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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 6, 2021 14:31:04 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 6, 2021 15:42:09 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 6, 2021 15:53:51 GMT
I have to admit, I quite enjoyed Johnson's speech, it was funny at least and the massed ranks of the party attendees no doubt loved it. I had to go out before the end so didn't see the reaction. I expect they loved it. Gove looked like he was absolutely buzzing on it.
Two things came to mind - first you can see what he's been doing while the petrol/supermarket/truckers crisis has rumbled on for the last few months: coming up with as many bon mots as he can possibly think of to chuck in to hide the absence of any policy announcements.
Second, he did rather confirm what Starmer pointed out at his conference - Bluffer isn't a bad man, he's a trivial man, a man who'd probably love to be a stand-up comedian. Happiest when he can indulge his sixth form debating skills and chuck a few meaningless soundbites out and, conversely, most unhappy and least effective when tasked with, you know, running a country.
I'll be interested to see what the political commentators make of it, fun but policy light I expect....
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 6, 2021 16:17:52 GMT
I have to admit, I quite enjoyed Johnson's speech, it was funny at least and the massed ranks of the party attendees no doubt loved it. I had to go out before the end so didn't see the reaction. I expect they loved it. Gove looked like he was absolutely buzzing on it. Two things came to mind - first you can see what he's been doing while the petrol/supermarket/truckers crisis has rumbled on for the last few months: coming up with as many bon mots as he can possibly think of to chuck in to hide the absence of any policy announcements. Second, he did rather confirm what Starmer pointed out at his conference - Bluffer isn't a bad man, he's a trivial man, a man who'd probably love to be a stand-up comedian. Happiest when he can indulge his sixth form debating skills and chuck a few meaningless soundbites out and, conversely, most unhappy and least effective when tasked with, you know, running a country. I'll be interested to see what the political commentators make of it, fun but policy light I expect.... Well the right-leaning Adam Smith Institute described it as 'vacuous' and 'economic folly'.
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Post by foster on Oct 6, 2021 16:30:40 GMT
I have to admit, I quite enjoyed Johnson's speech, it was funny at least and the massed ranks of the party attendees no doubt loved it. I had to go out before the end so didn't see the reaction. I expect they loved it. Gove looked like he was absolutely buzzing on it. Two things came to mind - first you can see what he's been doing while the petrol/supermarket/truckers crisis has rumbled on for the last few months: coming up with as many bon mots as he can possibly think of to chuck in to hide the absence of any policy announcements. Second, he did rather confirm what Starmer pointed out at his conference - Bluffer isn't a bad man, he's a trivial man, a man who'd probably love to be a stand-up comedian. Happiest when he can indulge his sixth form debating skills and chuck a few meaningless soundbites out and, conversely, most unhappy and least effective when tasked with, you know, running a country. I'll be interested to see what the political commentators make of it, fun but policy light I expect.... Well the right-leaning Adam Smith Institute described it as 'vacuous' and 'economic folly'. Well, if it's high wage and low tax then I'll be moving back ASAP..... If only I had some skills.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 6, 2021 16:42:07 GMT
Well the right-leaning Adam Smith Institute described it as 'vacuous' and 'economic folly'. Well, if it's high wage and low tax then I'll be moving back ASAP..... If only I had some skills. You don’t need too many skills to do fruit picking.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 6, 2021 16:52:16 GMT
I have to admit, I quite enjoyed Johnson's speech, it was funny at least and the massed ranks of the party attendees no doubt loved it. I had to go out before the end so didn't see the reaction. I expect they loved it. Gove looked like he was absolutely buzzing on it. Two things came to mind - first you can see what he's been doing while the petrol/supermarket/truckers crisis has rumbled on for the last few months: coming up with as many bon mots as he can possibly think of to chuck in to hide the absence of any policy announcements. Second, he did rather confirm what Starmer pointed out at his conference - Bluffer isn't a bad man, he's a trivial man, a man who'd probably love to be a stand-up comedian. Happiest when he can indulge his sixth form debating skills and chuck a few meaningless soundbites out and, conversely, most unhappy and least effective when tasked with, you know, running a country. I'll be interested to see what the political commentators make of it, fun but policy light I expect.... You pays your money, you take your choice… Boris Johnson’s speech was a triumphBoris’s speech was comedy, not policyGot to admire you for watching it, I’d rather watch grass grow.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 6, 2021 16:59:50 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 6, 2021 17:30:12 GMT
Interesting lead letter in the Telegraph today, if for no other reason than Bluffer is their man and they are usually eye-wateringly loyal to him...
"We could take more effective action to stop Channel migrants, but we don't. We should take action to stop climate protesters causing disruption, but we don't. And we could address the backlog in our courts, but we don't. We should address the DVLA crisis, but we don't. We need urgent steps to resolve the NI crisis, but we don't. We could take measures to improve face to face GP appointments but we don't. Actions speak louder than words and now it's time for far too many "don'ts" to start to become "do's"".
Sums this govt up pretty effectively. Lots of tough sounding words come out on a regular basis, then nothing happens once again. Perhaps people are starting to notice?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 6, 2021 17:33:45 GMT
I have to admit, I quite enjoyed Johnson's speech, it was funny at least and the massed ranks of the party attendees no doubt loved it. I had to go out before the end so didn't see the reaction. I expect they loved it. Gove looked like he was absolutely buzzing on it. Two things came to mind - first you can see what he's been doing while the petrol/supermarket/truckers crisis has rumbled on for the last few months: coming up with as many bon mots as he can possibly think of to chuck in to hide the absence of any policy announcements. Second, he did rather confirm what Starmer pointed out at his conference - Bluffer isn't a bad man, he's a trivial man, a man who'd probably love to be a stand-up comedian. Happiest when he can indulge his sixth form debating skills and chuck a few meaningless soundbites out and, conversely, most unhappy and least effective when tasked with, you know, running a country. I'll be interested to see what the political commentators make of it, fun but policy light I expect.... You pays your money, you take your choice… Boris Johnson’s speech was a triumphBoris’s speech was comedy, not policyGot to admire you for watching it, I’d rather watch grass grow. Think you put the same link on both? Comedy is probably pretty accurate, it was funny.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 6, 2021 17:43:56 GMT
Think you put the same link on both? Comedy is probably pretty accurate, it was funny. Whoops. Fixed. The fact that Johnson can raise a smile is pretty important. Folk do like that. Go back a good few years when the “Sunny” Jim Callaghan was up against Margaret Thatcher in 1979 after the dreadful winter of discontent. Labour’s sole hope was the avuncular Jim would be more popular than the strident Maggie. And he was. By a distance. But that was never going to be enough to make up the ground he lost over the winter months.
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 6, 2021 18:00:42 GMT
I have to admit, I quite enjoyed Johnson's speech, it was funny at least and the massed ranks of the party attendees no doubt loved it. I had to go out before the end so didn't see the reaction. I expect they loved it. Gove looked like he was absolutely buzzing on it. Two things came to mind - first you can see what he's been doing while the petrol/supermarket/truckers crisis has rumbled on for the last few months: coming up with as many bon mots as he can possibly think of to chuck in to hide the absence of any policy announcements. Second, he did rather confirm what Starmer pointed out at his conference - Bluffer isn't a bad man, he's a trivial man, a man who'd probably love to be a stand-up comedian. Happiest when he can indulge his sixth form debating skills and chuck a few meaningless soundbites out and, conversely, most unhappy and least effective when tasked with, you know, running a country. I'll be interested to see what the political commentators make of it, fun but policy light I expect.... You pays your money, you take your choice… Boris Johnson’s speech was a triumphBoris’s speech was comedy, not policyGot to admire you for watching it, I’d rather watch grass grow. Yes it was amusing But policy light that may have something to do with a budget And three year spending review in a couple of weeks I’m sure Blackwood enjoyed the reference to the humble crofters billiards room
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 6, 2021 18:01:25 GMT
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 6, 2021 18:02:42 GMT
I have to admit, I quite enjoyed Johnson's speech, it was funny at least and the massed ranks of the party attendees no doubt loved it. I had to go out before the end so didn't see the reaction. I expect they loved it. Gove looked like he was absolutely buzzing on it. Two things came to mind - first you can see what he's been doing while the petrol/supermarket/truckers crisis has rumbled on for the last few months: coming up with as many bon mots as he can possibly think of to chuck in to hide the absence of any policy announcements. Second, he did rather confirm what Starmer pointed out at his conference - Bluffer isn't a bad man, he's a trivial man, a man who'd probably love to be a stand-up comedian. Happiest when he can indulge his sixth form debating skills and chuck a few meaningless soundbites out and, conversely, most unhappy and least effective when tasked with, you know, running a country. I'll be interested to see what the political commentators make of it, fun but policy light I expect.... I turned off as soon as he mentioned 48 new hospitals.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 6, 2021 18:04:58 GMT
More Tory scum in full effect. i can't quite find the picture of tony and cherie bliar singing " things can only get better " after avoiding £312000 stamp duty via off shore company (it must be on the internet somewhere ) . Lots of corruption in politics , especially the red side ( putin , bliar , brown , bercow ) You won't find me defending the post Government actions of Blair but the Tory corruption and outright vileness is on another level.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 6, 2021 18:20:38 GMT
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 6, 2021 19:40:07 GMT
Boris has created a cult. Those at the conference were like a load of Moonies, almost in tears because of their devotion to the 'Great Leader'. His speech was full of hyperbole and bullshit. Yes, it was delivered with great skill but that's what Boris is... a brilliant clown act masquerading as part of the intelligencia. Made me laugh when he said he was offering three grand to get the best teachers in the country to move to disadvantaged areas. You can just see them now... the best of the best from leafy Buckinghamshire and the Surrey Downs packing their bags and moving in their thousands to Tory held Burslem and their like.
I listened to it all. It was unfuckingbelievable that anyone could take him seriously. Mind you. he is the best bluffer and bullshitter in town and can make mincemeat out of his QC opposition. Perhaps Starmer should tell him that the last time we had a high wage economy, every production company (and their dogs) moved abroad to low wage economies. Does he seriously think it won't happen again? And he says he's not bothered about inflation. Maybe he isn't but there's millions in the country who will be when prices and mortgages rise.
I await the inaction of his promises. I've ordered 20 boxes of Pork Scratchings to keep me occupied whilst doing so.
OS.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 6, 2021 21:04:25 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 7, 2021 7:00:02 GMT
Boris has created a cult. Those at the conference were like a load of Moonies, almost in tears because of their devotion to the 'Great Leader'. His speech was full of hyperbole and bullshit. Yes, it was delivered with great skill but that's what Boris is... a brilliant clown act masquerading as part of the intelligencia. Made me laugh when he said he was offering three grand to get the best teachers in the country to move to disadvantaged areas. You can just see them now... the best of the best from leafy Buckinghamshire and the Surrey Downs packing their bags and moving in their thousands to Tory held Burslem and their like. I listened to it all. It was unfuckingbelievable that anyone could take him seriously. Mind you. he is the best bluffer and bullshitter in town and can make mincemeat out of his QC opposition. Perhaps Starmer should tell him that the last time we had a high wage economy, every production company (and their dogs) moved abroad to low wage economies. Does he seriously think it won't happen again? And he says he's not bothered about inflation. Maybe he isn't but there's millions in the country who will be when prices and mortgages rise. I await the inaction of his promises. I've ordered 20 boxes of Pork Scratchings to keep me occupied whilst doing so. OS. Spot on, OldStokie, bluff and bluster and jokes were what it was, but we seem to be living in a time when an awful lot of people are quite happy with that while the country gets more isolated, poorer and fragmented and a cost of living crisis develops. It's very odd. I do wonder if there will come a time when most people realise the emperor is actually stark bollock naked or whether this is it now, telling people what they want to hear is all that matters and it's this that enables them to cheerfully put to one side the realities of their own worsening lives...
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 7, 2021 7:04:32 GMT
Boris has created a cult. Those at the conference were like a load of Moonies, almost in tears because of their devotion to the 'Great Leader'. His speech was full of hyperbole and bullshit. Yes, it was delivered with great skill but that's what Boris is... a brilliant clown act masquerading as part of the intelligencia. Made me laugh when he said he was offering three grand to get the best teachers in the country to move to disadvantaged areas. You can just see them now... the best of the best from leafy Buckinghamshire and the Surrey Downs packing their bags and moving in their thousands to Tory held Burslem and their like. I listened to it all. It was unfuckingbelievable that anyone could take him seriously. Mind you. he is the best bluffer and bullshitter in town and can make mincemeat out of his QC opposition. Perhaps Starmer should tell him that the last time we had a high wage economy, every production company (and their dogs) moved abroad to low wage economies. Does he seriously think it won't happen again? And he says he's not bothered about inflation. Maybe he isn't but there's millions in the country who will be when prices and mortgages rise. I await the inaction of his promises. I've ordered 20 boxes of Pork Scratchings to keep me occupied whilst doing so. OS. Spot on, OldStokie, bluff and bluster and jokes were what it was, but we seem to be living in a time when an awful lot of people are quite happy with that while the country gets more isolated, poorer and fragmented and a cost of living crisis develops. It's very odd. I do wonder if there will come a time when most people realise the emperor is actually stark bollock naked or whether this is it now, telling people what they want to hear is all that matters and it's this that enables them to cheerfully put to one side the realities of their own worsening lives... Johnson is following in Blair’s footsteps where presentation is everything. Style over substance. Although style isn’t a word I’d usually associate with Boris Johnson. Leastways style as in snake oil salesman suave. Which was definitely Blair’s style.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 7, 2021 7:24:55 GMT
Spot on, OldStokie, bluff and bluster and jokes were what it was, but we seem to be living in a time when an awful lot of people are quite happy with that while the country gets more isolated, poorer and fragmented and a cost of living crisis develops. It's very odd. I do wonder if there will come a time when most people realise the emperor is actually stark bollock naked or whether this is it now, telling people what they want to hear is all that matters and it's this that enables them to cheerfully put to one side the realities of their own worsening lives... Johnson is following in Blair’s footsteps where presentation is everything. Style over substance. Although style isn’t a word I’d usually associate with Boris Johnson. Leastways style as in snake oil salesman suave. Which was definitely Blair’s style. I don't remember Blair playing to the galleries by acting like a slightly pissed uncle at an open mic stand up night! Whatever you think of the disaster of Blair's foreign policy and cosying up to that idiot George W Bush, domestically if Bluffer achieves half of the improvements to health and education that were made under Blair, I'll be impressed! And before we open the whole tired debate about "bankrupting" the country to make those improvements, debt, deficit and spending were nothing out of the ordinary under Blair, until our friends in the City and across global financial markets decided to destroy the economy and govt finances for the next decade, that is. I think the most telling part of his whole speech yesterday which neatly popped his whole levelling up balloon was when he tried to mock "Islington" schools sports days for holding running races where no-one wins. That's not life, he said, everyone should have the same opportunity to win. Fair enough. However he did neglect to carry on the running race analogy by mentioning that some competitors have the advantage of starting halfway down the track as a result of their privileged backgrounds, contacts, Eton, Bullingdon Club etc. I very much doubt he'd be winning his own race without that head start!
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 7, 2021 8:20:38 GMT
Johnson is following in Blair’s footsteps where presentation is everything. Style over substance. Although style isn’t a word I’d usually associate with Boris Johnson. Leastways style as in snake oil salesman suave. Which was definitely Blair’s style. I don't remember Blair playing to the galleries by acting like a slightly pissed uncle at an open mic stand up night! Whatever you think of the disaster of Blair's foreign policy and cosying up to that idiot George W Bush, domestically if Bluffer achieves half of the improvements to health and education that were made under Blair, I'll be impressed! And before we open the whole tired debate about "bankrupting" the country to make those improvements, debt, deficit and spending were nothing out of the ordinary under Blair, until our friends in the City and across global financial markets decided to destroy the economy and govt finances for the next decade, that is. I think the most telling part of his whole speech yesterday which neatly popped his whole levelling up balloon was when he tried to mock "Islington" schools sports days for holding running races where no-one wins. That's not life, he said, everyone should have the same opportunity to win. Fair enough. However he did neglect to carry on the running race analogy by mentioning that some competitors have the advantage of starting halfway down the track as a result of their privileged backgrounds, contacts, Eton, Bullingdon Club etc. I very much doubt he'd be winning his own race without that head start! Like I said, Johnson isn’t as suave as Blair. But it’s still all words, words, words. Blair’s words were classical political posturing…. education, education, education, tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime etc etc Johnson’s words are more stand up comedian posturing… build back beaver ffs! More Tommy Cooper than Dave Allen it must be said. Then again, as Blair knew and Johnson knows, when your opposition is feeble words can be enough. The key is avoiding catastrophic military adventures.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 7, 2021 9:45:05 GMT
I don't remember Blair playing to the galleries by acting like a slightly pissed uncle at an open mic stand up night! Whatever you think of the disaster of Blair's foreign policy and cosying up to that idiot George W Bush, domestically if Bluffer achieves half of the improvements to health and education that were made under Blair, I'll be impressed! And before we open the whole tired debate about "bankrupting" the country to make those improvements, debt, deficit and spending were nothing out of the ordinary under Blair, until our friends in the City and across global financial markets decided to destroy the economy and govt finances for the next decade, that is. I think the most telling part of his whole speech yesterday which neatly popped his whole levelling up balloon was when he tried to mock "Islington" schools sports days for holding running races where no-one wins. That's not life, he said, everyone should have the same opportunity to win. Fair enough. However he did neglect to carry on the running race analogy by mentioning that some competitors have the advantage of starting halfway down the track as a result of their privileged backgrounds, contacts, Eton, Bullingdon Club etc. I very much doubt he'd be winning his own race without that head start! Like I said, Johnson isn’t as suave as Blair. But it’s still all words, words, words. Blair’s words were classical political posturing…. education, education, education, tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime etc etc Johnson’s words are more stand up comedian posturing… build back beaver ffs! More Tommy Cooper than Dave Allen it must be said. Then again, as Blair knew and Johnson knows, when your opposition is feeble words can be enough. The key is avoiding catastrophic military adventures. That, and actually improving things, domestically at least, as Blair demonstrably did. You're right about words, words, words. That's why I wondered in my previous post whether we have reached a point in politics now, with Trump and Johnson at the apogee, where all that matters anymore is making people feel good about what they're hearing. It doesn't matter if actual life gets worse, even for those people who love what they're hearing, provided there's someone else to point the finger at...the EU, the French, immigrants, business, the Left, previous (obviously non-Tory!) governments' dithering etc etc...enough people will be prepared to ignore the reality and swallow the fantasy while their own lives get worse...
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 7, 2021 18:14:48 GMT
I think a few of the Tory faithful are starting to see through the bluff and bluster.
Second day running the Torygraph has carried a letter critical of Bluffer at the head of its letters page:
"I was amazed at Boris Johnson's claim that he has the guts to make Britain a high wage country. The PM appears to have lost touch with reality. He has done virtually nothing about the major problems affecting the country. Nor did he have the courage to sack his most incompetent ministers (Gavin Williamson and Matt Hancock). Grant Shapps remains in his job. Mr Johnson is unable to give a straight answer to questions".
Interesting stuff. The Telegraph itself remains devotedly loyal, thinking his comic speech was a triumph of wit and showmanship, but perhaps underneath the inevitable need to say he was great there are rumblings of what the fuck....?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 7, 2021 18:22:27 GMT
I think a few of the Tory faithful are starting to see through the bluff and bluster. Second day running the Torygraph has carried a letter critical of Bluffer at the head of its letters page: "I was amazed at Boris Johnson's claim that he has the guts to make Britain a high wage country. The PM appears to have lost touch with reality. He has done virtually nothing about the major problems affecting the country. Nor did he have the courage to sack his most incompetent ministers (Gavin Williamson and Matt Hancock). Grant Shapps remains in his job. Mr Johnson is unable to give a straight answer to questions". Interesting stuff. The Telegraph itself remains devotedly loyal, thinking his comic speech was a triumph of wit and showmanship, but perhaps underneath the inevitable need to say he was great there are rumblings of what the fuck....? Who cares? He sure knows how to crack a joke does Bozzer!😉
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Post by 828492 on Oct 7, 2021 19:00:23 GMT
I think a few of the Tory faithful are starting to see through the bluff and bluster. Second day running the Torygraph has carried a letter critical of Bluffer at the head of its letters page: "I was amazed at Boris Johnson's claim that he has the guts to make Britain a high wage country. The PM appears to have lost touch with reality. He has done virtually nothing about the major problems affecting the country. Nor did he have the courage to sack his most incompetent ministers (Gavin Williamson and Matt Hancock). Grant Shapps remains in his job. Mr Johnson is unable to give a straight answer to questions". Interesting stuff. The Telegraph itself remains devotedly loyal, thinking his comic speech was a triumph of wit and showmanship, but perhaps underneath the inevitable need to say he was great there are rumblings of what the fuck....? Who cares? He sure knows how to crack a joke does Bozzer!😉 He certainly knows how to take the piss out of us
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Post by 3putts on Oct 7, 2021 20:01:12 GMT
I think a few of the Tory faithful are starting to see through the bluff and bluster. Second day running the Torygraph has carried a letter critical of Bluffer at the head of its letters page: "I was amazed at Boris Johnson's claim that he has the guts to make Britain a high wage country. The PM appears to have lost touch with reality. He has done virtually nothing about the major problems affecting the country. Nor did he have the courage to sack his most incompetent ministers (Gavin Williamson and Matt Hancock). Grant Shapps remains in his job. Mr Johnson is unable to give a straight answer to questions". Interesting stuff. The Telegraph itself remains devotedly loyal, thinking his comic speech was a triumph of wit and showmanship, but perhaps underneath the inevitable need to say he was great there are rumblings of what the fuck....? Who cares? He sure knows how to crack a joke does Bozzer!😉 Jim Davidson for pm
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 7, 2021 21:41:17 GMT
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Post by ashleyscfc on Oct 7, 2021 23:42:49 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 8, 2021 7:14:51 GMT
The usual may, could, might by the impeccably scrupulous crowdfunding clowns consortiums.
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