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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 21:18:03 GMT
Post by thebet365 on Oct 30, 2017 21:18:03 GMT
Some of the things I've read on this thread are an absolute pisser, made my night
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 21:18:28 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 30, 2017 21:18:28 GMT
Joe deserved yellow, Deeney red (the reaction was way beyond what was reasonable in all circumstances) - and no red and white tinted specs here! It is like the court case about a farmer shooting a burglar dead - yes, he may be trying to nick your stuff, but your response is meant to stop at preventing him doing that, not to shoot him dead! Same applies here. Depends what he's nicking.
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 21:26:13 GMT
Post by alster on Oct 30, 2017 21:26:13 GMT
Joe deserved yellow, Deeney red (the reaction was way beyond what was reasonable in all circumstances) - and no red and white tinted specs here! It is like the court case about a farmer shooting a burglar dead - yes, he may be trying to nick your stuff, but your response is meant to stop at preventing him doing that, not to shoot him dead! Same applies here. Depends what he's nicking. I think he's on about Tony Martin, his only mistake was he shot them in the back when they were running away, the fact that one died and one was wounded was of no consequence.
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 21:30:45 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Oct 30, 2017 21:30:45 GMT
Deeney’s BT interview is blowing up in his face week by week
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 21:33:06 GMT
Post by alster on Oct 30, 2017 21:33:06 GMT
Why being a lawyer in another country doesn't really mean you know more about a subject than someone who's been involved in violent situations on an almost daily basis and is educated in what actions will lead to prosecution and what won't. You never did come back with that case where self defence was vindicated and a person prosecuted for a single blow. And you never did answer my question that I asked first.... You claimed you could quote case law. I'm still waiting. I didn't ask you to make that claim.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 30, 2017 21:33:31 GMT
Deeney’s BT interview is blowing up in his face week by week Looks like he's had his face blown up before and then had it put back together with a spade.
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 21:35:35 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 30, 2017 21:35:35 GMT
Depends what he's nicking. I think he's on about Tony Martin, his only mistake was he shot them in the back when they were running away, the fact that one died and one was wounded was of no consequence. I was joking, Al. I seem to remember that the guy had a lot of sympathy at the time, though.
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 21:36:06 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 30, 2017 21:36:06 GMT
Deeney’s BT interview is blowing up in his face week by week Something has.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 30, 2017 21:36:44 GMT
Deeney’s BT interview is blowing up in his face week by week Looks like he's had his face blown up before and then had it put back together with a spade. Beat me to it, LG! 😁
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 21:37:11 GMT
Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 30, 2017 21:37:11 GMT
You really should read them and give your legal opinion on alsters summary, he knows more about the legalities of self defence than anyone else on here apparently... Why being a lawyer in another country doesn't really mean you know more about a subject than someone who's been involved in violent situations on an almost daily basis and is educated in what actions will lead to prosecution and what won't. You never did come back with that case where self defence was vindicated and a person prosecuted for a single blow. What did you do for a living then Al? Old Bill?
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 21:37:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 21:37:16 GMT
And you never did answer my question that I asked first.... You claimed you could quote case law. I'm still waiting. I didn't ask you to make that claim. And you claimed to be some kind of expert and I have no reason to believe that you are. I'm still waiting. I didn't ask you to make that claim.....
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 21:38:10 GMT
Post by alster on Oct 30, 2017 21:38:10 GMT
I think he's on about Tony Martin, his only mistake was he shot them in the back when they were running away, the fact that one died and one was wounded was of no consequence. I was joking, Al. I seem to remember that the guy had a lot of sympathy at the time, though. Yeah he never came to my nick but if he had I would have made sure he got looked after. Its only like shooting rats after all.
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 21:39:16 GMT
Post by alster on Oct 30, 2017 21:39:16 GMT
Why being a lawyer in another country doesn't really mean you know more about a subject than someone who's been involved in violent situations on an almost daily basis and is educated in what actions will lead to prosecution and what won't. You never did come back with that case where self defence was vindicated and a person prosecuted for a single blow. What did you do for a living then Al? Old Bill? Prison mate since when did coppers see violence on a daily basis.
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 21:40:15 GMT
Post by chesterfieldstokie on Oct 30, 2017 21:40:15 GMT
What did you do for a living then Al? Old Bill? Prison mate since when did coppers see violence on a daily basis. you told me you worked for the council!!! after you left RO!!!!!!!
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 21:41:05 GMT
Post by chesterfieldstokie on Oct 30, 2017 21:41:05 GMT
What did you do for a living then Al? Old Bill? Prison mate since when did coppers see violence on a daily basis. Prison Officers dont call it a nick
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 30, 2017 21:46:23 GMT
What did you do for a living then Al? Old Bill? Prison mate since when did coppers see violence on a daily basis. I thought you fetched the cops in to sort out your 'almost daily violence' anyway
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 21:48:57 GMT
Post by alster on Oct 30, 2017 21:48:57 GMT
You claimed you could quote case law. I'm still waiting. I didn't ask you to make that claim. And you claimed to be some kind of expert and I have no reason to believe that you are. I'm still waiting. I didn't ask you to make that claim..... Like I said I had the education and had to put it to the test on more than one occasion. It stands up to police investigation and CPS scrutiny. When your need to defend yourself is established there is no requirement to calibrate how hard you hit someone or where abouts you hit them, full force to the head is perfectly acceptable the main thing is not to lose your head and continue beyond what is necessary.
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 21:56:09 GMT
Post by alster on Oct 30, 2017 21:56:09 GMT
Prison mate since when did coppers see violence on a daily basis. Prison Officers dont call it a nick Must have imagined 25 years service then.
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 21:57:29 GMT
Post by chesterfieldstokie on Oct 30, 2017 21:57:29 GMT
Prison Officers dont call it a nick Must have imagined 25 years service then. Fantasist
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 22:03:41 GMT
Post by alster on Oct 30, 2017 22:03:41 GMT
Prison mate since when did coppers see violence on a daily basis. I thought you fetched the cops in to sort out your 'almost daily violence' anyway You must watch or read some very poorly informed stuff.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 30, 2017 22:09:34 GMT
I thought you fetched the cops in to sort out your 'almost daily violence' anyway You must watch or read some very poorly informed stuff. Hey I'll have you know I avidly watched 'Within these walls' in the 70's.
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 22:49:15 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 30, 2017 22:49:15 GMT
What worried me about this was it went on for quite awhile so how could the ref not see it? Perhaps he thought like myself that Joe bought it on himself by losing his head and steaming in to Deeney, then saw what a big deal the media made of it and didn't have the courage of his convictions by the time he wrote his report. Well that would make him as wrong as you then.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 30, 2017 22:57:37 GMT
Perhaps he thought like myself that Joe bought it on himself by losing his head and steaming in to Deeney, then saw what a big deal the media made of it and didn't have the courage of his convictions by the time he wrote his report. Well that would make him as wrong as you then. Surely Deeney could have laughed it off and said "Fuck off, you little prick!" or something? Or done that "shush" thing. No defence for a virtual gouging.
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 23:44:35 GMT
Post by jezzascfc on Oct 30, 2017 23:44:35 GMT
Joe deserved yellow, Deeney red (the reaction was way beyond what was reasonable in all circumstances) - and no red and white tinted specs here! It is like the court case about a farmer shooting a burglar dead - yes, he may be trying to nick your stuff, but your response is meant to stop at preventing him doing that, not to shoot him dead! Same applies here. You don't know he's just trying to steal your stuff in your mind he's there to do you grievous harm. Makes sure you don't shoot him in the back or fire down on him when he's on the floor. Jobs a good un. Remind me not to try and burgle your house! ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 23:56:13 GMT
You don't know he's just trying to steal your stuff in your mind he's there to do you grievous harm. Makes sure you don't shoot him in the back or fire down on him when he's on the floor. Jobs a good un. Remind me not to try and burgle your house! ;-) It might be worth your while to make a note, and not burgle mine either ....... I'm afraid if I were to catch an intruder in my house, I would render him senseless first, and then reason about what I did. I would think that that is a perfectly normal reaction.
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Deeney
Oct 31, 2017 0:01:53 GMT
Post by crownmeking on Oct 31, 2017 0:01:53 GMT
You don't know he's just trying to steal your stuff in your mind he's there to do you grievous harm. Makes sure you don't shoot him in the back or fire down on him when he's on the floor. Jobs a good un. Remind me not to try and burgle your house! ;-) Hate to admit it, but Al is correct regarding self-defense, the law changed after Tony Martin case, to afford house holds more protection. Tony Martin was found guilty of murder, because the burglars were making off and he shot them in the back, that was seen as unreasonable, but his conviction was lowered to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility on appeal, because the trial judge did not take into account his mental health issues.
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Deeney
Oct 31, 2017 0:04:54 GMT
Post by pottarius on Oct 31, 2017 0:04:54 GMT
You don't know he's just trying to steal your stuff in your mind he's there to do you grievous harm. Makes sure you don't shoot him in the back or fire down on him when he's on the floor. Jobs a good un. Remind me not to try and burgle your house! ;-)
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Deeney
Oct 31, 2017 0:08:23 GMT
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Post by andystokey on Oct 31, 2017 0:08:23 GMT
It's like watching an episode of "Life on Mars" right bunch of Gene Hunts
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Deeney
Oct 31, 2017 0:09:29 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 0:09:29 GMT
Who the fuck is Gene Hunt?
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Deeney
Oct 31, 2017 0:21:04 GMT
Post by greyman on Oct 31, 2017 0:21:04 GMT
There is already another official who could use a screen to review decisions. The fourth official just seems to spend 90 minutes being moaned at by managers, so give him the job of reviewing incidents instead. As you no doubt know, there is a big debate and trials about extending the use of video technology. I agree that when the game is already stopped for that kind of incident, it should be used. But like all such major changes, they don't come quickly and have to be agreed internationally. It wouldn't be the 4th official but in the trials has been a new video official sitting in the stand, as it is in cricket and rugby. Can you imagine the 4th official trying to look at it surrounded by the benches. Nightmare. I get that and I wasn't suggesting you have people crowd around a video terminal. But I struggle to see the point of the 4th official a lot of the time and it sometimes seems their presence riles the managers even more. Having said that, they clearly do more than those people behind the goals who serve no purpose whatsoever from what I've seen.
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