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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 3, 2021 10:33:28 GMT
And most of those car parks were built and given to private companies under blairs ppi initiative Same old labor pretending to be the workers friend
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 3, 2021 10:35:39 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 3, 2021 15:07:49 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 3, 2021 16:40:37 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 4, 2021 10:33:30 GMT
If only that ball was red...
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 4, 2021 15:39:18 GMT
If only that ball was red... Even better if it was a red snooker ball.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Oct 4, 2021 16:42:29 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 4, 2021 17:07:36 GMT
You can’t beat a good copy and paste to a link
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 4, 2021 17:13:05 GMT
Most amusing😏
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 4, 2021 17:24:35 GMT
So companies aren't now offering higher wages to warehouse staff and hgv drivers. Be interesting to see a Fact Check on Johnson’s claim, because it looks to me he could be right and Andrew Marr wrong. Leastways, based on this chart from the latest ONS stats Marr is referring to… Of course, the reasons for the kick up in that graph are myriad and not necessarily anything to do with this Government, but it does look like this supports what Johnson said. Looks like you only have two wishes left now, choose better with the others
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 4, 2021 17:25:15 GMT
Pandora Papers: Questions over Tory donations by ex-Russian minister's wife link
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 4, 2021 17:33:47 GMT
Pandora Papers: Businessman linked to Tory donations made millions from alleged fraud linklies and corruption go hand in hand with thr tories
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Post by essexstokey on Oct 4, 2021 19:09:16 GMT
Wow panorama tonight really showed the Tories for the corrupt party they are
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 5, 2021 5:21:44 GMT
Wow panorama tonight really showed the Tories for the corrupt party they are What are the chances you watch a program that confirms to you exactly what you already thought, I watched it seemed a bit thin for 18 months work, all donations were legal, business people involved in russia may not have made their money honestly - absolute dynamite stuff that.....
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Post by thevoid on Oct 5, 2021 5:33:43 GMT
Wow panorama tonight really showed the Tories for the corrupt party they are I bet your entire life's based around what's on the television
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 5, 2021 9:38:27 GMT
DT: "A series of ministers used the Conservative Party conference as a platform to criticise firms, with several members of the Cabinet understood to be furious at what they see as companies trying to shift the blame onto the government. In recent weeks, supermarkets, retailers and hauliers have complained about supply chain problems which they blame on labour issues brought about by Covid and Brexit. As warnings of Christmas shortages increase, ministers decided to go on the attack, blaming business for failing to prepare for Brexit".
Two things. First - isn't this precisely what "business" was predicting would happen pre-Brexit? And wasn't business crying out constantly for direction on Brexit, which never came?
And second - it's a bit rich for the government to accuse others of trying to pass the blame, it's what they do constantly, it's a central part of their popularity, identify someone else as the problem and reap the votes...
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 5, 2021 9:54:51 GMT
Interesting report on health care spending...
"Health spending down by 24% in last six years. Public health spending has fallen by a quarter in real terms over six years. England's public health grant has been cut by 24% in real terms per capita since 2015-16, a reduction of around £1bn, according to the Health Foundation. It found that more deprived areas have borne the brunt of the cut, despite people in those areas generally having poorer health. The analysis shows that stop smoking services and tobacco control funding have been cut by about 33% - the greatest real terms fall. Funding for alcohol and drug services has fallen by 17%, while sexual health services have seen a fall of 14%."
...worth bearing in mind the next time the Tories tell us how much they care about the NHS, fixing social care and all that extra cash they're chucking into it...
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 5, 2021 10:21:33 GMT
One of my arguments against the EU was that it isn't a democratic system, it is deliberately, remote, complicated and deceitful to ensure that its main purpose is never challenged ..,an organisation set up to achieve ever closer Union.....an organisation not a political system.
Anyway that argument has been done.
In respect of the UK, I wonder if we have inadvertently set up an elected dictatorship, an hegemony....in effect a government ( or organisation?) that can ' rule' for the foreseeable....no matter how badly the Tories do?.....of course it is possible to elect an alternative.....is there one?
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Oct 5, 2021 10:41:33 GMT
One of my arguments against the EU was that it isn't a democratic system, it is deliberately, remote, complicated and deceitful to ensure that its main purpose is never challenged ..,an organisation set up to achieve ever closer Union.....an organisation not a political system. Anyway that argument has been done. In respect of the UK, I wonder if we have inadvertently set up an elected dictatorship, an hegemony....in effect a government ( or organisation?) that can ' rule' for the foreseeable....no matter how badly the Tories do?.....of course it is possible to elect an alternative.....is there one? The current electoral system is rigged against radical alternative and accountabilty. Only two parties can credibly be elected into power. Other political movements who may be able to gain traction and numbers of the popular vote are never able to translate that into parliamentary representation. And that's the way the two main parties like it and on which they are fully united Eventually the population will get bored with an incompetent and corrupt Tory govt and replace it with an ineffective and fragmented labour govt while the Tories go away and regroup until it's their turn again - because there is no other choice.
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 5, 2021 11:03:19 GMT
One of my arguments against the EU was that it isn't a democratic system, it is deliberately, remote, complicated and deceitful to ensure that its main purpose is never challenged ..,an organisation set up to achieve ever closer Union.....an organisation not a political system. Anyway that argument has been done. In respect of the UK, I wonder if we have inadvertently set up an elected dictatorship, an hegemony....in effect a government ( or organisation?) that can ' rule' for the foreseeable....no matter how badly the Tories do?.....of course it is possible to elect an alternative.....is there one? The current electoral system is rigged against radical alternative and accountabilty. Only two parties can credibly be elected into power. Other political movements who may be able to gain traction and numbers of the popular vote are never able to translate that into parliamentary representation. And that's the way the two main parties like it and on which they are fully united Eventually the population will get bored with an incompetent and corrupt Tory govt and replace it with an ineffective and fragmented labour govt while the Tories go away and regroup until it's their turn again - because there is no other choice. A bit like the European PR system then where the same old failed politicians keep in power Despite what the majority wants Where they can promise the world knowing they will never have to deliver it as they will never be in sole power We would like to do this and that But we can’t the coalition partners won’t let us And so the shit show continues
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 5, 2021 11:12:58 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 5, 2021 11:27:21 GMT
One of my arguments against the EU was that it isn't a democratic system, it is deliberately, remote, complicated and deceitful to ensure that its main purpose is never challenged ..,an organisation set up to achieve ever closer Union.....an organisation not a political system. Anyway that argument has been done. In respect of the UK, I wonder if we have inadvertently set up an elected dictatorship, an hegemony....in effect a government ( or organisation?) that can ' rule' for the foreseeable....no matter how badly the Tories do?.....of course it is possible to elect an alternative.....is there one? The current electoral system is rigged against radical alternative and accountabilty. Only two parties can credibly be elected into power. Other political movements who may be able to gain traction and numbers of the popular vote are never able to translate that into parliamentary representation. And that's the way the two main parties like it and on which they are fully united Eventually the population will get bored with an incompetent and corrupt Tory govt and replace it with an ineffective and fragmented labour govt while the Tories go away and regroup until it's their turn again - because there is no other choice. Yes , I understand the system, that basically is why I am against it ...but the point I'm making, we may have entered an era where , even within the system, there is no effective opposition nor alternative.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Oct 5, 2021 11:30:57 GMT
The current electoral system is rigged against radical alternative and accountabilty. Only two parties can credibly be elected into power. Other political movements who may be able to gain traction and numbers of the popular vote are never able to translate that into parliamentary representation. And that's the way the two main parties like it and on which they are fully united Eventually the population will get bored with an incompetent and corrupt Tory govt and replace it with an ineffective and fragmented labour govt while the Tories go away and regroup until it's their turn again - because there is no other choice. Yes , I understand the system, that basically is why I am against it ...but the point I'm making, we may have entered an era where , even within the system, there is no effective opposition nor alternative. The alternative is in transition - and a bit like your Brexit John - transations take time😉
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 5, 2021 11:32:40 GMT
Yes , I understand the system, that basically is why I am against it ...but the point I'm making, we may have entered an era where , even within the system, there is no effective opposition nor alternative. The alternative is in transition - and a bit like your Brexit John - transations take time😉 Perpetual transition, but never getting there?
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Oct 5, 2021 11:40:00 GMT
The alternative is in transition - and a bit like your Brexit John - transations take time😉 Perpetual transition, but never getting there? Indeed - benefits will be at least 10 years further down the line.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 5, 2021 11:53:08 GMT
Perpetual transition, but never getting there? Indeed - benefits will be at least 10 years further down the line. And in the meantime, try not to be poor, get ill or want a decent education...
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 5, 2021 13:28:08 GMT
Indeed - benefits will be at least 10 years further down the line. And in the meantime, try not to be poor, get ill or want a decent education... Better still try not to be a wet lettuce.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 5, 2021 13:28:44 GMT
Indeed - benefits will be at least 10 years further down the line. And in the meantime, try not to be poor, get ill or want a decent education... that's always a good strategy
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 5, 2021 13:31:41 GMT
Perpetual transition, but never getting there? Indeed - benefits will be at least 10 years further down the line. In respect of Brexit, that might be true, 5/ 10 years....I can't see any of the current left/ Labour being of influence whatsoever....of course things could change , but they seem so bad , I can't see it. Perhaps a Green party with socialist leanings?
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Oct 5, 2021 13:54:36 GMT
Indeed - benefits will be at least 10 years further down the line. In respect of Brexit, that might be true, 5/ 10 years....I can't see any of the current left/ Labour being of influence whatsoever....of course things could change , but they seem so bad , I can't see it. Perhaps a Green party with socialist leanings? Still wouldn't penetrate given the present electoral system. In the meantime rather than obsessing about the Labour party - who aren't in power - focus should be on those who who are (it won't turn your own lawn into a bowling green by simply pointing at the weeds in next doors) - however it seems they're getting less and less keen on people voicing their protests.
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