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Post by crapslinger on Aug 30, 2019 21:16:11 GMT
The Guardian left left left left left has about as much credence as the Sun FFS.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 22:11:38 GMT
I've just seen that Gordon Brown is now saying in The Herald (can't do the links right now) that he believes the EU leaders (who he say's he's been talking to this week) will withdraw the October 31st deadline next week and remove any excuse for a No-Deal Brexit. He reckons this will enable Parliament to introduce legislation next week to force Boris to ask for another extension (which Macron is now in favour of), and also to make No-Deal impossible in the future.
Absolute bunch of shysters the lot of 'em !
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 30, 2019 22:19:06 GMT
I've just seen that Gordon Brown is now saying in The Herald (can't do the links right now) that he believes the EU leaders (who he say's he's been talking to this week) will withdraw the October 31st deadline next week and remove any excuse for a No-Deal Brexit. He reckons this will enable Parliament to introduce legislation next week to force Boris to ask for another extension (which Macron is now in favour of), and also to make No-Deal impossible in the future. Absolute bunch of shysters the lot of 'em ! If true it's really quite sinister.
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Post by serpico on Aug 30, 2019 22:23:15 GMT
I've just seen that Gordon Brown is now saying in The Herald (can't do the links right now) that he believes the EU leaders (who he say's he's been talking to this week) will withdraw the October 31st deadline next week and remove any excuse for a No-Deal Brexit. He reckons this will enable Parliament to introduce legislation next week to force Boris to ask for another extension (which Macron is now in favour of), and also to make No-Deal impossible in the future. Absolute bunch of shysters the lot of 'em ! This is disgusting behaviour, he should not be interfering, arrogant bastard.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 30, 2019 22:28:33 GMT
I've just seen that Gordon Brown is now saying in The Herald (can't do the links right now) that he believes the EU leaders (who he say's he's been talking to this week) will withdraw the October 31st deadline next week and remove any excuse for a No-Deal Brexit. He reckons this will enable Parliament to introduce legislation next week to force Boris to ask for another extension (which Macron is now in favour of), and also to make No-Deal impossible in the future. Absolute bunch of shysters the lot of 'em ! This is disgusting behaviour, he should not be interfering, arrogant bastard. If it is true it could be the straw that broke the camel's back for the UK public and see a ground swell of support for Boris. Interesting times.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 22:30:13 GMT
Boris must have had them all rattled as it was getting fairly close to the "supposed" leave day. They're ALL closing ranks and doing whatever and/or everything they possibly can to try to thwart No-Deal and, why can't they just be honest, any form of Brexit at all.
A perfect example of total shithousery !
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 22:30:59 GMT
This is disgusting behaviour, he should not be interfering, arrogant bastard. If it is true it could be the straw that broke the camel's back for the UK public and see a ground swell of support for Boris. Interesting times. I think you might be right. I want to leave (ideally) although I understand there are huge problems that haven’t been resolved and I’d rather not have a right wing Brexit, but you can’t overturn a democratic vote. This is a disgrace.
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 30, 2019 23:37:34 GMT
I've just seen that Gordon Brown is now saying in The Herald (can't do the links right now) that he believes the EU leaders (who he say's he's been talking to this week) will withdraw the October 31st deadline next week and remove any excuse for a No-Deal Brexit. He reckons this will enable Parliament to introduce legislation next week to force Boris to ask for another extension (which Macron is now in favour of), and also to make No-Deal impossible in the future. Absolute bunch of shysters the lot of 'em ! If true it's really quite sinister. Would hardly be surprising. There are some truly dark forces at work.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 31, 2019 0:20:14 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Aug 31, 2019 0:36:36 GMT
We “made our own mind up” on it. Time for implementation.
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Post by thingscouldbemarvellous on Aug 31, 2019 0:37:06 GMT
I've just seen that Gordon Brown is now saying in The Herald (can't do the links right now) that he believes the EU leaders (who he say's he's been talking to this week) will withdraw the October 31st deadline next week and remove any excuse for a No-Deal Brexit. He reckons this will enable Parliament to introduce legislation next week to force Boris to ask for another extension (which Macron is now in favour of), and also to make No-Deal impossible in the future. Absolute bunch of shysters the lot of 'em ! The October 31st extension is a treaty written into international law which requires both sides to agree if it is to be extended further. So I’m not sure what old Droopy Gordon is on about there
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 4:39:47 GMT
I've just seen that Gordon Brown is now saying in The Herald (can't do the links right now) that he believes the EU leaders (who he say's he's been talking to this week) will withdraw the October 31st deadline next week and remove any excuse for a No-Deal Brexit. He reckons this will enable Parliament to introduce legislation next week to force Boris to ask for another extension (which Macron is now in favour of), and also to make No-Deal impossible in the future. Absolute bunch of shysters the lot of 'em ! The October 31st extension is a treaty written into international law which requires both sides to agree if it is to be extended further. So I’m not sure what old Droopy Gordon is on about there In the article he implies that Parliament will pass legislation this week to force BJ to ask for yet another bloody extension, and that the EU will readily accept and give another (as long as necessary - open ended ?) extension as Macron is now in agreement. Apparently the only reason it was 31st October was because Macron wanted to appear tough (in France) before the EU elections in May. Once an extension is requested and approved the treaty can be amended/replaced. Time will tell I guess. Nothing these shysters do should surprise us anymore. Remember the day after the EU election the M.P.s (Corbyn, Mcdonnell, Starmer, etc etc etc) all came on tv and said "lessons have been learned....we've listened to the people and understand we need to get on and deliver Brexit" ! Lying bast*rds, they (particularly Labour) have just done precisely the opposite. Just honour and implement the referendum result you complete and utter lying, deceitful bunch of shysters ! If there is to be a general election then the voters need to remember all these shenanigans and lies.
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Post by Davef on Aug 31, 2019 6:15:57 GMT
The Guardian left left left left left has about as much credence as the Sun FFS. It's not an opinion piece, it's a report with actual quotes that has been replicated by many different media outlets.
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 31, 2019 6:27:25 GMT
Why are Bucksfizz, Big Sam, the Wolf & Phil Mitchell in that tableau. What does it all mean...
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 31, 2019 6:49:24 GMT
The October 31st extension is a treaty written into international law which requires both sides to agree if it is to be extended further. So I’m not sure what old Droopy Gordon is on about there In the article he implies that Parliament will pass legislation this week to force BJ to ask for yet another bloody extension, and that the EU will readily accept and give another (as long as necessary - open ended ?) extension as Macron is now in agreement. Apparently the only reason it was 31st October was because Macron wanted to appear tough (in France) before the EU elections in May. Once an extension is requested and approved the treaty can be amended/replaced. Time will tell I guess. Nothing these shysters do should surprise us anymore. Remember the day after the EU election the M.P.s (Corbyn, Mcdonnell, Starmer, etc etc etc) all came on tv and said "lessons have been learned....we've listened to the people and understand we need to get on and deliver Brexit" ! Lying bast*rds, they (particularly Labour) have just done precisely the opposite. Just honour and implement the referendum result you complete and utter lying, deceitful bunch of shysters ! If there is to be a general election then the voters need to remember all these shenanigans and lies. I've said it many times before & I shall say it again, welcome to the hotel California...
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 31, 2019 7:41:50 GMT
That of course may change when new trade deals are done with australia and the usa and the printer in blackburn gets work from eu bands touring the uk until of course a deal is agreed which it will be even after no deal. Yes people will buy cds or tshirts at gigs but if they like you enough they will buy it online, christ I remember signing upto a mailing list for marillions support bans Jadis as they had sold all their tapes. My other point this bands are taking 100 or 200 at most compared to the cost of the tour itself its minimal extra cost. Is it not the case that the real issue is the inequality of wealth between the bigger bands and the poorer bands? That something has happened in society to make that chasm a lot bigger than it ever used to (apart from the odd noticeable exceptions)? That venues are greedier, the costs are extortionate and less people can afford to go and watch the bands? That agents, people who don’t do too much, are taking huge cuts of the profits? And that all these things are the real issues here and present a much bigger problem than having to pay VAT on some merchandise? I don't know how it works in the EU but I know how it works in the UK as I have a friend who has managed several major venues. The venues charge a pretty much fixed fee to hire the venue from memory a 3500 capacity venue was around 10k-12k for that they supply the security, bar staff etc. Venue keeps all the profits from the bar, food etc. A promoter agrees a fee with the band to play and the promoter then sells the tickets and is the one that makes the profit or loss. Personally I stopped going to the aircraft hanger gigs years ago once tickets started to go above £65 regularly, I still go to a few gigs but prefer smaller venues like islington academy, the underworld etc etc. Not sure if the problem is less people can afford or just that the generation now of music fans are used to not paying for music via streaming or downloading so going to gigs is a bit of a foreign concept. In my day bands in the usa could sell 500k-1m records in the week of release most now struggle to get to that in the 2 year life cycle of the album. Downloading pretty much killed off music as a career for many.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 31, 2019 7:44:46 GMT
Well I really didn't expect quite so much response for a simple posting putting across what I said at the outset was not the biggest issue, but an example of what no deal would mean. Still, if it's given the 'do-or-die' brigade a diversion for the evening then hey-ho. For info, I'm not in the music industry, but would be interested to know the thoughts of the 'Fisherman's Friends' who must be wondering whether they should be applauding the upcoming boost to the fishing industry , or the new challenges for their next European tour. As for Jadis I can only hope for Followyoudown's sake that they missed your address off the mailing list, as their gigs as Marillion support were certain to send me off to the merch desk to buy Wilkinson's latest tee-shirt- and with that I suppose this has come full circle. Sadly they didnt and after one 4.50 tape or whatever I lost interest they kept writing for a couple of years......
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 31, 2019 7:46:00 GMT
Why are Bucksfizz, Big Sam, the Wolf & Phil Mitchell in that tableau. What does it all mean... One of bucks fizz is standing for the brexit party the rest dont have a scoobys.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 31, 2019 7:52:44 GMT
In the article he implies that Parliament will pass legislation this week to force BJ to ask for yet another bloody extension, and that the EU will readily accept and give another (as long as necessary - open ended ?) extension as Macron is now in agreement. Apparently the only reason it was 31st October was because Macron wanted to appear tough (in France) before the EU elections in May. Once an extension is requested and approved the treaty can be amended/replaced. Time will tell I guess. Nothing these shysters do should surprise us anymore. Remember the day after the EU election the M.P.s (Corbyn, Mcdonnell, Starmer, etc etc etc) all came on tv and said "lessons have been learned....we've listened to the people and understand we need to get on and deliver Brexit" ! Lying bast*rds, they (particularly Labour) have just done precisely the opposite. Just honour and implement the referendum result you complete and utter lying, deceitful bunch of shysters ! If there is to be a general election then the voters need to remember all these shenanigans and lies. I've said it many times before & I shall say it again, welcome to the hotel California... Funnily enough Calexit was trending awhile ago www.cnbc.com/2018/04/24/calexit-plan-to-divorce-california-from-us-is-getting-a-second-chance.html
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Post by thingscouldbemarvellous on Aug 31, 2019 8:16:43 GMT
The October 31st extension is a treaty written into international law which requires both sides to agree if it is to be extended further. So I’m not sure what old Droopy Gordon is on about there In the article he implies that Parliament will pass legislation this week to force BJ to ask for yet another bloody extension, and that the EU will readily accept and give another (as long as necessary - open ended ?) extension as Macron is now in agreement. Apparently the only reason it was 31st October was because Macron wanted to appear tough (in France) before the EU elections in May. Once an extension is requested and approved the treaty can be amended/replaced. Time will tell I guess. Nothing these shysters do should surprise us anymore. Remember the day after the EU election the M.P.s (Corbyn, Mcdonnell, Starmer, etc etc etc) all came on tv and said "lessons have been learned....we've listened to the people and understand we need to get on and deliver Brexit" ! Lying bast*rds, they (particularly Labour) have just done precisely the opposite. Just honour and implement the referendum result you complete and utter lying, deceitful bunch of shysters ! If there is to be a general election then the voters need to remember all these shenanigans and lies. One thing I have been wondering about Parliament forcing him to ask for an extension - can they specify a time? Because I don’t remember it with Theresa May. I remember it was all over the news that TM personally wanted 3 months, the EU wanted 12 months, and the eventual extension granted was 6 months, but if TM got her deal through we could leave 3 months into it. If Parliament cannot legally specify a time that Boris has to ask for, if I were him I’d rock up and say ‘by law I have to ask you for an extension, so I am requesting a one hour extension’ 😂😂😂 by that point time would have run out for Parliament to force him to go again. Job done
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 31, 2019 9:01:24 GMT
Why are Bucksfizz, Big Sam, the Wolf & Phil Mitchell in that tableau. What does it all mean... One of bucks fizz is standing for the brexit party the rest dont have a scoobys. OMG, You’re right. Jay Ashton. She’ll have her Eurovision meddles taken away 🥇
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Aug 31, 2019 10:54:17 GMT
I've just seen that Gordon Brown is now saying in The Herald (can't do the links right now) that he believes the EU leaders (who he say's he's been talking to this week) will withdraw the October 31st deadline next week and remove any excuse for a No-Deal Brexit. He reckons this will enable Parliament to introduce legislation next week to force Boris to ask for another extension (which Macron is now in favour of), and also to make No-Deal impossible in the future. Absolute bunch of shysters the lot of 'em ! I'm missing something here, if the deadline is removed, isn't that effectively an indefinite extension? Whatever the situation, as far as I'm aware, we can leave at the end of the October as we do not need the EU's permission to leave. If a law is passed that means Parliament has to give explicit approval to leave, then that would clearly keep us in as things stand. I hope we can do a deal, but if a way is found to stop us leaving without a deal, then Boris will have no choice but to call a General Election. It will then be interesting to see if Boris can insist that Tory candidates support leaving the EU or not get selected for the Conservative party and therefore lead to the end of the Tory party as we know it. Edit:I just saw your explanation.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2019 10:59:34 GMT
I've just seen that Gordon Brown is now saying in The Herald (can't do the links right now) that he believes the EU leaders (who he say's he's been talking to this week) will withdraw the October 31st deadline next week and remove any excuse for a No-Deal Brexit. He reckons this will enable Parliament to introduce legislation next week to force Boris to ask for another extension (which Macron is now in favour of), and also to make No-Deal impossible in the future. Absolute bunch of shysters the lot of 'em ! I'm missing something here, if the deadline is removed, isn't that effectively an indefinite extension? Whatever the situation, as far as I'm aware, we can leave at the end of the October as we do not need the EU's permission to leave. If a law is passed that means Parliament has to give explicit approval to leave, then that would clearly keep us in as things stand. I hope we can do a deal, but if a way is found to stop us leaving without a deal, then Boris will have no choice but to call a General Election. It will then be interesting to see if Boris can insist that Tory candidates support leaving the EU or not get selected for the Conservative party and therefore lead to the end of the Tory party as we know it. Edit:I just saw your explanation. I think that you are right Richie.... except I don't think that we even need Article 50 to leave.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Aug 31, 2019 11:08:46 GMT
I'm missing something here, if the deadline is removed, isn't that effectively an indefinite extension? Whatever the situation, as far as I'm aware, we can leave at the end of the October as we do not need the EU's permission to leave. If a law is passed that means Parliament has to give explicit approval to leave, then that would clearly keep us in as things stand. I hope we can do a deal, but if a way is found to stop us leaving without a deal, then Boris will have no choice but to call a General Election. It will then be interesting to see if Boris can insist that Tory candidates support leaving the EU or not get selected for the Conservative party and therefore lead to the end of the Tory party as we know it. Edit:I just saw your explanation. I think that you are right Richie.... except I don't think that we even need Article 50 to leave. Much as it does not suit my views on leaving the EU, I'm not against the principle of requiring a confirmatory vote by Parliament.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 31, 2019 11:36:19 GMT
The similarities are uncanny 😉😊 For the UK, the choice is simple, as one between democracy and permanent second-class statehood; freedom to hire and fire the people who make the laws we have to obey and pay for, or be subservient to a German-run European super-state. I know which one I’d choose.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 31, 2019 12:53:34 GMT
The similarities are uncanny 😉😊 For the UK, the choice is simple, as one between democracy and permanent second-class statehood; freedom to hire and fire the people who make the laws we have to obey and pay for, or be subservient to a German-run European super-state. I know which one I’d choose. Not much ethnic diversity in the EU hierarchy and parliament either
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Post by thevoid on Aug 31, 2019 12:54:49 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 31, 2019 13:05:11 GMT
. What an abject bunch of wankers that is.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 31, 2019 13:13:14 GMT
. What an abject bunch of wankers that is. Ugly gurning c*nts
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 31, 2019 13:27:26 GMT
. What an abject bunch of wankers that is. Pisserr🤣
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