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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 29, 2017 17:42:56 GMT
Don't EVER want any Stoke player to fail.
On current form he shouldn't start, a striker needs to score goals something he'd patently unable to do at the moment.
So we've had:
- he needs to get fit - he needs game times - he needs the service - he needs one to open the floodgates.
How long more should we wait?
Not a big fan of Diouf up front but he's currently a better option than Bera
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Post by milky on Oct 29, 2017 17:44:57 GMT
By that you suggest that he's proving some people wrong though? He's had games, he's had chances and he's proved not up to the job. It happens in football though, no need to hang anyone. I just think it would be a lot less painless if we plan to get rid of him and replace him with a fit for purpose striker. I'm not. He hasn't scored and that's disappointing to say the least. But I sense some people would prefer him to fail so they can be proven right. Some wanted him to fail from the off because he clashed with "You know who ". Ditto Mark Hughes.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 29, 2017 17:50:39 GMT
I don’t get this "once he scores one then the heavens will open" theory. Bony finally scored in October last season but that didn’t start a rampant scoring period did it? IMO we’ve made a mistake in chasing and buying him because he’s turning out to be a one season wonder. I feel a bit sorry for him because of the pressure of expectation he’s is under. He’s clearly a very fit and able player so perhaps Hughes could look at him in a more creative position rather than out and out goal scorer. Well I did express it as an opinion, I didn't exactly say it would happen as a matter of fact did I? Easy tiger. You may be correct but can't see any basis for your opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 17:51:56 GMT
Don't EVER want any Stoke player to fail. On current form he shouldn't start, a striker needs to score goals something he'd patently unable to do at the moment. So we've had: - he needs to get fit - he needs game times - he needs the service - he needs one to open the floodgates. How long more should we wait? Not a big fan of Diouf up front but he's currently a better option than Bera He's only had 1 of those things though. He's now fit, and he's not getting games. He's had one game of service where he was unlucky not to score.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 29, 2017 17:56:18 GMT
Don't EVER want any Stoke player to fail. On current form he shouldn't start, a striker needs to score goals something he'd patently unable to do at the moment. So we've had: - he needs to get fit - he needs game times - he needs the service - he needs one to open the floodgates. How long more should we wait? Not a big fan of Diouf up front but he's currently a better option than Bera He's only had 1 of those things though. He's now fit, and he's not getting games. He's had one game of service where he was unlucky not to score. You're absolutely entitled to your opinion. I'd suggest however that if he was playing for anyone else we'd be having a good laugh. He's currently not good enough for the Premiership
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 29, 2017 18:01:08 GMT
He's only had 1 of those things though. He's now fit, and he's not getting games. He's had one game of service where he was unlucky not to score. You're absolutely entitled to your opinion. I'd suggest however that if he was playing for anyone else we'd be having a good laugh. He's currently not good enough for the Premiership How do you know, he's not getting the games, yesterday goes against what you're saying, he set one up, had a good chance saved and held the ball well, he very much looked the part, no striker scores every shot they have so why are we meant expect different from him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 18:10:45 GMT
He's only had 1 of those things though. He's now fit, and he's not getting games. He's had one game of service where he was unlucky not to score. You're absolutely entitled to your opinion. I'd suggest however that if he was playing for anyone else we'd be having a good laugh. He's currently not good enough for the Premiership Very true, but it tends to be that if a player is playing for another team, people don't watch enough of them to know what they're actually like, and laugh at whatever they hear on the internet or see from highlights. I thought he did well yesterday, was unlucky not to score, and played Adam through with a lovely ball. Yesterday, Saints and Arsenal have been his 3 best performances for us, and he's unlucky that he's only started 2 games so far. Last season he looked poor, but so did the whole attacking unit. This season, he's looked good, aside from the Everton game.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 29, 2017 18:26:53 GMT
You're absolutely entitled to your opinion. I'd suggest however that if he was playing for anyone else we'd be having a good laugh. He's currently not good enough for the Premiership How do you know, he's not getting the games, yesterday goes against what you're saying, he set one up, had a good chance saved and held the ball well, he very much looked the part, no striker scores every shot they have so why are we meant expect different from him. I don't "know", it's my subjective opinion. You're right not every striker scores with every shot but it would be nice if he scored full stop. He's had enough opportunity to disprove my subjective opinion He's currently not good enough for us and if any other striker had his goals to game time ratio they'd be slaughtered
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Post by Scrotnig on Oct 29, 2017 18:52:05 GMT
Thought he looked the part at Watford. We should persevere with him, I think he's a good player struggling to score but he will do in due course.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 29, 2017 19:33:14 GMT
You're absolutely entitled to your opinion. I'd suggest however that if he was playing for anyone else we'd be having a good laugh. He's currently not good enough for the Premiership Very true, but it tends to be that if a player is playing for another team, people don't watch enough of them to know what they're actually like, and laugh at whatever they hear on the internet or see from highlights. I thought he did well yesterday, was unlucky not to score, and played Adam through with a lovely ball. Yesterday, Saints and Arsenal have been his 3 best performances for us, and he's unlucky that he's only started 2 games so far. Last season he looked poor, but so did the whole attacking unit. This season, he's looked good, aside from the Everton game. How long did he play yesterday ?, he should have scored yet another gilt edge chance he has passed on, let's face it he really is not good enough to start we tried that last season and it cost us vital points, he could easily have cost us again yesterday thankfully we defended manfully until the end.
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Post by MilanStokie on Oct 29, 2017 19:42:05 GMT
Well I did express it as an opinion, I didn't exactly say it would happen as a matter of fact did I? Easy tiger. You may be correct but can't see any basis for your opinion. last time I checked you didn't require basis for opinion... I could have an opinion that it will be snowing tomorrow without having a bloody clue! however perhaps Berahino hitting 20+ in a single season before shows he is capable. for me his head is what's stopping him scoring. he could and should have 5 or 6 already this season!
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Oct 29, 2017 19:54:40 GMT
Think bera has shown good signs in both of the last two games on the shoulder of the last defender wanting the ball played into space. Like with his chance yesterday, I would like to see him given a run of 3 or 4 games with shaq and one other from Jese, sobhi and choupo behind him, give him a run with these playing the balls through into space. I think 1 goal for him will get him up and firing the goals in. He is after all our best option of getting 15 goals a season once confidence returns,
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 29, 2017 20:26:53 GMT
How do you know, he's not getting the games, yesterday goes against what you're saying, he set one up, had a good chance saved and held the ball well, he very much looked the part, no striker scores every shot they have so why are we meant expect different from him. I don't "know", it's my subjective opinion. You're right not every striker scores with every shot but it would be nice if he scored full stop. He's had enough opportunity to disprove my subjective opinion He's currently not good enough for us and if any other striker had his goals to game time ratio they'd be slaughtered If he'd had the others strikers chances his goals to games ratio wouldn't be what it is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 20:27:21 GMT
Very true, but it tends to be that if a player is playing for another team, people don't watch enough of them to know what they're actually like, and laugh at whatever they hear on the internet or see from highlights. I thought he did well yesterday, was unlucky not to score, and played Adam through with a lovely ball. Yesterday, Saints and Arsenal have been his 3 best performances for us, and he's unlucky that he's only started 2 games so far. Last season he looked poor, but so did the whole attacking unit. This season, he's looked good, aside from the Everton game. How long did he play yesterday ?, he should have scored yet another gilt edge chance he has passed on, let's face it he really is not good enough to start we tried that last season and it cost us vital points, he could easily have cost us again yesterday thankfully we defended manfully until the end. 15 minutes or so, and he looked far better than Choupo, set up Adam with a lovely ball and was very unlucky not to score past Gomes. he's passed up 2 guilt edged chances this season, the pen and that save, which I emphasise, was unlucky and a great save. If you really think he was the problem we had last season then I can't help you.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 29, 2017 20:28:37 GMT
Very true, but it tends to be that if a player is playing for another team, people don't watch enough of them to know what they're actually like, and laugh at whatever they hear on the internet or see from highlights. I thought he did well yesterday, was unlucky not to score, and played Adam through with a lovely ball. Yesterday, Saints and Arsenal have been his 3 best performances for us, and he's unlucky that he's only started 2 games so far. Last season he looked poor, but so did the whole attacking unit. This season, he's looked good, aside from the Everton game. How long did he play yesterday ?, he should have scored yet another gilt edge chance he has passed on, let's face it he really is not good enough to start we tried that last season and it cost us vital points, he could easily have cost us again yesterday thankfully we defended manfully until the end. Yet another, apart from the peno which other gilt edge chance has he had?
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Post by sutekh on Oct 29, 2017 20:36:49 GMT
He is not good enough for the premier league etc etc etc. Tone did us over like a kipper etc etc etc. He looks unfit etc etc etc. Hughes has spunked £15m etc etc etc.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 29, 2017 20:49:13 GMT
How long did he play yesterday ?, he should have scored yet another gilt edge chance he has passed on, let's face it he really is not good enough to start we tried that last season and it cost us vital points, he could easily have cost us again yesterday thankfully we defended manfully until the end. Yet another, apart from the peno which other gilt edge chance has he had? At least two last season plus the two this season, is none in four good enough for you ?
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 29, 2017 20:55:31 GMT
How long did he play yesterday ?, he should have scored yet another gilt edge chance he has passed on, let's face it he really is not good enough to start we tried that last season and it cost us vital points, he could easily have cost us again yesterday thankfully we defended manfully until the end. 15 minutes or so, and he looked far better than Choupo, set up Adam with a lovely ball and was very unlucky not to score past Gomes. he's passed up 2 guilt edged chances this season, the pen and that save, which I emphasise, was unlucky and a great save. If you really think he was the problem we had last season then I can't help you. Despite what Hughes does Moting is not a striker but he would rather persevere with him for 75 mins than play Berahino what does that say about him in the managers mind ?, any decent striker would have buried that chance he put it far to close to the keeper, he was a problem last season and cost us points I never said he was the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 20:59:22 GMT
15 minutes or so, and he looked far better than Choupo, set up Adam with a lovely ball and was very unlucky not to score past Gomes. he's passed up 2 guilt edged chances this season, the pen and that save, which I emphasise, was unlucky and a great save. If you really think he was the problem we had last season then I can't help you. Despite what Hughes does Moting is not a striker but he would rather persevere with him for 75 mins than play Berahino what does that say about him in the managers mind ?, any decent striker would have buried that chance he put it far to close to the keeper, he was a problem last season and cost us points I never said he was the problem. That says that the manager's selections are wrong. Decent strikers miss chances all the time, I think its just an excellent save. there's about an inch worth of space where he can hit it where it doesn't get saved or go wide. He's very unlucky that Gomes saved it. The problem last season was that we had no midfield creativity. Not much he can do if he barely gets the ball.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 29, 2017 21:20:32 GMT
I don't "know", it's my subjective opinion. You're right not every striker scores with every shot but it would be nice if he scored full stop. He's had enough opportunity to disprove my subjective opinion He's currently not good enough for us and if any other striker had his goals to game time ratio they'd be slaughtered If he'd had the others strikers chances his goals to games ratio wouldn't be what it is. What other strikers, what other chances? How many minutes has he played without scoring?
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 29, 2017 22:09:34 GMT
If he'd had the others strikers chances his goals to games ratio wouldn't be what it is. What other strikers, what other chances? How many minutes has he played without scoring? One name Peter Crouch ![(thumbsup)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/q4Mqf5MqRwT9PY8UitYa.gif) just about puts this argument to bed ! 37 years old still a better option than Berahino, sick of these lame excuses 18 months without a goal is poor for a striker it is not acceptable.
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Post by manmarking on Oct 29, 2017 22:16:15 GMT
How long did he play yesterday ?, he should have scored yet another gilt edge chance he has passed on, let's face it he really is not good enough to start we tried that last season and it cost us vital points, he could easily have cost us again yesterday thankfully we defended manfully until the end. 15 minutes or so, and he looked far better than Choupo, set up Adam with a lovely ball and was very unlucky not to score past Gomes. he's passed up 2 guilt edged chances this season, the pen and that save, which I emphasise, was unlucky and a great save. If you really think he was the problem we had last season then I can't help you. No one can help carps I'm afraid. He's beyond help ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by milky on Oct 29, 2017 22:25:11 GMT
Very true, but it tends to be that if a player is playing for another team, people don't watch enough of them to know what they're actually like, and laugh at whatever they hear on the internet or see from highlights. I thought he did well yesterday, was unlucky not to score, and played Adam through with a lovely ball. Yesterday, Saints and Arsenal have been his 3 best performances for us, and he's unlucky that he's only started 2 games so far. Last season he looked poor, but so did the whole attacking unit. This season, he's looked good, aside from the Everton game. How long did he play yesterday ?, he should have scored yet another gilt edge chance he has passed on, let's face it he really is not good enough to start we tried that last season and it cost us vital points, he could easily have cost us again yesterday thankfully we defended manfully until the end. Tell us about all these vital points he has cost us compared to any other player ? Yet again you just invent stuff to suit your agenda.
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Post by thehoof on Oct 29, 2017 22:40:57 GMT
What other strikers, what other chances? How many minutes has he played without scoring? One name Peter Crouch ![(thumbsup)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/q4Mqf5MqRwT9PY8UitYa.gif) just about puts this argument to bed ! 37 years old still a better option than Berahino, sick of these lame excuses 18 months without a goal is poor for a striker it is not acceptable. Wasn't it 18 games for Liverpool ( as a starter) before Crouchy broke his duck ( via a massive deflection)? Just saying.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 29, 2017 22:59:13 GMT
What other strikers, what other chances? How many minutes has he played without scoring? One name Peter Crouch ![(thumbsup)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/q4Mqf5MqRwT9PY8UitYa.gif) just about puts this argument to bed ! 37 years old still a better option than Berahino, sick of these lame excuses 18 months without a goal is poor for a striker it is not acceptable. The reason Crouch does better is because all you have to do is lump it up to him or whack it to the back post due to his hight, it takes no skill or imagination, lump it over and over and eventually he'll get a header, it puts nothing to bed.
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Post by potterpaul on Oct 30, 2017 9:13:25 GMT
Bojan struggled but he scored Joselu struggled but scored Diouf struggles but still finds the net Crouch stagnant, aging and little game time but still regularly adds goals Jese scored without pulling any trees up Choupo still finding feet in new league scored
Saido...............
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 30, 2017 9:25:28 GMT
How many games and minutes without scoring now?
He must be close to some kind of Premier League record for a striker.
I cant believe how some fans are still saying he is the answer. HAHAHAHAHA
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Post by sutekh on Oct 30, 2017 9:33:14 GMT
How many games and minutes without scoring now? He must be close to some kind of Premier League record for a striker. I cant believe how some fans are still saying he is the answer. HAHAHAHAHA Nobody is saying that he is the answer,but he is a Stoke City player and as one of us surely we should get behind him instead of knocking him every week ffs. Just a thought.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 9:43:23 GMT
He should have had an assist, but for Charlie's shocking miss!
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Oct 30, 2017 10:21:30 GMT
How many games and minutes without scoring now? He must be close to some kind of Premier League record for a striker. I cant believe how some fans are still saying he is the answer. HAHAHAHAHA Nobody is saying that he is the answer,but he is a Stoke City player and as one of us surely we should get behind him instead of knocking him every week ffs. Just a thought. Some of the comments on here are hilariously crass. Constantly slating Berahino is easy. But completely destructive. We know there's a goalscorer in there somewhere. The question is How do you bring it out? That's the difficult bit. He's young with time on his side and I'm convinced that he will come good for us. But FFS let's stop crucifying him.
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