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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 19:24:06 GMT
Post by alster on Oct 30, 2017 19:24:06 GMT
I haven't bothered with the seven pages to date, but Deeney is a thug, and there is no doubt whatsoever that what he did to Joe and Ryan justified a red card. A retrospective ban is no good to us - it only helps the teams which he would not face. That is why it is so crucial that a red card offence should never be missed - if it such an offence, the only proper punishment is to reduce his team to 10 men for the remainder of that game. TV evidence should be used - it would take a mere 30 seconds for a ref in the stand to see what he did was worthy of a red card being shown. You really should read them and give your legal opinion on alsters summary, he knows more about the legalities of self defence than anyone else on here apparently... Why being a lawyer in another country doesn't really mean you know more about a subject than someone who's been involved in violent situations on an almost daily basis and is educated in what actions will lead to prosecution and what won't. You never did come back with that case where self defence was vindicated and a person prosecuted for a single blow.
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 19:27:58 GMT
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Post by pottersrule on Oct 30, 2017 19:27:58 GMT
If he is charged Everton and West Ham are the teams to benefit, what a fucking shock. Most Watford fans want him banned.He is shit nowadays apparently?
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 19:45:23 GMT
Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 30, 2017 19:45:23 GMT
Charged even after being booked, has that happened before? I also think if the referee in post says he didn't see x incident in it's entirety then even with a booking they can give a ban etc. As far as I'm aware. Shockingly they never do. Yes they do.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Oct 30, 2017 20:00:31 GMT
I also think if the referee in post says he didn't see x incident in it's entirety then even with a booking they can give a ban etc. As far as I'm aware. Shockingly they never do. Yes they do. What worried me about this was it went on for quite awhile so how could the ref not see it?
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 20:15:25 GMT
Post by alster on Oct 30, 2017 20:15:25 GMT
What worried me about this was it went on for quite awhile so how could the ref not see it? Perhaps he thought like myself that Joe bought it on himself by losing his head and steaming in to Deeney, then saw what a big deal the media made of it and didn't have the courage of his convictions by the time he wrote his report.
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 20:16:30 GMT
Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 30, 2017 20:16:30 GMT
What worried me about this was it went on for quite awhile so how could the ref not see it? The push on Shawcross was easy to spot - because Shawx made it easy by stepping back and falling over! But Oliver COULD have been unsighted and unable to see exactly what Deeney did to Joe during the melee.
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 20:18:47 GMT
Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 30, 2017 20:18:47 GMT
What worried me about this was it went on for quite awhile so how could the ref not see it? Shawcross is very close. The video above doesn't show the position of the ref but it's possible that Shawcross or some other player, or just the angle of Allen's head, is blocking the ref seeing the gauging actions. The ref obviously saw the incident, but may not have seen the thumbs in the cheeks. Human beings, unlike the broadcasters, don't have eyes from every angle
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 30, 2017 20:19:35 GMT
What worried me about this was it went on for quite awhile so how could the ref not see it? Perhaps he thought like myself that Joe bought it on himself by losing his head and steaming in to Deeney, then saw what a big deal the media made of it and didn't have the courage of his convictions by the time he wrote his report. Nah, the chances of even a poor ref like Oliver having the same opinion as you as to what constitutes an unjustifiable and excessive assault, are so remote as to be negligible. I bet Oliver was as horrified as the rest of us when he saw the videos.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Oct 30, 2017 20:22:25 GMT
What worried me about this was it went on for quite awhile so how could the ref not see it? Perhaps he thought like myself that Joe bought it on himself by losing his head and steaming in to Deeney, then saw what a big deal the media made of it and didn't have the courage of his convictions by the time he wrote his report. you do talk bullshit
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Post by greyman on Oct 30, 2017 20:23:11 GMT
I haven't bothered with the seven pages to date, but Deeney is a thug, and there is no doubt whatsoever that what he did to Joe and Ryan justified a red card. A retrospective ban is no good to us - it only helps the teams which he would not face. That is why it is so crucial that a red card offence should never be missed - if it such an offence, the only proper punishment is to reduce his team to 10 men for the remainder of that game. TV evidence should be used - it would take a mere 30 seconds for a ref in the stand to see what he did was worthy of a red card being shown. There is already another official who could use a screen to review decisions. The fourth official just seems to spend 90 minutes being moaned at by managers, so give him the job of reviewing incidents instead.
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 20:25:38 GMT
Post by alster on Oct 30, 2017 20:25:38 GMT
Perhaps he thought like myself that Joe bought it on himself by losing his head and steaming in to Deeney, then saw what a big deal the media made of it and didn't have the courage of his convictions by the time he wrote his report. Nah, the chances of even a poor ref like Oliver having the same opinion as you as to what constitutes an unjustifiable and excessive assault, are so remote as to be negligible. I bet Oliver was as horrified as the rest of us when he saw the videos. So when did you last steam into someone in the way Allen did without getting sparked?
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 20:27:29 GMT
Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 30, 2017 20:27:29 GMT
What worried me about this was it went on for quite awhile so how could the ref not see it? Perhaps he thought like myself that Joe bought it on himself by losing his head and steaming in to Deeney, then saw what a big deal the media made of it and didn't have the courage of his convictions by the time he wrote his report. Most unlikely. As I said in an earlier post, the referee has to act on the actions of the individual players, and he knows that there are multiple cameras looking at it. The PGMO look at the full videos of every PL game regardless of what the media say. Any referee who justified no action on violent conduct on the grounds that the victim brought it upon himself (even if he did start the incident) would not last long at that level.
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 20:28:15 GMT
Post by alster on Oct 30, 2017 20:28:15 GMT
Perhaps he thought like myself that Joe bought it on himself by losing his head and steaming in to Deeney, then saw what a big deal the media made of it and didn't have the courage of his convictions by the time he wrote his report. you do talk bullshit No bullshit about it you view the world through red and white tinted specs, I don't. If a bloke approached you as aggressively as Allen did Deeney what would you do stand there and say "please stop that at once"?
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 20:30:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 20:30:29 GMT
You really should read them and give your legal opinion on alsters summary, he knows more about the legalities of self defence than anyone else on here apparently... Why being a lawyer in another country doesn't really mean you know more about a subject than someone who's been involved in violent situations on an almost daily basis and is educated in what actions will lead to prosecution and what won't. You never did come back with that case where self defence was vindicated and a person prosecuted for a single blow. And you never did answer my question that I asked first....
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 20:30:51 GMT
Post by chesterfieldstokie on Oct 30, 2017 20:30:51 GMT
No bullshit about it you view the world through red and white tinted specs, I don't. If a bloke approached you as aggressively as Allen did Deeney what would you do stand there and say "please stop that at once"? never had red and white glasses and I would guess you havent either!!! Stupid comparison, expected though, its a contact sport aggression is part of it trying to break someones cheekbones isnt.
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 20:32:28 GMT
Post by alster on Oct 30, 2017 20:32:28 GMT
Perhaps he thought like myself that Joe bought it on himself by losing his head and steaming in to Deeney, then saw what a big deal the media made of it and didn't have the courage of his convictions by the time he wrote his report. Most unlikely. As I said in an earlier post, the referee has to act on the actions of the individual players, and he knows that there are multiple cameras looking at it. The PGMO look at the full videos of every PL game regardless of what the media say. Any referee who justified no action on violent conduct on the grounds that the victim brought it upon himself (even if he did start the incident) would not last long at that level. As I said on the day they were both guilty of violent conduct. I believe the ref made a compromise decision by booking them both when he should probably have sent them both off.
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 20:34:26 GMT
Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 30, 2017 20:34:26 GMT
Nah, the chances of even a poor ref like Oliver having the same opinion as you as to what constitutes an unjustifiable and excessive assault, are so remote as to be negligible. I bet Oliver was as horrified as the rest of us when he saw the videos. So when did you last steam into someone in the way Allen did without getting sparked? From memory it was the last time I was playing football and we put the ball out of play as a player was injured. The Captain of the opposition tried to cross the ball into our penalty area after the throw in instead of giving the ball back to us. I ranted and raved and jumped up and down in his face - as anyone would. He saw the error of his ways and apologised and bought me a pint after the game, like a real man should. Simples!
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 20:34:35 GMT
Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 30, 2017 20:34:35 GMT
I haven't bothered with the seven pages to date, but Deeney is a thug, and there is no doubt whatsoever that what he did to Joe and Ryan justified a red card. A retrospective ban is no good to us - it only helps the teams which he would not face. That is why it is so crucial that a red card offence should never be missed - if it such an offence, the only proper punishment is to reduce his team to 10 men for the remainder of that game. TV evidence should be used - it would take a mere 30 seconds for a ref in the stand to see what he did was worthy of a red card being shown. There is already another official who could use a screen to review decisions. The fourth official just seems to spend 90 minutes being moaned at by managers, so give him the job of reviewing incidents instead. As you no doubt know, there is a big debate and trials about extending the use of video technology. I agree that when the game is already stopped for that kind of incident, it should be used. But like all such major changes, they don't come quickly and have to be agreed internationally. It wouldn't be the 4th official but in the trials has been a new video official sitting in the stand, as it is in cricket and rugby. Can you imagine the 4th official trying to look at it surrounded by the benches. Nightmare.
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 20:37:02 GMT
Post by alster on Oct 30, 2017 20:37:02 GMT
No bullshit about it you view the world through red and white tinted specs, I don't. If a bloke approached you as aggressively as Allen did Deeney what would you do stand there and say "please stop that at once"? never had red and white glasses and I would guess you havent either!!! Stupid comparison, expected though, its a contact sport aggression is part of it trying to break someones cheekbones isnt. It was nothing to do with sport the ball wasn't even in play. Whats with the trying to break someones cheekbones I'm sure if he had such intentions he would have just sparked him out he's quite a handy lad with his fists, I think he was quite restrained.
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 20:39:18 GMT
Post by alster on Oct 30, 2017 20:39:18 GMT
So when did you last steam into someone in the way Allen did without getting sparked? From memory it was the last time I was playing football and we put the ball out of play as a player was injured. The Captain of the opposition tried to cross the ball into our penalty area after the throw in instead of giving the ball back to us. I ranted and raved and jumped up and down in his face - as anyone would. He saw the error of his ways and apologised and bought me a pint after the game, like a real man should. Simples! Yeah I didn't think you had, its not advisable. Getting your face squeezed is the least you could expect.
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 20:39:50 GMT
Post by chesterfieldstokie on Oct 30, 2017 20:39:50 GMT
never had red and white glasses and I would guess you havent either!!! Stupid comparison, expected though, its a contact sport aggression is part of it trying to break someones cheekbones isnt. It was nothing to do with sport the ball wasn't even in play. Whats with the trying to break someones cheekbones I'm sure if he had such intentions he would have just sparked him out he's quite a handy lad with his fists, I think he was quite restrained. Jesus nothing to do with sport deluded? Havent you had your tablets? You will say anything to make it Stokes fault so sad.
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Post by RAF on Oct 30, 2017 20:40:48 GMT
Looks that way mate and I’m also surprised nothing has been shown regarding Shaqiri’s alleged punch🤔The way Poll went on about it on Saturday you’d have thought he’d have knocked someone out🙄 Graeme Poll is a prick though so the FA must've automatically assumed he was talking out of his arse, which he was of course ;) The minute that prick Poll was sent home for those three bookings on Simunic he should have been sacked as a ref and not allowed to give a refs perspective opinion ever again the collosal cunt. H
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 20:45:04 GMT
Post by alster on Oct 30, 2017 20:45:04 GMT
It was nothing to do with sport the ball wasn't even in play. Whats with the trying to break someones cheekbones I'm sure if he had such intentions he would have just sparked him out he's quite a handy lad with his fists, I think he was quite restrained. Jesus nothing to do with sport deluded? Havent you had your tablets? You will say anything to make it Stokes fault so sad. Stokes fault? its nothing to do with Stoke either. Its an honest opinion on the behavior of one individual(Joe Allen) and another individuals response to it. Like many Stoke fans you seem to want to be a victim. Truth is he doesn't lose his head and steam into the bloke like that he doesn't get his face squashed.
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 20:46:48 GMT
Post by chesterfieldstokie on Oct 30, 2017 20:46:48 GMT
Jesus nothing to do with sport deluded? Havent you had your tablets? You will say anything to make it Stokes fault so sad. Stokes fault? its nothing to do with Stoke either. Its an honest opinion on the behavior of one individual(Joe Allen) and another individuals response to it. Like many Stoke fans you seem to want to be a victim. Truth is he doesn't lose his head and steam into the bloke like that he doesn't get his face squashed. Jesus I give up like you did when you did a runner from RO Bye
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 20:48:08 GMT
If someone squeezed my face like that, he would have got a knee in the testicles!
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 20:49:45 GMT
Post by chesterfieldstokie on Oct 30, 2017 20:49:45 GMT
If someone squeezed my face like that, he would have got a knee in the testicles! he couldnt his feet were dangling couldnt reach the floor
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 20:54:36 GMT
Post by jezzascfc on Oct 30, 2017 20:54:36 GMT
Joe deserved yellow, Deeney red (the reaction was way beyond what was reasonable in all circumstances) - and no red and white tinted specs here!
It is like the court case about a farmer shooting a burglar dead - yes, he may be trying to nick your stuff, but your response is meant to stop at preventing him doing that, not to shoot him dead! Same applies here.
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 20:57:03 GMT
Post by alster on Oct 30, 2017 20:57:03 GMT
If someone squeezed my face like that, he would have got a knee in the testicles! If someone came steaming towards me as aggressively as Joe did him I'd punch his lights out and deal with the consequences later.
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 21:01:24 GMT
Post by alster on Oct 30, 2017 21:01:24 GMT
Joe deserved yellow, Deeney red (the reaction was way beyond what was reasonable in all circumstances) - and no red and white tinted specs here! It is like the court case about a farmer shooting a burglar dead - yes, he may be trying to nick your stuff, but your response is meant to stop at preventing him doing that, not to shoot him dead! Same applies here. You don't know he's just trying to steal your stuff in your mind he's there to do you grievous harm. Makes sure you don't shoot him in the back or fire down on him when he's on the floor. Jobs a good un.
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Deeney
Oct 30, 2017 21:04:10 GMT
Post by alster on Oct 30, 2017 21:04:10 GMT
Stokes fault? its nothing to do with Stoke either. Its an honest opinion on the behavior of one individual(Joe Allen) and another individuals response to it. Like many Stoke fans you seem to want to be a victim. Truth is he doesn't lose his head and steam into the bloke like that he doesn't get his face squashed. Jesus I give up like you did when you did a runner from RO Bye I got a better job what should I have done stayed upto my elbows in acid and chemicals for the love of it?
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