18 central midfielders I was being sarcastic.....we've only got 16. And you still haven't told me which of the 14 or so you'd pick Imbula ahead of and what sort of message that would send to those players, particularly the younger players like Verlinden and Sorensen? I suspect we're not going to see eye to eye on this subject and feel free to reply. I'll read your response with interest but I'm afraid I'm not going to waste any more of my time on this bone idle waste of bagging who has conned our football club out of millions. As you suggest I haven't seen him in a Stoke shirt for quite a while and that's because he' hasn't played in a Stoke shirt for quite a while. I did manage to watch him on satelite tv for Touluse (sp?) and while he didn't exactly run around like the headless chicken that some Stoke supporters idolise - Berahino seems to have won you over on account of exactly that - he did show he remains a skillful player but in a struggling team. I think your obvious distaste for the player borders on ignorance or worse. Aguero apparently has an English vocabulary of some fifty words despite living in the country for several years and it doesn't stop him from being first choice for Citeh even if he too seems lazy at times. But at Stoke we can't afford to give the player a chance, because he doesn't say good morning. I will admit his body language probably goes against him, but you know, looks can be deceiving. I'm about the same height and body build (well to be honest I'm probably a little heavier) and I can't count the amount of times I've been called lazy just because of the way I move. As you say he looked good when he first arrived, but then something changed. I think MH tried to turn him into something he wasn't, and that's not really Imbula's fault. That said Imbula hasn't helped himself, by keeping himself to himself, although that was something Bowen said at the time was okay. As I've already stated countless times we might recall him if other players fail to do the business, and some already have, but I'm not suggesting that he's first in line to replace the names that have played so far. Personally I would like nothing more than seeing Lasse and Thibaud being given an opportunity to establish themselves, at least in the matchday squad, but there isn't much in GR's selections that suggests that that is about to happen. Moreover neither of those players play where Imbula might make an impact. It's not too easy to define which system GR prefers from his first five games, so I will say he has shown himself to be tactically flexible. He does however seem to follow the traditional emphasis on two wide players. I'm suggesting there might be a situation in a game, where at halftime or some later point in the second half we might dispense with the orthodox wingplay and send on Imbula as an impact sub to play as a leftsided attacking midfielder either replacing Mcclean or the current Berahino position (I don't see Saido lasting long, no matter how much he runs he's never going to score, it's as simple as that, so that position is up for grabs, but Bojan is probably first in line for that) - sort of to play in a similar fashion as Davide Silva. I would not send him on for Allen. They are just not alike in any way, even if he's been poor, his energy levels and running is not something you will see from Imbula. But G might just score goals and make decisive passes, and that's exactly what we need.
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Imbula
Aug 26, 2018 13:43:36 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 13:43:36 GMT
You're right. He hasn't gone on loan, he doesn't play in u-23 games and he doesn't train with the first team, so "He didn't" get to apply himself. He did go on loan last season and he was rubbish. What’s changed? Do you understand present tense?
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Imbula
Aug 26, 2018 13:51:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 13:51:26 GMT
What a sorry, sad sack of piss and wind this excuse for a football player must really be. Where is his pride ? What must his scum sucking parasite of an agent be thinking ? JUST HOW can either of these shysters even look in the mirror ? and lastly Why oh why, cant a club just sack such total fucking wasters ? Talk about being employed under false pretences.- This one definitely needs to go to litigation I reckon.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 26, 2018 13:56:40 GMT
Ok mate fair enough. That's your opinion. But as far as I can see it's based on nothing more than your gut instinct. When was the last time you saw him play or even train? Whilst I don't profess to be an expert on Imbula's career it is fairly obvious that he has flattered to deceive wherever he's been. If he's so good why did Marseille offload him after only 2 years to Porto? If he's the complete midfielder why could Porto not wait to get rid to us after only SEVEN months? Yes in his first few games for us he looked like the answer to our prayers but then what? Utter dross, that's what and clearly he could be as arsed in training as much as he was on his rare foray's onto the pitch. If he's the talent to get us out of the Championship why didn't Toulouse sign him or even want him back on loan this season? Indeed why has there been not a sniff of interest this summer even though I'm sure we'd let him go at a massive loss? The answer is because he's a massive wastrel. He can't be arsed. He shown that on the pitch for us. And I suspect he shows that in training as well. There's no doubt he's got talent but he's a total useless tosser. And useless tossers are what we don't need at the moment. If we can't con some gullible foreign club into taking him off our hands I would suck the mop and pay his contract up simply to get rid of him. I certainly don't want him training with our kids corrupting them with his negativity. He represents part of what I detest about modern football. You compare him to Berahino and yes he has been (probably still is) a tosser but have you seen him recently? He runs his bollocks off for our club and by all accounts he is a model pro in training. I can live with someone who has a colourful private life (Huddy springs immediately to mind) as long as they do the business on the pitch. Perhaps Berahino has been given another chance and Imbula singled out negatively because the new manager can see that Berahino is trying his hardest to regain his form and if he carries on like he has been then goals will surely come. If Imbula were prepared to do that then I'd be prepared to accept the manager giving him another chance but he won't because he doesn't give a fuck. By the way has he managed to learn any English words yet? And of course you're right we haven't got 18 central midfielders I was being sarcastic.....we've only got 16. And you still haven't told me which of the 14 or so you'd pick Imbula ahead of and what sort of message that would send to those players, particularly the younger players like Verlinden and Sorensen? I suspect we're not going to see eye to eye on this subject and feel free to reply. I'll read your response with interest but I'm afraid I'm not going to waste any more of my time on this bone idle waste of bagging who has conned our football club out of millions. As you suggest I haven't seen him in a Stoke shirt for quite a while and that's because he' hasn't played in a Stoke shirt for quite a while. I did manage to watch him on satelite tv for Touluse (sp?) and while he didn't exactly run around like the headless chicken that some Stoke supporters idolise - Berahino seems to have won you over on account of exactly that - he did show he remains a skillful player but in a struggling team. I think your obvious distaste for the player borders on ignorance or worse. Aguero apparently has an English vocabulary of some fifty words despite living in the country for several years and it doesn't stop him from being first choice for Citeh even if he too seems lazy at times. But at Stoke we can't afford to give the player a chance, because he doesn't say good morning. I will admit his body language probably goes against him, but you know, looks can be deceiving. I'm about the same height and body build (well to be honest I'm probably a little heavier) and I can't count the amount of times I've been called lazy just because of the way I move. As you say he looked good when he first arrived, but then something changed. I think MH tried to turn him into something he wasn't, and that's not really Imbula's fault. That said Imbula hasn't helped himself, by keeping himself to himself, although that was something Bowen said at the time was okay. As I've already stated countless times we might recall him if other players fail to do the business, and some already have, but I'm not suggesting that he's first in line to replace the names that have played so far. Personally I would like nothing more than seeing Lasse and Thibaud being given an opportunity to establish themselves, at least in the matchday squad, but there isn't much in GR's selections that suggests that that is about to happen. Moreover neither of those players play where Imbula might make an impact. It's not too easy to define which system GR prefers from his first five games, so I will say he has shown himself to be tactically flexible. He does however seem to follow the traditional emphasis on two wide players. I'm suggesting there might be a situation in a game, where at halftime or some later point in the second half we might dispense with the orthodox wingplay and send on Imbula as an impact sub to play as a leftsided attacking midfielder either replacing Mcclean or the current Berahino position (I don't see Saido lasting long, no matter how much he runs he's never going to score, it's as simple as that, so that position is up for grabs, but Bojan is probably first in line for that) - sort of to play in a similar fashion as Davide Silva. I would not send him on for Allen. They are just not alike in any way, even if he's been poor, his energy levels and running is not something you will see from Imbula. But G might just score goals and make decisive passes, and that's exactly what we need. Fella I didn't intend replying but I simply can't let this fucker go. If you're implying with that line that I'm in any way racist then you'd better clarify or fucking retract it pronto. I dislike Imbula because he's a wastrel who's taking the piss out of our club and us supporters and the fact that he has failed to integrate himself into the changing room or the language is simply a symptom of that. It has absolutely fucking nothing to do with the colour of his skin. This is definitely my last comment on the subject and I hope you and G live a long and happy life together somewhere nowhere near Stoke City Football Club.
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Imbula
Aug 26, 2018 13:58:45 GMT
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Post by TexasPotter on Aug 26, 2018 13:58:45 GMT
Who? 😛
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 26, 2018 14:08:31 GMT
He did go on loan last season and he was rubbish. What’s changed? Do you understand present tense? Yes. Do you understand the concept of drawing conclusions based on evidence? You’ve managed to completely absolve him of any responsibility for his failure over the last few years. He’s been the record signing for two clubs in a row who wanted him gone within a year. His loan spell saw Toulouse fans write an open letter to him asking him to put some effort in and his manager call him a disgrace. You seem to be suggesting that none of that, nor his numerous poor performances with us, count, but his handful of good ones nearly three years ago do. How does that work? As for the ‘sort of player he is’, what is that exactly? He hasn’t got a defensive instinct to play DM, he’s painfully one footed and he has something like three career assists, so he isn’t a creative type either...
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Post by MooG on Aug 26, 2018 17:36:26 GMT
No (in answer to the original question)
We've got a new manager who has presumably seen Imbula play in some form and decided - not only to leave him out of the side; but to bring in four more players to join the multitude vying for slots in our midfield.
These don't seem the actions of a man who will be looking to Imbula for answers any time soon.
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Aug 26, 2018 17:50:01 GMT
Post by metalhead on Aug 26, 2018 17:50:01 GMT
I think a fully fit and interested Imbula would be top class in this league and good enough in the Prem. It's obvious he doesn't give a fuck though. I hear he still hasn't tried to learn English and is reportedly very distant from the other lads in the squad. It's a shame how it turned out really, isn't it? What a player we had for 3 or 4 games at the start?
Ah well...
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Aug 26, 2018 18:00:40 GMT
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Post by banksofengland on Aug 26, 2018 18:00:40 GMT
The question was will we see imbula again? The answer is no.
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Aug 26, 2018 18:07:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 18:07:08 GMT
I wouldnt even have this living bag of shit putting the cones out
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Aug 26, 2018 18:59:28 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Aug 26, 2018 18:59:28 GMT
Local Spanish radio journo seems to be suggesting he's going to Rayo Vallecano on loan. If true, doubt they're making much more than a nominal contribution to his wages - but don't suppose beggars can be choosers.
News | The Rayo Vallecano gets the transfer of the Belgian midfielder Giannelli Imbula, coming from Stoke City.
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Aug 26, 2018 19:03:36 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 26, 2018 19:03:36 GMT
Local Spanish radio journo seems to be suggesting he's going to Rayo Vallecano on loan. If true, doubt they're making much more than a nominal contribution to his wages - but don't suppose beggars can be choosers. News | The Rayo Vallecano gets the transfer of the Belgian midfielder Giannelli Imbula, coming from Stoke City. Hypothetically, if we were to make him available as a free transfer, is there anybody, anywhere, who you would think might be prepared to take over his contract?
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Aug 26, 2018 19:08:55 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 19:08:55 GMT
Local Spanish radio journo seems to be suggesting he's going to Rayo Vallecano on loan. If true, doubt they're making much more than a nominal contribution to his wages - but don't suppose beggars can be choosers. News | The Rayo Vallecano gets the transfer of the Belgian midfielder Giannelli Imbula, coming from Stoke City. Somebody’s head should have rolled for spending £18m on him, it’s scandalous.
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Aug 26, 2018 19:23:59 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Aug 26, 2018 19:23:59 GMT
Local Spanish radio journo seems to be suggesting he's going to Rayo Vallecano on loan. If true, doubt they're making much more than a nominal contribution to his wages - but don't suppose beggars can be choosers. News | The Rayo Vallecano gets the transfer of the Belgian midfielder Giannelli Imbula, coming from Stoke City. Hypothetically, if we were to make him available as a free transfer, is there anybody, anywhere, who you would think might be prepared to take over his contract? You'd have to say not, wouldn't you? I'm sure we've been open to any deal that wouldn't make us look stupid, and even deals that would make us look a bit stupid. He's on the kind of money for the next 3 years that top players are on, and the only clubs interested are small fry. At the moment, hard not to see him seeing out his deal here, and sadly how many more of our lot is that true of? Imbula 3 more Bojan 2 more Choupo 2 more Wimmer 4 more (Hannover aren't going to take the option, are they?) Berahino 4 more It'd be interesting to know how many of that lot have had sizeable relegation wage reductions though. Butland's was reported to be 50%, so wonder if they all have had similar? If Imbula's wages have dropped to about 30/35, it would open up more possibilities.
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Aug 26, 2018 19:25:04 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 19:25:04 GMT
Local Spanish radio journo seems to be suggesting he's going to Rayo Vallecano on loan. If true, doubt they're making much more than a nominal contribution to his wages - but don't suppose beggars can be choosers. News | The Rayo Vallecano gets the transfer of the Belgian midfielder Giannelli Imbula, coming from Stoke City. Somebody’s head should have rolled for spending £18m on him, it’s scandalous. It did roll, last January.
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Aug 26, 2018 19:35:29 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 26, 2018 19:35:29 GMT
Hypothetically, if we were to make him available as a free transfer, is there anybody, anywhere, who you would think might be prepared to take over his contract? You'd have to say not, wouldn't you? I'm sure we've been open to any deal that wouldn't make us look stupid, and even deals that would make us look a bit stupid. He's on the kind of money for the next 3 years that top players are on, and the only clubs interested are small fry. At the moment, hard not to see him seeing out his deal here, and sadly how many more of our lot is that true of? Imbula 3 more Bojan 2 more Choupo 2 more Wimmer 4 more (Hannover aren't going to take the option, are they?) Berahino 4 more It'd be interesting to know how many of that lot have had sizeable relegation wage reductions though. Butland's was reported to be 50%, so wonder if they all have had similar? If Imbula's wages have dropped to about 30/35, it would open up more possibilities. It's incredible isn't it, that a player we paid £18 million for, we literally couldn't now even give away. And you're right, if we can't, then he's going to be here for the full 5.5 years, earning a fortune and offering us nothing.
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Aug 26, 2018 20:02:10 GMT
Post by banksisgod on Aug 26, 2018 20:02:10 GMT
I think it's generally agreed that the bloke has talent to burn, but appears to have no heart for a battle, and no desire to be at Stoke. However, there will always be clubs all over Europe who's form and circumstances will draw them to someone like Imbula.
Setting aside that the bloke is behaving like a complete tool, I imagine that he would prefer to be playing, somewhere. If he is not going to get near the match-day squad at Stoke, why don't we let him go to a club for, say, 3 games, free of charge, and we continue to pay his wages. If it doesn't work for him/them there, send him somewhere else for another 3 games, and keep going until someone decides that he is worth a more long-term punt.
The way things are, there is absolutely nothing to lose.
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Aug 26, 2018 20:08:54 GMT
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Post by Championship Potter on Aug 26, 2018 20:08:54 GMT
If we’re only getting a nominal contribution I don’t see why we don’t just loan him out short term in England? At least then we can get a feel for what we can do in the Championship and there’s a slim chance someone might get him firing again.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 26, 2018 20:19:20 GMT
as.com/futbol/2018/08/26/primera/1535311545_247530.htmlRayo Vallecano is close to closing the transfer of Giannelli Imbula (25 years old), midfielder of Stoke City, who last season played in French Toulouse. The player wanted to leave the British team, after the decline of Stoke City last season to the English Championship.
The player was of interest to Levante and Getafe , although the Vallecano team seems to be the one with the services of the French nationalized player, but born in Belgium. Imbula has been compared in England with Yaya Touré, for the style of play and physical bulk.
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Aug 26, 2018 20:25:28 GMT
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Post by lordb on Aug 26, 2018 20:25:28 GMT
If we’re only getting a nominal contribution I don’t see why we don’t just loan him out short term in England? At least then we can get a feel for what we can do in the Championship and there’s a slim chance someone might get him firing again. Because no one in England will want him.
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 26, 2018 20:29:57 GMT
Local Spanish radio journo seems to be suggesting he's going to Rayo Vallecano on loan. If true, doubt they're making much more than a nominal contribution to his wages - but don't suppose beggars can be choosers. News | The Rayo Vallecano gets the transfer of the Belgian midfielder Giannelli Imbula, coming from Stoke City. Hypothetically, if we were to make him available as a free transfer, is there anybody, anywhere, who you would think might be prepared to take over his contract? Worryingly, suspect we are still paying for him in installments and if you'd got 60k in wages to give out, that's goes a massive way in many European leagues.... which is why the best we can probably hope to do is loan him out each year, try and get the biggest loan fee we can and the biggest contribution paid to his wages we can. ... And then hope that his performances start to get some value back so that he does look a player that someone would pay 5m+ for... and the loss becomes more tolerable. The value of our squad - which is related to wages - shows what a challenge we have to offload poor players outside England. Our squad are are now about 3x more valuable than Celtic (which suggests we pay about that many times higher wages), over twice the value of Anderlecht, and 50% more than Nice, a little bigger than Sampdoria and about similar to Sporting Lisbon .... these are all what we might consider "big clubs", but the wages we pay are not matched in many places across Europe. Meanwhile the clubs that would or could pay those wages are challenging for European places and wouldn't want a waster like Imbula. The only long shot might be the highly monied Asian leagues - middle east or china - the only reason you'd go is probably money, but if he is earning millions sat on his bum in Stoke, its probably easier for him than learning a new language or challenging himself etc. The other leftfield thought was to find a similar problem child at another club and - if his head was okay - propose a swap for a season. The one that came to mind was McCormick at Villa. He might be completely wrong in reality, but on paper, would be a wide forward that could add to our fire power at this level. Meanwhile Villa want more youth in MF.
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Aug 26, 2018 20:30:01 GMT
Post by pottersrule on Aug 26, 2018 20:30:01 GMT
Local Spanish radio journo seems to be suggesting he's going to Rayo Vallecano on loan. If true, doubt they're making much more than a nominal contribution to his wages - but don't suppose beggars can be choosers. News | The Rayo Vallecano gets the transfer of the Belgian midfielder Giannelli Imbula, coming from Stoke City. Hypothetically, if we were to make him available as a free transfer, is there anybody, anywhere, who you would think might be prepared to take over his contract? Rowett said some time ago they were free to leave the club i assumed that meant for no fee.And still we have no takers,this twat is bleeding us dry. ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/MK1XRTh9jLIKdOoyx512.gif)
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Aug 26, 2018 20:52:41 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Aug 26, 2018 20:52:41 GMT
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Aug 26, 2018 22:02:30 GMT
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Post by Championship Potter on Aug 26, 2018 22:02:30 GMT
If we’re only getting a nominal contribution I don’t see why we don’t just loan him out short term in England? At least then we can get a feel for what we can do in the Championship and there’s a slim chance someone might get him firing again. Because no one in England will want him. I think the likes of Rotherham would bite our hands off for him. He’s still pretty young and think he will add a lot more than Cameron, Fletcher and Adam will this season if given the chance.
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Post by Absolution on Aug 26, 2018 22:09:18 GMT
Because no one in England will want him. I think the likes of Rotherham would bite our hands off for him. He’s still pretty young and think he will add a lot more than Cameron, Fletcher and Adam will this season if given the chance. Even Hannibal Lecter wouldn’t bite our hand off for Imbula.
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Aug 26, 2018 22:25:42 GMT
Post by Gods on Aug 26, 2018 22:25:42 GMT
Hypothetically, if we were to make him available as a free transfer, is there anybody, anywhere, who you would think might be prepared to take over his contract? Worryingly, suspect we are still paying for him in installments and if you'd got 60k in wages to give out, that's goes a massive way in many European leagues.... which is why the best we can probably hope to do is loan him out each year, try and get the biggest loan fee we can and the biggest contribution paid to his wages we can. ... And then hope that his performances start to get some value back so that he does look a player that someone would pay 5m+ for... and the loss becomes more tolerable. The value of our squad - which is related to wages - shows what a challenge we have to offload poor players outside England. Our squad are are now about 3x more valuable than Celtic (which suggests we pay about that many times higher wages), over twice the value of Anderlecht, and 50% more than Nice, a little bigger than Sampdoria and about similar to Sporting Lisbon .... these are all what we might consider "big clubs", but the wages we pay are not matched in many places across Europe. Meanwhile the clubs that would or could pay those wages are challenging for European places and wouldn't want a waster like Imbula. The only long shot might be the highly monied Asian leagues - middle east or china - the only reason you'd go is probably money, but if he is earning millions sat on his bum in Stoke, its probably easier for him than learning a new language or challenging himself etc. The other leftfield thought was to find a similar problem child at another club and - if his head was okay - propose a swap for a season. The one that came to mind was McCormick at Villa. He might be completely wrong in reality, but on paper, would be a wide forward that could add to our fire power at this level. Meanwhile Villa want more youth in MF. As things stand we are going to be racking up some serious debts this season, even with the 55% parachute payment.
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Aug 26, 2018 22:49:28 GMT
Post by tony1234 on Aug 26, 2018 22:49:28 GMT
Worryingly, suspect we are still paying for him in installments and if you'd got 60k in wages to give out, that's goes a massive way in many European leagues.... which is why the best we can probably hope to do is loan him out each year, try and get the biggest loan fee we can and the biggest contribution paid to his wages we can. ... And then hope that his performances start to get some value back so that he does look a player that someone would pay 5m+ for... and the loss becomes more tolerable. The value of our squad - which is related to wages - shows what a challenge we have to offload poor players outside England. Our squad are are now about 3x more valuable than Celtic (which suggests we pay about that many times higher wages), over twice the value of Anderlecht, and 50% more than Nice, a little bigger than Sampdoria and about similar to Sporting Lisbon .... these are all what we might consider "big clubs", but the wages we pay are not matched in many places across Europe. Meanwhile the clubs that would or could pay those wages are challenging for European places and wouldn't want a waster like Imbula. The only long shot might be the highly monied Asian leagues - middle east or china - the only reason you'd go is probably money, but if he is earning millions sat on his bum in Stoke, its probably easier for him than learning a new language or challenging himself etc. The other leftfield thought was to find a similar problem child at another club and - if his head was okay - propose a swap for a season. The one that came to mind was McCormick at Villa. He might be completely wrong in reality, but on paper, would be a wide forward that could add to our fire power at this level. Meanwhile Villa want more youth in MF. As things stand we are going to be racking up some serious debts this season, even with the 55% parachute payment. Yes, seems we are doing what Villa did, and not reduce our wage bill markedly in Yr 1. The bean-counters would feel a bit happier, i bet, if they could bank 12m+ for N'Diaye this coming week (and shunt one or two more, like ECM).... Can only think N'Diaye is quite close to going otherwise they wouldn't have sanctioned Woods, but goodness knows whats going on finance wise!.
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Post by Absolution on Aug 26, 2018 22:55:40 GMT
As things stand we are going to be racking up some serious debts this season, even with the 55% parachute payment. Yes, seems we are doing what Villa did, and not reduce our wage bill markedly in Yr 1. The bean-counters would feel a bit happier, i bet, if they could bank 12m+ for N'Diaye this coming week (and shunt one or two more, like ECM).... Can only think N'Diaye is quite close to going otherwise they wouldn't have sanctioned Woods, but goodness knows whats going on finance wise!. Or was Woods signed in a panic after Wednesday’s debacle? Beforehand it was very much said to be the case that we’d got to move Ndiaye on before we could sign Woods. As someone said, it was as though after the match, somebody high up had said “Just get it done FFS.”
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Imbula
Aug 26, 2018 23:04:41 GMT
Post by tony1234 on Aug 26, 2018 23:04:41 GMT
Yes, seems we are doing what Villa did, and not reduce our wage bill markedly in Yr 1. The bean-counters would feel a bit happier, i bet, if they could bank 12m+ for N'Diaye this coming week (and shunt one or two more, like ECM).... Can only think N'Diaye is quite close to going otherwise they wouldn't have sanctioned Woods, but goodness knows whats going on finance wise!. Or was Woods signed in a panic after Wednesday’s debacle? Beforehand it was very much said to be the case that we’d got to move Ndiaye on before we could sign Woods. As someone said, it was as though after the match, somebody high up had said “Just get it done FFS.” Well, the fact that it was done now - late August - would certainly give weight to that! If the club step back after relegation in May and said, "right, who stays & who goes in CM"... then it looks for much of the summer like there is no huge rush to get rid of Adam, Fletcher, Imbula, N'Diaye (even Cameron). Everyone at the club seems happy with Allen, Fletcher, N'Diaye and Etobo. Then the season starts - Leeds happens - Clucas arrives - the announcement that four can leave - rumours for Arter and then Woods comes... Yep, it looks a bit like the result of another Stoke "planning session" all round in the final week of the window.!
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