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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 5, 2021 14:05:30 GMT
In respect of Brexit, that might be true, 5/ 10 years....I can't see any of the current left/ Labour being of influence whatsoever....of course things could change , but they seem so bad , I can't see it. Perhaps a Green party with socialist leanings? Still wouldn't penetrate given the present electoral system. In the meantime rather than obsessing about the Labour party - who aren't in power - focus should be on those who who are (it won't turn your own lawn into a bowling green by simply pointing at the weeds in next doors) - however it seems they're getting less and less keen on people voicing their protests. Just an observation on the current state of politics Seymour.....I suppose you are right no point in talking about Labour. So , Boris is still doing a great job then.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Oct 5, 2021 14:25:54 GMT
Still wouldn't penetrate given the present electoral system. In the meantime rather than obsessing about the Labour party - who aren't in power - focus should be on those who who are (it won't turn your own lawn into a bowling green by simply pointing at the weeds in next doors) - however it seems they're getting less and less keen on people voicing their protests. Just an observation on the current state of politics Seymour.....I suppose you are right no point in talking about Labour. So , Boris is still doing a great job then. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're being obtuse deliberately.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 5, 2021 14:27:53 GMT
Just an observation on the current state of politics Seymour.....I suppose you are right no point in talking about Labour. So , Boris is still doing a great job then. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're being obtuse deliberately. Thank you very much
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 5, 2021 17:03:26 GMT
Jacob Rees-Mogg: I’m Tory scum and proud
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 5, 2021 17:07:03 GMT
Jacob Rees-Mogg: I’m Tory scum and proud Do you think he is scum?
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Post by thevoid on Oct 5, 2021 17:09:36 GMT
Jacob Rees-Mogg: I’m Tory scum and proud And people wonder why you and your buddy attract attention... Finally digging out my passport again next week, Joey. They're brilliant things to have 😀
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 5, 2021 17:17:46 GMT
Jacob Rees-Mogg: I’m Tory scum and proud link sorry forgot link and yes i do anyone who emails his companies to say profiteering during a pandemic is a once in a lifetime opportunity is dont you think !
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 5, 2021 17:27:21 GMT
Jacob Rees-Mogg: I’m Tory scum and proud link sorry forgot link and yes i do anyone who emails his companies to say profiteering during a pandemic is a once in a lifetime opportunity is dont you think ! Well, plankton brain, the thing is… he didn’t say or do that.
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 5, 2021 20:24:15 GMT
link sorry forgot link and yes i do anyone who emails his companies to say profiteering during a pandemic is a once in a lifetime opportunity is dont you think ! Well, plankton brain, the thing is… he didn’t say or do that. his company did and thats on public record typical tories using abuse and insults yet again
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 5, 2021 20:26:48 GMT
Well, plankton brain, the thing is… he didn’t say or do that. his company did and thats on public record typical tories using abuse and insults yet again Wrong again. I don’t really think it’s an insult to call you plankton brain. Well, it possibly is to plankton.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 5, 2021 20:34:13 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Oct 5, 2021 20:48:15 GMT
So according to that boris is continuing what Blair started but because he’s Tory it garners a bigger column It’s a bit rich from the guardian who themselves have used offshore havens to lower their tax bill
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 5, 2021 20:52:01 GMT
So according to that boris is continuing what Blair started but because he’s Tory it garners a bigger column It’s a bit rich from the guardian who themselves have used offshore havens to lower their tax bill It’s anti Tory… that’s all that matters. As we’ve seen from the plankton brained one… stories don’t have to even be true providing they are anti Tory.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 6, 2021 7:27:56 GMT
So according to that boris is continuing what Blair started but because he’s Tory it garners a bigger column It’s a bit rich from the guardian who themselves have used offshore havens to lower their tax bill It’s anti Tory… that’s all that matters. As we’ve seen from the plankton brained one… stories don’t have to even be true providing they are anti Tory. You have to have a bigger argument than “anti-Tory”
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 6, 2021 7:44:22 GMT
Seems some people on here are happy for their elected representatives to be bought. Scary times indeed.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 6, 2021 8:11:22 GMT
Seems some people on here are happy for their elected representatives to be bought. Scary times indeed. Has there ever been a time when elected representatives weren’t bought?
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 6, 2021 8:17:20 GMT
Jacob Rees-Mogg: I’m Tory scum and proud link sorry forgot link and yes i do anyone who emails his companies to say profiteering during a pandemic is a once in a lifetime opportunity is dont you think ! Ok… I think we’ve established that you have misattributed that quote. On the topic of scum, do you consider the “fox fucker” and scourge of Brexiteers Jo Maugham to be scum?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 6, 2021 8:17:51 GMT
Why does Britain need to be fixed? The Tories have been in power for over 11 years, and 29 of the last 42....but apparently it's decades of drift and dither that are to blame. Decades when they were in power but completely powerless to fix things of course Anyone might reasonably conclude that perhaps they've been just a bit useless over the last decade or so, or, heaven forbid, that they might have been the ones who broke it recently? It's not surprising they feel entitled to tell the plebs how to act while considering themselves to be above their own advice or offering dodgy contracts to mates, they must wonder what they have to do for people to think this isn't acceptable...or have we just reached the stage where, like Trump said, he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and his supporters would still support him...? Looking at the polls I suspect that might be the case. It must be a nice position to be in as a political party to know that you can count on support regardless of what you do or fail to do while in power...
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 6, 2021 8:21:43 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 6, 2021 8:38:35 GMT
And in the meantime, try not to be poor, get ill or want a decent education... that's always a good strategy You might have been happy without a decent education, John, but I suspect many people would quite like one...
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 6, 2021 9:08:16 GMT
Seems some people on here are happy for their elected representatives to be bought. Scary times indeed. You are correct, 'twas ever thus: " Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority, still more when you superadd the tendency or the certainty of corruption by authority."
Lord Acton in 19th century Another reason to have a political system where we have the power to remove the individuals at a general election. Rather than what is happening in Germany now while we post away, where the politicians are carving things up between them. ("I'll support you having health, if you'll support me having education") Another reason not to be governed by a EU Commission who are so remote from the people, drafting legislation under the influence of huge corporate interests, hell bent on a united states of Europe, and seeking to wield more and more power each year. Tell the exploited farm workers (see join EU thread), the impoverished Greeks, the unemployed Spanish youth, the Romanian health service that government by the EU is a good thing. I think most of them would actually prefer the British "shambles and incompetent" government to their own. That is not a defence of our system which needs reform, but we don't want to hand over legislation to others. We need checks to stop extremist policies, but don't want to hand over power to a perpetual group of politicians who carve up the power between themselves.
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Post by thevoid on Oct 6, 2021 9:22:33 GMT
We all want 'a good job' but sometimes, in times of crisis, you have to take what's going. There's plenty of crops that need picking apparently. Earn an honest wage (even if it's a stop gap) and help the country out. Got to better than £140 a fortnight now the pubs are open! www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.countryliving.com/uk/wildlife/farming/amp36724667/british-farmers-help-fruit-picking-pay-more/"To meet rising demand, vegetable growers around the UK are offering to pay pickers, packers, processors and drivers up to £20 an hour (£30 on a weekend)" In turn this frees up more funds in the pot for those who genuinely cannot work
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 6, 2021 9:23:47 GMT
Seems some people on here are happy for their elected representatives to be bought. Scary times indeed. Has there ever been a time when elected representatives weren’t bought? Dont make it harder for him than it already is...... (He doesnt relaise its been going on since the dark ages - bless him !)
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 6, 2021 9:31:52 GMT
Jacob Rees-Mogg: I’m Tory scum and proud You haven’t got a slight manc accent ginger hair and a cervix have you ?
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Post by thevoid on Oct 6, 2021 9:32:59 GMT
Well, plankton brain, the thing is… he didn’t say or do that. his company did and thats on public record typical tories using abuse and insults yet again Says the person using the term 'Tory scum' further up this very thread- and your partner in crime calling someone a 'Tory retard' a few weeks ago. If you can't take it.... Had to look to see who liked your post and I wasn't disappointed 🙂 Mr Myopia is in the house!
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Post by adri2008 on Oct 6, 2021 10:15:27 GMT
I doubt this is going to have any impact with the public as a level of corruption is already factored in. If we're going to let donor's fund our parties then obviously most of them are going to want something in return for their money. The whole thing needs looking at. As for the MPs themselves, I've always felt that the pay should be far higher. We surely want to discourage outside interests to top up income and attract the cream of the crop (and those with actual real life skills) rather than a load of talkers. It always amazes me how you often end up with ministers dropped into new departments without the slightest experience of their brief and somehow we expect them to be competent?
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 6, 2021 10:23:49 GMT
More Tory scum in full effect.
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Post by phileetin on Oct 6, 2021 11:30:16 GMT
More Tory scum in full effect. i can't quite find the picture of tony and cherie bliar singing " things can only get better " after avoiding £312000 stamp duty via off shore company (it must be on the internet somewhere ) .
Lots of corruption in politics , especially the red side ( putin , bliar , brown , bercow )
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 6, 2021 12:36:11 GMT
Seems some people on here are happy for their elected representatives to be bought. Scary times indeed. Has there ever been a time when elected representatives weren’t bought? In all honesty, probably not.
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Post by 3putts on Oct 6, 2021 12:37:55 GMT
More Tory scum in full effect. i can't quite find the picture of tony and cherie bliar singing " things can only get better " after avoiding £312000 stamp duty via off shore company (it must be on the internet somewhere ) .
Lots of corruption in politics , especially the red side ( putin , bliar , brown , bercow ) Do you think wealthy people go house hunting themselves? No they employ people they will also have their financial people advising them how to get the best deal. I don't necessarily agree with it but that is how things are done. I suppose your happy with the russians involvement with the tory party and their property portfolio?
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