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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 29, 2017 9:25:14 GMT
He is getting some harsh shit here. He came on and played a part in much needed away win. That's a good thing isn't it?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 29, 2017 9:26:14 GMT
He was unlucky with that difficult chance yesterday.... It was a great save, you're pathetic lad. Any striker worth his salt has to bury that chance. We have to accept this fella will never come good and start thinking about the best exit strategy.
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Post by superheroantonius on Oct 29, 2017 9:27:11 GMT
I can't believe this thread has made 12 pages !
It's very simple ,if you are going to play up front, you have to be able to make it happen
Fuller did it one way , beattie another .
Berahino doesn't know how to .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 9:28:22 GMT
He is getting some harsh shit here. He came on and played a part in much needed away win. That's a good thing isn't it? For some yes others dunna want him to succeed 🤔
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Post by skip on Oct 29, 2017 9:36:00 GMT
I thought we were getting a younger Jermaine Defoe style striker, one who could create a yard of space by good movement and clever runs and then manage to get a shot off most times to test the keeper. This is what I thought I saw in his decent run of form at WBA, but we have not really witnessed that here. Has he stopped making those runs or are the other players not on the same wavelength to read his movement? Has he really lost it at only 24? It is just confidence and game time he needs? Must we change the formation to get the best out of him? I don't think anyone really knows, and the title of this thread is really unfortunate. I really, really hope he can get his mojo back - confidence is a weird thing - Match of the Day highlighted Rashford's supreme confidence on Saturday - things just come off for you when you're right on it. SB looks miles from this - I just hope he can break his duck soon and get going. What a difference he could make. It's not like he's not trying though, and I don't see how getting on his back helps anyone. I was thinking pretty much the same thing; players currently absolutely on it right now have ten times his confidence in front of goal. He doesn't need games he needs CBT! (Said in a supportive non-judgmental fashion).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 9:47:38 GMT
It was a great save, you're pathetic lad. Any striker worth his salt has to bury that chance. We have to accept this fella will never come good and start thinking about the best exit strategy. He hit the target and the keeper made a good save, it happens.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 29, 2017 9:54:04 GMT
Any striker worth his salt has to bury that chance. We have to accept this fella will never come good and start thinking about the best exit strategy. He hit the target and the keeper made a good save, it happens. He hasn't scored in 18 months. A striker without a goal in a year and a fucking half. It's absolutely insane. He has to bury that yesterday, has to. He's been an absolutely disastrous signing and we need to work out how to move him on.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 29, 2017 10:03:59 GMT
Yea he probably should of scored but still a good save, thought he looked sharper more movement from him A decent top flight striker would have buried that chance that was about as straightforward as they come.
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Post by cousindupree on Oct 29, 2017 10:30:34 GMT
Many on here have been trolling out the lame excuse that he doesn't get the service, here is a peach of a ball from Shaq just where the forward wants it and he puts it too close to the keeper. Shaq's face at that miss was a picture! Surely we have seen enough of the lad by now to come to the conclusion that it's time to put a plan in place to see if we can recover some of that huge investment. A loan in January to a midlands based champ team should happen to try and sharpen him up. You can't criticise Hughes for not giving him chances to prove himself, but yesterday's miss was at a crucial time in the game and should have wrapped up the 3 points and given us a less stressful finish to the game. You can understand why Hughes won't start him anytime soon.
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Post by MilanStokie on Oct 29, 2017 10:37:24 GMT
He hit the target and the keeper made a good save, it happens. He hasn't scored in 18 months. A striker without a goal in a year and a fucking half. It's absolutely insane. He has to bury that yesterday, has to. He's been an absolutely disastrous signing and we need to work out how to move him on. and that's clearly on his mind. Hughes had his arm around him right away. the thing is, when that first goal goes in I am convinced we will see a completely new and different player. that's why we need to get behind him rather than on his back...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 10:42:08 GMT
Yes he's had two goals gifted to him so far this season. The penalty and now this and missed them both. We could have lost four points as a result.
I think he could come good but I think he needs a loan spell. We cannot afford to risk playing him
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Post by stokiesteve on Oct 29, 2017 10:48:36 GMT
He hit the target and the keeper made a good save, it happens. He hasn't scored in 18 months. A striker without a goal in a year and a fucking half. It's absolutely insane. He has to bury that yesterday, has to. He's been an absolutely disastrous signing and we need to work out how to move him on. Harsh but I agree with the sentiments. Perhaps he just isn't happy here. We know he has the talent, but we're not seeing it. To be fair, if you and me were under performing at work I'm sure we would be made aware of it, and if it continued, we'd be fooked off. It may be good for him to just disappear in the reserves for some time, let him find his way again.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 29, 2017 11:39:48 GMT
He hasn't scored in 18 months. A striker without a goal in a year and a fucking half. It's absolutely insane. He has to bury that yesterday, has to. He's been an absolutely disastrous signing and we need to work out how to move him on. and that's clearly on his mind. Hughes had his arm around him right away. the thing is, when that first goal goes in I am convinced we will see a completely new and different player. that's why we need to get behind him rather than on his back... I don’t get this "once he scores one then the heavens will open" theory. Bony finally scored in October last season but that didn’t start a rampant scoring period did it? IMO we’ve made a mistake in chasing and buying him because he’s turning out to be a one season wonder. I feel a bit sorry for him because of the pressure of expectation he’s is under. He’s clearly a very fit and able player so perhaps Hughes could look at him in a more creative position rather than out and out goal scorer.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 11:41:46 GMT
I think hes suffering acute and extreme 'writers block'
only, with a football
I suspect he'll come good though
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 29, 2017 11:59:40 GMT
He is getting some harsh shit here. He came on and played a part in much needed away win. That's a good thing isn't it? For some yes others dunna want him to succeed 🤔 Sadly I tend to agree.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 29, 2017 12:04:43 GMT
For some yes others dunna want him to succeed 🤔 Sadly I tend to agree. Why would any Stoke fan want him to fail? There has to be a cut off point though. He has one job, to score goals. When do we say enough is enough? Two years without a goal? Three?
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 29, 2017 12:07:29 GMT
Why would any Stoke fan want him to fail? There has to be a cut off point though. He has one job, to score goals. When do we say enough is enough? Two years without a goal? Three? Because some have forced themselves into a corner.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 12:09:03 GMT
He came on yesterday and offered more up top than anybody else did in the 75 minutes before - brilliant movement for Shaq’s ball, a great save from Gomes, could’ve so easily have gone in. Then a cracking ball into Charlie Adam who should’ve scored. He’s improving, back the kid.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 29, 2017 12:13:14 GMT
Why would any Stoke fan want him to fail? There has to be a cut off point though. He has one job, to score goals. When do we say enough is enough? Two years without a goal? Three? Because some have forced themselves into a corner. By that you suggest that he's proving some people wrong though? He's had games, he's had chances and he's proved not up to the job. It happens in football though, no need to hang anyone. I just think it would be a lot less painless if we plan to get rid of him and replace him with a fit for purpose striker.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 29, 2017 12:16:49 GMT
Because some have forced themselves into a corner. By that you suggest that he's proving some people wrong though? He's had games, he's had chances and he's proved not up to the job. It happens in football though, no need to hang anyone. I just think it would be a lot less painless if we plan to get rid of him and replace him with a fit for purpose striker. I'm not. He hasn't scored and that's disappointing to say the least. But I sense some people would prefer him to fail so they can be proven right.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 12:30:18 GMT
Mark Stein was absolute shite on loan first time around and look how he turned out.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 29, 2017 12:31:04 GMT
He came on yesterday and offered more up top than anybody else did in the 75 minutes before - brilliant movement for Shaq’s ball, a great save from Gomes, could’ve so easily have gone in. Then a cracking ball into Charlie Adam who should’ve scored. He’s improving, back the kid. Spot on, I don't understand how others aren't seeing it this way, he held the ball more in the few mins he was on than Moting did for the entire game.
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Post by blooter on Oct 29, 2017 12:43:43 GMT
He came on yesterday and offered more up top than anybody else did in the 75 minutes before - brilliant movement for Shaq’s ball, a great save from Gomes, could’ve so easily have gone in. Then a cracking ball into Charlie Adam who should’ve scored. He’s improving, back the kid. Spot on. I thought he was excellent.
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Oct 29, 2017 12:43:51 GMT
All top strikers are we??
He’s going through a rough patch. MANY strikers have had these including the great ones. Great save from Gomes. That goes in 8/10
Berahino would have scored the Adam chance.
He needs a run of 4/5 games, but Hughes daren’t
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Post by professorplump on Oct 29, 2017 13:01:04 GMT
He hit the target and the keeper made a good save, it happens. He hasn't scored in 18 months. A striker without a goal in a year and a fucking half. It's absolutely insane. He has to bury that yesterday, has to. He's been an absolutely disastrous signing and we need to work out how to move him on. Out of interest, how many times has he started a game in those 18 months?
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 29, 2017 13:05:13 GMT
We just have to stick with him and hope he gets one and goes on a run then.
I confess that I'm stunned at how hard he's finding it too notch. Surely there's a sports psychologist somewhere who could sort him??!!
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Post by waffles on Oct 29, 2017 15:43:05 GMT
I do agree with you re choupo but to be fair to Hughes yesterday his tactics worked and we could have won 3 0 in the end! And non of it would have had anything to do with Choupo playing centre forward. So, you would not have employed the tactics Hughes used to win a game? Please feel free to share your vision for for the next game, I'm absolutely certain we will all be engrossed José.
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Post by MilanStokie on Oct 29, 2017 17:16:47 GMT
and that's clearly on his mind. Hughes had his arm around him right away. the thing is, when that first goal goes in I am convinced we will see a completely new and different player. that's why we need to get behind him rather than on his back... I don’t get this "once he scores one then the heavens will open" theory. Bony finally scored in October last season but that didn’t start a rampant scoring period did it? IMO we’ve made a mistake in chasing and buying him because he’s turning out to be a one season wonder. I feel a bit sorry for him because of the pressure of expectation he’s is under. He’s clearly a very fit and able player so perhaps Hughes could look at him in a more creative position rather than out and out goal scorer. Well I did express it as an opinion, I didn't exactly say it would happen as a matter of fact did I?
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Oct 29, 2017 17:33:46 GMT
He came on yesterday and offered more up top than anybody else did in the 75 minutes before - brilliant movement for Shaq’s ball, a great save from Gomes, could’ve so easily have gone in. Then a cracking ball into Charlie Adam who should’ve scored. He’s improving, back the kid. Spot on, I don't understand how others aren't seeing it this way, he held the ball more in the few mins he was on than Moting did for the entire game. Seconded... I thought he did really well when he came on and on another day he walks off having scored 1 and made 1.
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Post by kustokie on Oct 29, 2017 17:34:46 GMT
Right now Diouf is our best option up front and at RWB. He can’t play both but he is needed more for his defensively capability than he is up front and it frees Cameron to play at either DM or CB. Hughes should persist with Diouf at RWB and start Berahino up front in every game between now any Christmas because it’s the only way he’ll find out if Berahino can recover his form or if he bought another dud.
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