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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Sept 17, 2024 4:52:37 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 17, 2024 6:13:26 GMT
We are still too scared to fully implement Brexit because we know it is so bad. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 17, 2024 16:28:43 GMT
Goods exports to the EU down 27% between 2021 and 2023
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Sept 17, 2024 16:47:40 GMT
Goods exports to the EU down 27% between 2021 and 2023 One of the authors of the report was on the radio this morning and it was suggested that we are exporting elsewhere instead- she said not, but that we appear to have substituted some imports from the EU with imports from other parts of the world. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 17, 2024 17:21:38 GMT
Goods exports to the EU down 27% between 2021 and 2023 One of the authors of the report was on the radio this morning and it was suggested that we are exporting elsewhere instead- she said not, but that we appear to have substituted some imports from the EU with imports from other parts of the world. Is there any benefit of brexit that anyone can point to? Trade deals have fallen well short of what we had. We can’t send people coming on small boats back to France. Our pound is devalued so imports costs more, yet exports are just down. Total chaos politically, and especially in N Ireland with no government for years. And we still haven’t fully implemented the terms of us leaving the EU yet. The worst mistake any country has ever made in peacetime ever? Perhaps. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 17, 2024 22:08:47 GMT
One of the authors of the report was on the radio this morning and it was suggested that we are exporting elsewhere instead- she said not, but that we appear to have substituted some imports from the EU with imports from other parts of the world. Is there any benefit of brexit that anyone can point to? Trade deals have fallen well short of what we had. We can’t send people coming on small boats back to France. Our pound is devalued so imports costs more, yet exports are just down. Total chaos politically, and especially in N Ireland with no government for years. And we still haven’t fully implemented the terms of us leaving the EU yet. The worst mistake any country has ever made in peacetime ever? Perhaps. |
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Post by wannabee on Sept 17, 2024 23:47:14 GMT
Goods exports to the EU down 27% between 2021 and 2023 1. One of the authors of the report was on the radio this morning and it was suggested that we are exporting elsewhere instead- she said not, 2. but that we appear to have substituted some imports from the EU with imports from other parts of the world. My comments are based on knowing you are not a defender of Brexit I think this is a fair assessment 1.It is self evident if you increase non Tariff Barriers to Exports (which previously didn't exist) either costs increase or exporters decline to export on lower margins. This is reflected in the reduced Export Trade from UK to EU Larger Companies can/will absorb the additional cost of Exporting and pass the additional cost to consumers or accept lower profit margins Smaller Companies don't have the Economies of Scale to absorb the additional cost while retaining an acceptable profit margin so simply stop Exporting to EU and lose the opportunity to become a larger enterprise To endorse her argument why UK Companies are not suddenly Exporting more to ROW (and are in fact contracting in overall turnover) versus EU the only thing that has changed since Brexit is that conditions/cost of Exporting to EU have become less favorable, the conditions/cost of Exporting to ROW have remained the same. The Rollover of EU Trade Deals by UK on exactly the same terms confers no benefit. 2. This is probable/possible because of increased Non Tariff costs to Imports from EU (not previously existing) is a result of Brexit . It is possible that new supply chains from ROW are now cheaper than from EU but more expensive than from EU before Brexit. The end result is higher cost of Imports |
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 18, 2024 8:40:32 GMT
1. One of the authors of the report was on the radio this morning and it was suggested that we are exporting elsewhere instead- she said not, 2. but that we appear to have substituted some imports from the EU with imports from other parts of the world. My comments are based on knowing you are not a defender of Brexit I think this is a fair assessment 1.It is self evident if you increase non Tariff Barriers to Exports (which previously didn't exist) either costs increase or exporters decline to export on lower margins. This is reflected in the reduced Export Trade from UK to EU Larger Companies can/will absorb the additional cost of Exporting and pass the additional cost to consumers or accept lower profit margins Smaller Companies don't have the Economies of Scale to absorb the additional cost while retaining an acceptable profit margin so simply stop Exporting to EU and lose the opportunity to become a larger enterprise To endorse her argument why UK Companies are not suddenly Exporting more to ROW (and are in fact contracting in overall turnover) versus EU the only thing that has changed since Brexit is that conditions/cost of Exporting to EU have become less favorable, the conditions/cost of Exporting to ROW have remained the same. The Rollover of EU Trade Deals by UK on exactly the same terms confers no benefit. 2. This is probable/possible because of increased Non Tariff costs to Imports from EU (not previously existing) is a result of Brexit . It is possible that new supply chains from ROW are now cheaper than from EU but more expensive than from EU before Brexit. The end result is higher cost of Imports The harsh reality with Brexit is that following the nature of the Brexit negotiations, diplomatic discussions over immigration, and Conservative Parry maladministration (i.e. Truss) nobody wants to trade (let alone set up formal trade agreements) with a country which has repeatedly suggested it would quickly tear up any trade agreement and leave the ECHR in the name of political expediency. Not least until the UK calms down a bit. Brexit negotiations, the UK stance on immigration and Conservative Party maladministration have done more collective economic and diplomatic damage to the UK than anything since World War II. The economic picture people should be looking at is macro, not micro. |
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 18, 2024 10:15:20 GMT
One of the authors of the report was on the radio this morning and it was suggested that we are exporting elsewhere instead- she said not, but that we appear to have substituted some imports from the EU with imports from other parts of the world. Is there any benefit of brexit that anyone can point to? Trade deals have fallen well short of what we had. We can’t send people coming on small boats back to France. Our pound is devalued so imports costs more, yet exports are just down. Total chaos politically, and especially in N Ireland with no government for years. And we still haven’t fully implemented the terms of us leaving the EU yet. The worst mistake any country has ever made in peacetime ever? Perhaps. ,Gross%20domestic%20product%20(GDP)%20in%20the%20OECD%20rose%20by%200.5,compared%20with%200.2%25%20in%20Q1. Well you asked! The UK has the highest growth in the first half of 2024 of major OECD economies. The UK has the lowest unemployment in over half a century. Ditto redundancies. One one lowest unemployment rates in Europe major states . High levels of job vacancies, which the EU want for themselves by proposing freedom of movement for the young to reduce their massive young unemployment figures. We have 10,000s of illegal immigrants coming in across the Channel instead of 100,000s coming in in the back of lorries or supposedly visiting and disappearing - hence 6 millions of app,ications for UK citizenship. www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-march-2024/how-many-people-have-been-granted-settlement-via-the-eu-settlement-scheme#:~:text=These%20applications%20relate%20to%206.3,million%20pre%2Dsettled%20status). I agree on political chaos, our politicians are dreadful. Von der Leyen has no problems with elections; she has just appointed 3 dozen commissioners to rule the EU for the next 5 years and not a vote in sight! Carney talks about democracy under threat - what a joke! We are not happy about illegal immigration, but thank God we are an island, our problem is a fraction of the EU''s problem. The Dutch are not happy but stuck with it. www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/09/18/netherlands-requests-opt-out-clause-from-eu-asylum-rules-a-bold-move-with-low-chances-of-sAs for trade we did not leave the EU to increase trade with Europe! We left to maximise trade with the rest of the world which represents 85% of the world economy and is growing faster. Naturally trade with the EU will decline, but it is booming with North America and will grow massively in the long term with the CPTPP, ASEAN, Gulf states and Commonwealth countries, but it does not happen overnight. The UK is one of the world's major trading nations. We stopped exporting raw materials and wool etc, we now only export high added value goods not basic manufactured goods which other countries can do more cheaply, but now are a world leader in IT, and services with services exports increasing fastest in the G7. Why is people risk their lives to get out of the EU to get to the UK? I will believe its the worst mistake when the journey is in the opposite direction! . |
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 18, 2024 10:44:32 GMT
Is there any benefit of brexit that anyone can point to? Trade deals have fallen well short of what we had. We can’t send people coming on small boats back to France. Our pound is devalued so imports costs more, yet exports are just down. Total chaos politically, and especially in N Ireland with no government for years. And we still haven’t fully implemented the terms of us leaving the EU yet. The worst mistake any country has ever made in peacetime ever? Perhaps. ,Gross%20domestic%20product%20(GDP)%20in%20the%20OECD%20rose%20by%200.5,compared%20with%200.2%25%20in%20Q1. Well you asked! The UK has the highest growth in the first half of 2024 of major OECD economies. The UK has the lowest unemployment in over half a century. Ditto redundancies. One one lowest unemployment rates in Europe major states . High levels of job vacancies, which the EU want for themselves by proposing freedom of movement for the young to reduce their massive young unemployment figures. We have 10,000s of illegal immigrants coming in across the Channel instead of 100,000s coming in in the back of lorries or supposedly visiting and disappearing - hence 6 millions of app,ications for UK citizenship. www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-march-2024/how-many-people-have-been-granted-settlement-via-the-eu-settlement-scheme#:~:text=These%20applications%20relate%20to%206.3,million%20pre%2Dsettled%20status). I agree on political chaos, our politicians are dreadful. Von der Leyen has no problems with elections; she has just appointed 3 dozen commissioners to rule the EU for the next 5 years and not a vote in sight! Carney talks about democracy under threat - what a joke! We are not happy about illegal immigration, but thank God we are an island, our problem is a fraction of the EU''s problem. The Dutch are not happy but stuck with it. www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/09/18/netherlands-requests-opt-out-clause-from-eu-asylum-rules-a-bold-move-with-low-chances-of-sAs for trade we did not leave the EU to increase trade with Europe! We left to maximise trade with the rest of the world which represents 85% of the world economy and is growing faster. Naturally trade with the EU will decline, but it is booming with North America and will grow massively in the long term with the CPTPP, ASEAN, Gulf states and Commonwealth countries, but it does not happen overnight. The UK is one of the world's major trading nations. We stopped exporting raw materials and wool etc, we now only export high added value goods not basic manufactured goods which other countries can do more cheaply, but now are a world leader in IT, and services with services exports increasing fastest in the G7. Why is people risk their lives to get out of the EU to get to the UK? I will believe its the worst mistake when the journey is in the opposite direction! . If you have £1 and it grows to £2 you have 100% growth. If you already had £5 and it grows to £6 you only have 20% growth. But they have both increased by £1. So each year our economy has had a bad year, the next year is comparatively good and we can say “business is booming”. Factor in our high inflation rates over the last few years. Factor in our devalued £. Then you get a real picture that our economy is actually not in a good state. Our public services evidence that. As do our rail and water services. In any event, growth in economy is largely due to a handful of massive global businesses. They can adapt to ride out the terrible uncertainty we have had and that remains in some sectors because of brexit. Small and medium businesses just go under. But as long as our billionaires and millionaires are thriving, the overall economic figures can hide the reality for the rest of us. Literally nobody I have spoken to who voted brexit still thinks it was a good idea when it has come up. One thing we do agree on is that our politicians have been awful. Interesting that you think those politicians who campaigned for brexit, and then were in power to negotiate the deal have done everything so badly, but they just happened to get brexit right!? Why the exception to their ineptitude on this one thing? Strange. Also, you completely contradict yourself on immigration. You say the fact people risk their lives to come here from France is evidence that being out of the EU is better than being in it. At the same time you say far more immigrants came here illegally in lorries when we were in the EU, and that the EU has a much bigger problem with immigrants coming illegally! |
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 18, 2024 13:02:26 GMT
www.oecd.org/en/data/insights/statistical-releases/2024/08/gdp-growth-second-quarter-2024-oecd.html#:~:text=data%20tables%20included)-,Gross%20domestic%20product%20(GDP)%20in%20the%20OECD%20rose%20by%200.5,compared%20with%200.2%25%20in%20Q1. Well you asked! The UK has the highest growth in the first half of 2024 of major OECD economies. The UK has the lowest unemployment in over half a century. Ditto redundancies. One one lowest unemployment rates in Europe major states . High levels of job vacancies, which the EU want for themselves by proposing freedom of movement for the young to reduce their massive young unemployment figures. We have 10,000s of illegal immigrants coming in across the Channel instead of 100,000s coming in in the back of lorries or supposedly visiting and disappearing - hence 6 millions of app,ications for UK citizenship. www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-march-2024/how-many-people-have-been-granted-settlement-via-the-eu-settlement-scheme#:~:text=These%20applications%20relate%20to%206.3,million%20pre%2Dsettled%20status). I agree on political chaos, our politicians are dreadful. Von der Leyen has no problems with elections; she has just appointed 3 dozen commissioners to rule the EU for the next 5 years and not a vote in sight! Carney talks about democracy under threat - what a joke! We are not happy about illegal immigration, but thank God we are an island, our problem is a fraction of the EU''s problem. The Dutch are not happy but stuck with it. www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/09/18/netherlands-requests-opt-out-clause-from-eu-asylum-rules-a-bold-move-with-low-chances-of-sAs for trade we did not leave the EU to increase trade with Europe! We left to maximise trade with the rest of the world which represents 85% of the world economy and is growing faster. Naturally trade with the EU will decline, but it is booming with North America and will grow massively in the long term with the CPTPP, ASEAN, Gulf states and Commonwealth countries, but it does not happen overnight. The UK is one of the world's major trading nations. We stopped exporting raw materials and wool etc, we now only export high added value goods not basic manufactured goods which other countries can do more cheaply, but now are a world leader in IT, and services with services exports increasing fastest in the G7. Why is people risk their lives to get out of the EU to get to the UK? I will believe its the worst mistake when the journey is in the opposite direction! . If you have £1 and it grows to £2 you have 100% growth. If you already had £5 and it grows to £6 you only have 20% growth. But they have both increased by £1. So each year our economy has had a bad year, the next year is comparatively good and we can say “business is booming”. Factor in our high inflation rates over the last few years. Factor in our devalued £. Then you get a real picture that our economy is actually not in a good state. Our public services evidence that. As do our rail and water services. In any event, growth in economy is largely due to a handful of massive global businesses. They can adapt to ride out the terrible uncertainty we have had and that remains in some sectors because of brexit. Small and medium businesses just go under. But as long as our billionaires and millionaires are thriving, the overall economic figures can hide the reality for the rest of us. Literally nobody I have spoken to who voted brexit still thinks it was a good idea when it has come up. One thing we do agree on is that our politicians have been awful. Interesting that you think those politicians who campaigned for brexit, and then were in power to negotiate the deal have done everything so badly, but they just happened to get brexit right!? Why the exception to their ineptitude on this one thing? Strange. Also, you completely contradict yourself on immigration. You say the fact people risk their lives to come here from France is evidence that being out of the EU is better than being in it. At the same time you say far more immigrants came here illegally in lorries when we were in the EU, and that the EU has a much bigger problem with immigrants coming illegally! The best way to compare economies growth is on a common basis, not in a country's own currency. UK GDP in 2023 in terms of current US$ was $3.34 trillion, an annual increase of 8%. data.worldbank.org/country/united-kingdomAccording to the World Bank data, measured in US$, the GDP growth from 2016 to 2023 are: US 46%, Canada 40%, Germany 29%, UK 24%, France 23%, Italy 20%, Japan -16% Since the UK's last year of EU membership in 2019, the G7 economies growth to 2023 were: US 27%, Canada 23%, UK 17%, Germany 15%, Italy 12%, France 11%, Japan -18% Each year has not been a bad year, the pandemic year 2020 was. tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gni-us-dollar-wb-data.htmlGrowth is not all global businesses. There are record small business start-ups. www.natwestgroup.com/news-and-insights/news-room/press-releases/enterprise/2024/aug/launchpad-for-growth-as-468000-new-companies-start-up.html You are correct about inequality. It flat-lined for centuries, then improved during the 20th century until the UK joined the Common Market/EEC/EU ourworldindata.org/how-has-inequality-in-the-uk-changed-over-the-very-long-run I was in favour of joining in the 1970s, but the reality is, joining Europe was a huge mistake for the less off in our society as any true socialist knows. (I'm not a socialist.) It destroyed our industry and instead of investing in the UK, we spent 47 years paying into the the EEC/EU to support other countries' economies. Today the average wage increase is higher than inflation. That recovery after the pandemic was years faster than after the 2008 financial crisis, because of stopping freedom of movement. It would have taken a lot longer for wages to improve if we had stayed in the EU. www.statista.com/statistics/933075/wage-growth-in-the-uk/Your argument on immigration in your last paragraph is the best reason I've heard not to be in the EU. I must use it myself sometime. I see the Lib Dems want to open the floodgates again with freedom of movement, like Blair did. I wonder how much immigration that would bring and reduction in wage increases? |
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 18, 2024 13:20:19 GMT
If you have £1 and it grows to £2 you have 100% growth. If you already had £5 and it grows to £6 you only have 20% growth. But they have both increased by £1. So each year our economy has had a bad year, the next year is comparatively good and we can say “business is booming”. Factor in our high inflation rates over the last few years. Factor in our devalued £. Then you get a real picture that our economy is actually not in a good state. Our public services evidence that. As do our rail and water services. In any event, growth in economy is largely due to a handful of massive global businesses. They can adapt to ride out the terrible uncertainty we have had and that remains in some sectors because of brexit. Small and medium businesses just go under. But as long as our billionaires and millionaires are thriving, the overall economic figures can hide the reality for the rest of us. Literally nobody I have spoken to who voted brexit still thinks it was a good idea when it has come up. One thing we do agree on is that our politicians have been awful. Interesting that you think those politicians who campaigned for brexit, and then were in power to negotiate the deal have done everything so badly, but they just happened to get brexit right!? Why the exception to their ineptitude on this one thing? Strange. Also, you completely contradict yourself on immigration. You say the fact people risk their lives to come here from France is evidence that being out of the EU is better than being in it. At the same time you say far more immigrants came here illegally in lorries when we were in the EU, and that the EU has a much bigger problem with immigrants coming illegally! The best way to compare economies growth is on a common basis, not in a country's own currency. UK GDP in 2023 in terms of current US$ was $3.34 trillion, an annual increase of 8%. data.worldbank.org/country/united-kingdomAccording to the World Bank data, measured in US$, the GDP growth from 2016 to 2023 are: US 46%, Canada 40%, Germany 29%, UK 24%, France 23%, Italy 20%, Japan -16% Since the UK's last year of EU membership in 2019, the G7 economies growth to 2023 were: US 27%, Canada 23%, UK 17%, Germany 15%, Italy 12%, France 11%, Japan -18% Each year has not been a bad year, the pandemic year 2020 was. tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gni-us-dollar-wb-data.htmlGrowth is not all global businesses. There are record small business start-ups. www.natwestgroup.com/news-and-insights/news-room/press-releases/enterprise/2024/aug/launchpad-for-growth-as-468000-new-companies-start-up.html You are correct about inequality. It flat-lined for centuries, then improved during the 20th century until the UK joined the Common Market/EEC/EU ourworldindata.org/how-has-inequality-in-the-uk-changed-over-the-very-long-run I was in favour of joining in the 1970s, but the reality is, joining Europe was a huge mistake for the less off in our society as any true socialist knows. (I'm not a socialist.) It destroyed our industry and instead of investing in the UK, we spent 47 years paying into the the EEC/EU to support other countries' economies. Today the average wage increase is higher than inflation. That recovery after the pandemic was years faster than after the 2008 financial crisis, because of stopping freedom of movement. It would have taken a lot longer for wages to improve if we had stayed in the EU. www.statista.com/statistics/933075/wage-growth-in-the-uk/Your argument on immigration in your last paragraph is the best reason I've heard not to be in the EU. I must use it myself sometime. I see the Lib Dems want to open the floodgates again with freedom of movement, like Blair did. I wonder how much immigration that would bring and reduction in wage increases? You do know I don’t agree with my last paragraph. I was using it to show the complete contradiction in your position. |
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Post by wannabee on Sept 18, 2024 22:20:18 GMT
Is there any benefit of brexit that anyone can point to? Trade deals have fallen well short of what we had. We can’t send people coming on small boats back to France. Our pound is devalued so imports costs more, yet exports are just down. Total chaos politically, and especially in N Ireland with no government for years. And we still haven’t fully implemented the terms of us leaving the EU yet. The worst mistake any country has ever made in peacetime ever? Perhaps. Why is people risk their lives to get out of the EU to get to the UK? I will believe its the worst mistake when the journey is in the opposite direction! . So what you are saying is that people in UK Voted for Brexit to "Control our Borders" and now Asylum Seekers are so desperate to get out of EU they are prepared to risk their lives to do so in order to get to UK This is the most bizarre novel reason yet I've heard to quantify Brexit as a success, well done. |
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 18, 2024 22:59:51 GMT
Why is people risk their lives to get out of the EU to get to the UK? I will believe its the worst mistake when the journey is in the opposite direction! . So what you are saying is that people in UK Voted for Brexit to "Control our Borders" and now Asylum Seekers are so desperate to get out of EU they are prepared to risk their lives to do so in order to get to UK This is the most bizarre novel reason yet I've heard to quantify Brexit as a success, well done. You're confusing two separate things. People voted for Brexit because they were lied to, misunderstood what it was about, or were just plain stupid or racist. Anyone with any intellectual acumen would conclude Brexit was never a god idea in and of itself. People are not "desperate to leave the EU" - they are looking to seek asylum in the UK because they have an attachment here, that being either through culture, linguistics or family. The UK makes it deliberately hard for asylum seekers and refugees as it only lets people seek asylum once they are physically in the UK - so you cannot claim asylum from outside the UK bar a very few exceptions. |
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Post by wannabee on Sept 19, 2024 0:03:05 GMT
So what you are saying is that people in UK Voted for Brexit to "Control our Borders" and now Asylum Seekers are so desperate to get out of EU they are prepared to risk their lives to do so in order to get to UK This is the most bizarre novel reason yet I've heard to quantify Brexit as a success, well done. You're confusing two separate things. People voted for Brexit because they were lied to, misunderstood what it was about, or were just plain stupid or racist. Anyone with any intellectual acumen would conclude Brexit was never a god idea in and of itself. People are not "desperate to leave the EU" - they are looking to seek asylum in the UK because they have an attachment here, that being either through culture, linguistics or family. The UK makes it deliberately hard for asylum seekers and refugees as it only lets people seek asylum once they are physically in the UK - so you cannot claim asylum from outside the UK bar a very few exceptions. Despite your relatively impressive post tally you must be a "newbie" to this thread or alternatively don't understand parody People voted for Brexit for a whole bunch of reasons as they do in most Elections, the poster im replying to primarily due to a misguided interpretation of Sovereignty Thanks for explaining the Raison d'Étre of why Asylum Seekers may specifically choose to make an Asylum Claim in UK .... I'd never have considered that 🤔 Likewise for repeating a point in final para that I have made countless times on various threads |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2024 9:58:53 GMT
But, but what about sovereignty? 🙄
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2024 10:08:01 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 19, 2024 11:27:30 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2024 13:57:34 GMT
That is an absolutely shocking report. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 19, 2024 15:56:42 GMT
That is an absolutely shocking report. That alone undermines every possible sovereignty argument in favour of Brexit. I just don’t understand why people don’t want basic protections for consumers, workers and citizens which are good for them and that require businesses and governments to maintain certain standards, regardless of what nutter gets in power. It is so ridiculous. Buy organic. |
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Post by wannabee on Sept 19, 2024 16:55:08 GMT
That is an absolutely shocking report. If you take this Report in conjunction with the two posts you made above it encapsulates everything that is negative about Brexit On its own UK is on a race to the bottom partly to alleviate the Financial Loss incurred by Brexit requiring replacement of products of inferior quality and less variety. In addition as Galsworthy says it's about future alignment with a Bloc that has similar values related to human dignity. There is nothing wrong with increasing Trade with ROW for competitive advantage and no doubt some emerging Countries will grow faster than EU but on its own UK is not a big enough Market to dictate what Standards Goods are supplied and in order to compete on a level playing field will need to lower its own Standards on Exports which inevitably find their way onto the Home Market There are also Global issues Climate Change, Migration, Conflicts which are best tackled by speaking as a Bloc rather than a single voice. Logically larger Companies can adapt to a changing rules base even if they don't like it and it stalls investment. Smaller Companies don't have that flexibility and ultimately make the decision to stop trying and reduce their Market size to purely the Home Market, it's a drip drip. |
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 19, 2024 18:28:01 GMT
You're confusing two separate things. People voted for Brexit because they were lied to, misunderstood what it was about, or were just plain stupid or racist. Anyone with any intellectual acumen would conclude Brexit was never a good idea in and of itself. People are not "desperate to leave the EU" - they are looking to seek asylum in the UK because they have an attachment here, that being either through culture, linguistics or family. The UK makes it deliberately hard for asylum seekers and refugees as it only lets people seek asylum once they are physically in the UK - so you cannot claim asylum from outside the UK bar a very few exceptions. Despite your relatively impressive post tally you must be a "newbie" to this thread or alternatively don't understand parody People voted for Brexit for a whole bunch of reasons as they do in most Elections, the poster im replying to primarily due to a misguided interpretation of Sovereignty Thanks for explaining the Raison d'Étre of why Asylum Seekers may specifically choose to make an Asylum Claim in UK .... I'd never have considered that 🤔 Likewise for repeating a point in final para that I have made countless times on various threads Nope, I've been around forever and luckily for you I'm not sure anyone pays any attention to post tally or "status". It's a message bard not the Carlton Club. You evidently don't understand parody. If you were trying to parody someone at least make your attempt to mimic someone somewhat funny. I did read you're posts and I'm sorry if you feel you're the only person in the fucking world who's allowed to reiterate contradictory points. If anything I said was wrong just shout up. Lots of Love Ariel |
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Post by wannabee on Sept 19, 2024 19:13:06 GMT
Despite your relatively impressive post tally you must be a "newbie" to this thread or alternatively don't understand parody People voted for Brexit for a whole bunch of reasons as they do in most Elections, the poster im replying to primarily due to a misguided interpretation of Sovereignty Thanks for explaining the Raison d'Étre of why Asylum Seekers may specifically choose to make an Asylum Claim in UK .... I'd never have considered that 🤔 Likewise for repeating a point in final para that I have made countless times on various threads Nope, I've been around forever and luckily for you I'm not sure anyone pays any attention to post tally or "status". It's a message bard not the Carlton Club. You evidently don't understand parody. If you were trying to parody someone at least make your attempt to mimic someone somewhat funny. I did read you're posts and I'm sorry if you feel you're the only person in the fucking world who's allowed to reiterate contradictory points. If anything I said was wrong just shout up. Lots of Love Ariel If you reply to a post at least make it relevant to what your replying to. I deliberately edited Mr Coke's post due to one one particularly ludicrous comment It is you that doesn't understand Parody, it doesn't need to be funny, but involves ridicule of a comment using much of the original comment as a base. Your opening sentence "You're confusing two separate things" and your further critique is Bollocks because it has no relevance to either my post or the edited one I was replying to. Of course you can make contradictory points it helps if they are actually contrarian not tangential HTH |
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 19, 2024 21:18:32 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 19, 2024 23:17:20 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Sept 20, 2024 0:42:20 GMT
The UK is an independent sovereign state, electing its own law makers. The UK has just joined the CPTPP which will shortly become a larger trade group then the EU. Some people are excited by minute gains but overlook huge losses. Its like a Gambler talking about his wins on the Horses What's the economic impact? Despite the various advantages CPTPP brings, most forecasts have suggested the macroeconomic gains from CPTPP membership will be small. The fine print of the UK government’s analysis shows the deal is only set to increase GDP by 0.08% over the next 15 years.
www.deloitte.com/uk/en/services/tax/research/the-uk-in-cptpp-our-analysis.html |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 20, 2024 0:53:47 GMT
Despite your relatively impressive post tally you must be a "newbie" to this thread or alternatively don't understand parody People voted for Brexit for a whole bunch of reasons as they do in most Elections, the poster im replying to primarily due to a misguided interpretation of Sovereignty Thanks for explaining the Raison d'Étre of why Asylum Seekers may specifically choose to make an Asylum Claim in UK .... I'd never have considered that 🤔 Likewise for repeating a point in final para that I have made countless times on various threads Nope, I've been around forever and luckily for you I'm not sure anyone pays any attention to post tally or "status". It's a message bard not the Carlton Club. You evidently don't understand parody. If you were trying to parody someone at least make your attempt to mimic someone somewhat funny. I did read you're posts and I'm sorry if you feel you're the only person in the fucking world who's allowed to reiterate contradictory points. If anything I said was wrong just shout up. Lots of Love Ariel
Mate, don't make yourself look any more of a fool than you already have done so.
You completely misinterpreted wannabee's post, with respect, I'd suggest retiring with good grace and not digging your hole any deeper.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 20, 2024 6:08:51 GMT
Another Brexit bonus...poisoning.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 20, 2024 7:50:47 GMT
A genuine question to those who wish to rejoin the EU.
Would you be happy to adopt the Euro as the UK currency as a condition of acceptance?
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 20, 2024 7:53:45 GMT
A genuine question to those who wish to rejoin the EU. Would you be happy to adopt the Euro as the UK currency as a condition of acceptance? Potentially. I don’t know enough about the impact. Would I take the very favourable terms we gave up when we left - absolutely. |
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