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Post by franklin66 on Aug 30, 2019 16:14:24 GMT
months and months ago, the CEO of Calais port said they were ready for Brexit, deal or no deal, their processes were in place ready for any extra issues and there won't be any delays their end. Which is quite surprising for the French, they can block a road at the drop of the hat. There is a deal in place for planes to continue to fly to and from Europe from the UK after Brexit, they go a lot quicker than boats you know Was the radio programme the BBC by any chance? I'd take what the CEO of the Port of Calais says with an extremely large pinch of salt. It seems he changes his opinion at the drop of a hat. He was imploring May and Barnier to sort something out just months before this claim, saying that there'd be 30 mile tailbacks after Brexit. Does that pinch of salt apply to remainers views too or just leavers views.
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Post by serpico on Aug 30, 2019 16:15:46 GMT
Essentially we voted to leave the EU kit and caboodle, a clean break as there was nothing on the ballot about a deal.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 30, 2019 16:29:33 GMT
Essentially we voted to leave the EU kit and caboodle, a clean break as there was nothing on the ballot about a deal. I don't think that it can be put better than this man Serpico. Unfortunately he is a northern thick working class white man so his opinion does not really count as much as those who know what he is thinking and can speak for him.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 30, 2019 17:00:31 GMT
months and months ago, the CEO of Calais port said they were ready for Brexit, deal or no deal, their processes were in place ready for any extra issues and there won't be any delays their end. Which is quite surprising for the French, they can block a road at the drop of the hat. There is a deal in place for planes to continue to fly to and from Europe from the UK after Brexit, they go a lot quicker than boats you know Was the radio programme the BBC by any chance? I'd take what the CEO of the Port of Calais says with an extremely large pinch of salt. It seems he changes his opinion at the drop of a hat. He was imploring May and Barnier to sort something out just months before this claim, saying that there'd be 30 mile tailbacks after Brexit. And there was me thinking only Brexiteers are guilty of been economical with the truth , you would think we were leaving the European continent the way some knicker wetters are carrying on, unless I have missed out on the plans to tug boat us out to the Americas, Asia or Africa we are not actually moving the country if we are can we saw off Scotland and leave the Irish Republic where they are.
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Post by Davef on Aug 30, 2019 17:07:41 GMT
I'd take what the CEO of the Port of Calais says with an extremely large pinch of salt. It seems he changes his opinion at the drop of a hat. He was imploring May and Barnier to sort something out just months before this claim, saying that there'd be 30 mile tailbacks after Brexit. And there was me thinking only Brexiteers are guilty of been economical with the truth , you would think we were leaving the European continent the way some knicker wetters are carrying on, unless I have missed out on the plans to tug boat us out to the Americas, Asia or Africa we are not actually moving the country if we are can we saw off Scotland and leave the Irish Republic where they are. Who's being economical with the truth?
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 30, 2019 17:14:17 GMT
And there was me thinking only Brexiteers are guilty of been economical with the truth , you would think we were leaving the European continent the way some knicker wetters are carrying on, unless I have missed out on the plans to tug boat us out to the Americas, Asia or Africa we are not actually moving the country if we are can we saw off Scotland and leave the Irish Republic where they are. Who's being economical with the truth? "CEO of the Port of Calais says with an extremely large pinch of salt."
To take a statement with 'a grain of salt' (or 'a pinch of salt') means to accept it while maintaining a degree of scepticism about its truth. The idea comes from the fact that food is more easily swallowed if taken with a small amount of salt.
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Post by lommack on Aug 30, 2019 17:19:23 GMT
Who's being economical with the truth? "CEO of the Port of Calais says with an extremely large pinch of salt."
To take a statement with 'a grain of salt' (or 'a pinch of salt') means to accept it while maintaining a degree of scepticism about its truth. The idea comes from the fact that food is more easily swallowed if taken with a small amount of salt.
Are you a Brexit at any cost merchant?
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Post by Davef on Aug 30, 2019 17:23:39 GMT
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Post by Dutchpeter on Aug 30, 2019 17:27:02 GMT
Would you move to Europe if life in the U.K. was unsatisfactory post Brexit?not being mischievous here.
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Post by felonious on Aug 30, 2019 17:28:33 GMT
Essentially we voted to leave the EU kit and caboodle, a clean break as there was nothing on the ballot about a deal. I don't think that it can be put better than this man Serpico. Unfortunately he is a northern thick working class white man so his opinion does not really count as much as those who know what he is thinking and can speak for him. There's a lot of angry Labour voters out there he's just one of many. I've always thought that a Northern League party would clean up north of the capital.
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Post by felonious on Aug 30, 2019 17:30:49 GMT
Would you move to Europe if life in the U.K. was unsatisfactory post Brexit?not being mischievous here. Just to put this one to bed for the millionth time no one in the UK will be leaving Europe after Brexit.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 30, 2019 18:06:36 GMT
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Post by algor on Aug 30, 2019 18:43:44 GMT
Well that seals it for me! Given the choice between a band having to pay tax on merchandise or ignoring 17.4 million people who voted to control their own laws, money and borders - brexit can fuck right off! Let's hope that if those nasty thick, racist leavers get their way then the bands don't catch the Flu whilst visiting the magnificent union because if they bring it back we will all die! Although it's likely they will die in the 5 day queue to get back into brexit land. I would also add just so I don't offend MoMo! Those nasty, thick, racist leavers are also filthy right wing bastards with blood on their hands. It's unlikely that flu transmits through blood so I should be alright.......Jack.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 30, 2019 19:07:07 GMT
Well that seals it for me! Given the choice between a band having to pay tax on merchandise or ignoring 17.4 million people who voted to control their own laws, money and borders - brexit can fuck right off! Let's hope that if those nasty thick, racist leavers get their way then the bands don't catch the Flu whilst visiting the magnificent union because if they bring it back we will all die! Although it's likely they will die in the 5 day queue to get back into brexit land. I would also add just so I don't offend MoMo! Those nasty, thick, racist leavers are also filthy right wing bastards with blood on their hands. It's unlikely that flu transmits through blood so I should be alright.......Jack. Spectacularly missing the point. We're not talking the massive artists here, but smaller acts operating on tight margins. If the band doesn't tour then the sound guy , the bus driver , the guitar tech who don't get paid. I thought Brexit was supposed to be about reducing bureaucracy but no deal threatens the exact opposite. It's the little guy who gets fucked by shit like this but you can only respond with the usual sarcasm.
And yes, it's not about people getting medicines , or the plug being pulled on the UK car industry, but it's just one example of the 'little things' that no deal brings.
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Post by algor on Aug 30, 2019 19:25:45 GMT
Well that seals it for me! Given the choice between a band having to pay tax on merchandise or ignoring 17.4 million people who voted to control their own laws, money and borders - brexit can fuck right off! Let's hope that if those nasty thick, racist leavers get their way then the bands don't catch the Flu whilst visiting the magnificent union because if they bring it back we will all die! Although it's likely they will die in the 5 day queue to get back into brexit land. I would also add just so I don't offend MoMo! Those nasty, thick, racist leavers are also filthy right wing bastards with blood on their hands. It's unlikely that flu transmits through blood so I should be alright.......Jack. Spectacularly missing the point. We're not talking the massive artists here, but smaller acts operating on tight margins. If the band doesn't tour then the sound guy , the bus driver , the guitar tech who don't get paid. I thought Brexit was supposed to be about reducing bureaucracy but no deal threatens the exact opposite. It's the little guy who gets fucked by shit like this but you can only respond with the usual sarcasm.
And yes, it's not about people getting medicines , or the plug being pulled on the UK car industry, but it's just one example of the 'little things' that no deal brings.
I really am not missing the point! The tiny, tiny things like this don't compare to the little things and the large things on the other side of your argument! Just as an aside how much merch did the Beatles sell in hamburg? Oh and the plug being pulled on the Uk car industry has everything to do with Diesel and nothing to do with Brexit! But carry on with your (might happen) agenda because I am just a thick, racist, no nothing right wing bastard with blood on his hands.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 30, 2019 19:26:45 GMT
How does these bands manage to tour Australia or USA, how did bands manage to tour europe before the EU ? As for merchandise pay the vat on your 50 or 100 tshirts and cds or get them made in the eu or sell them via the internet etc etc
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 30, 2019 19:35:43 GMT
How does these bands manage to tour Australia or USA, how did bands manage to tour europe before the EU ? As for merchandise pay the vat on your 50 or 100 tshirts and cds or get them made in the eu or sell them via the internet etc etc Many of these bands simply do not tour the USA or Australia. The cost of visas for the USA alone can make it prohibitive. Australia too far/costly.
Of course you can get your merch made in the EU- one artist I know is now looking at pulling the t-shirt printing from the small business in Blackburn currently used and moving it to Poland.
As for selling online most bands already do, but there is a market which only exists selling to people who turn up at gigs, otherwise why would they bother with the hassle of dragging boxes of t-shirts and CD's around with them?
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 30, 2019 19:42:18 GMT
Spectacularly missing the point. We're not talking the massive artists here, but smaller acts operating on tight margins. If the band doesn't tour then the sound guy , the bus driver , the guitar tech who don't get paid. I thought Brexit was supposed to be about reducing bureaucracy but no deal threatens the exact opposite. It's the little guy who gets fucked by shit like this but you can only respond with the usual sarcasm.
And yes, it's not about people getting medicines , or the plug being pulled on the UK car industry, but it's just one example of the 'little things' that no deal brings.
I really am not missing the point! The tiny, tiny things like this don't compare to the little things and the large things on the other side of your argument! Just as an aside how much merch did the Beatles sell in hamburg? Oh and the plug being pulled on the Uk car industry has everything to do with Diesel and nothing to do with Brexit! But carry on with your (might happen) agenda because I am just a thick, racist, no nothing right wing bastard with blood on his hands. I have not called anyone thick or racist or even no nothing right wing bastard , but I would just point out it's "know-nothing" , not no nothing.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 30, 2019 19:44:17 GMT
Project Fear has exhausted the 'no food, no medicines, queues at the airport, queues at the ports, recession, unemployment, housing market collapse, roaming mobile phone charges' propaganda. What else will terrify the kids...oh hang on, I've thought of something a little left field
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Post by algor on Aug 30, 2019 19:46:59 GMT
How does these bands manage to tour Australia or USA, how did bands manage to tour europe before the EU ? As for merchandise pay the vat on your 50 or 100 tshirts and cds or get them made in the eu or sell them via the internet etc etc Many of these bands simply do not tour the USA or Australia. The cost of visas for the USA alone can make it prohibitive. Australia too far/costly.
Of course you can get your merch made in the EU- one artist I know is now looking at pulling the t-shirt printing from the small business in Blackburn currently used and moving it to Poland.
As for selling online most bands already do, but there is a market which only exists selling to people who turn up at gigs, otherwise why would they bother with the hassle of dragging boxes of t-shirts and CD's around with them?
This clearly is an issue very personal to you and close to your heart, as a leaver I regret any inconvenience caused in the process of leaving but leave we must do. To give balance the Uk fishing industry lost far more jobs in joining the EU than the Uk music industry will lose in leaving.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 30, 2019 19:54:45 GMT
How does these bands manage to tour Australia or USA, how did bands manage to tour europe before the EU ? As for merchandise pay the vat on your 50 or 100 tshirts and cds or get them made in the eu or sell them via the internet etc etc Many of these bands simply do not tour the USA or Australia. The cost of visas for the USA alone can make it prohibitive. Australia too far/costly.
Of course you can get your merch made in the EU- one artist I know is now looking at pulling the t-shirt printing from the small business in Blackburn currently used and moving it to Poland.
As for selling online most bands already do, but there is a market which only exists selling to people who turn up at gigs, otherwise why would they bother with the hassle of dragging boxes of t-shirts and CD's around with them?
That of course may change when new trade deals are done with australia and the usa and the printer in blackburn gets work from eu bands touring the uk until of course a deal is agreed which it will be even after no deal. Yes people will buy cds or tshirts at gigs but if they like you enough they will buy it online, christ I remember signing upto a mailing list for marillions support bans Jadis as they had sold all their tapes. My other point this bands are taking 100 or 200 at most compared to the cost of the tour itself its minimal extra cost.
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Post by algor on Aug 30, 2019 19:55:35 GMT
I really am not missing the point! The tiny, tiny things like this don't compare to the little things and the large things on the other side of your argument! Just as an aside how much merch did the Beatles sell in hamburg? Oh and the plug being pulled on the Uk car industry has everything to do with Diesel and nothing to do with Brexit! But carry on with your (might happen) agenda because I am just a thick, racist, no nothing right wing bastard with blood on his hands. I have not called anyone thick or racist or even no nothing right wing bastard , but I would just point out it's "know-nothing" , not no nothing.
"No nothing" is a stronger tone of expressing the state of having nothing at all. It's not a lack of knowledge! Being in the music business you should know this!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 30, 2019 19:58:58 GMT
Well that seals it for me! Given the choice between a band having to pay tax on merchandise or ignoring 17.4 million people who voted to control their own laws, money and borders - brexit can fuck right off! Let's hope that if those nasty thick, racist leavers get their way then the bands don't catch the Flu whilst visiting the magnificent union because if they bring it back we will all die! Although it's likely they will die in the 5 day queue to get back into brexit land. I would also add just so I don't offend MoMo! Those nasty, thick, racist leavers are also filthy right wing bastards with blood on their hands. It's unlikely that flu transmits through blood so I should be alright.......Jack. Spectacularly missing the point. We're not talking the massive artists here, but smaller acts operating on tight margins. If the band doesn't tour then the sound guy , the bus driver , the guitar tech who don't get paid. I thought Brexit was supposed to be about reducing bureaucracy but no deal threatens the exact opposite. It's the little guy who gets fucked by shit like this but you can only respond with the usual sarcasm.
And yes, it's not about people getting medicines , or the plug being pulled on the UK car industry, but it's just one example of the 'little things' that no deal brings.
Will the big bands be alright?
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Post by algor on Aug 30, 2019 20:01:12 GMT
Spectacularly missing the point. We're not talking the massive artists here, but smaller acts operating on tight margins. If the band doesn't tour then the sound guy , the bus driver , the guitar tech who don't get paid. I thought Brexit was supposed to be about reducing bureaucracy but no deal threatens the exact opposite. It's the little guy who gets fucked by shit like this but you can only respond with the usual sarcasm.
And yes, it's not about people getting medicines , or the plug being pulled on the UK car industry, but it's just one example of the 'little things' that no deal brings.
Will the big bands be alright? Wont somebody think of the big bands
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 30, 2019 20:32:44 GMT
Spectacularly missing the point. We're not talking the massive artists here, but smaller acts operating on tight margins. If the band doesn't tour then the sound guy , the bus driver , the guitar tech who don't get paid. I thought Brexit was supposed to be about reducing bureaucracy but no deal threatens the exact opposite. It's the little guy who gets fucked by shit like this but you can only respond with the usual sarcasm.
And yes, it's not about people getting medicines , or the plug being pulled on the UK car industry, but it's just one example of the 'little things' that no deal brings.
Will the big bands be alright? I would think so they get £30 for a T shirt anyway so £30 + vat
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Post by foster on Aug 30, 2019 20:42:21 GMT
I have not called anyone thick or racist or even no nothing right wing bastard , but I would just point out it's "know-nothing" , not no nothing.
"No nothing" is a stronger tone of expressing the state of having nothing at all. It's not a lack of knowledge! Being in the music business you should know this! Nah. No nothing means exactly what he interpreted it to mean....and to be honest, you sound like you've got issues as he never called you any of those extreme things you mentioned. If you've got insecurity issues then go to a councilor mate. Don't lash out at posters on here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 20:56:08 GMT
Many of these bands simply do not tour the USA or Australia. The cost of visas for the USA alone can make it prohibitive. Australia too far/costly.
Of course you can get your merch made in the EU- one artist I know is now looking at pulling the t-shirt printing from the small business in Blackburn currently used and moving it to Poland.
As for selling online most bands already do, but there is a market which only exists selling to people who turn up at gigs, otherwise why would they bother with the hassle of dragging boxes of t-shirts and CD's around with them?
That of course may change when new trade deals are done with australia and the usa and the printer in blackburn gets work from eu bands touring the uk until of course a deal is agreed which it will be even after no deal. Yes people will buy cds or tshirts at gigs but if they like you enough they will buy it online, christ I remember signing upto a mailing list for marillions support bans Jadis as they had sold all their tapes. My other point this bands are taking 100 or 200 at most compared to the cost of the tour itself its minimal extra cost. Is it not the case that the real issue is the inequality of wealth between the bigger bands and the poorer bands? That something has happened in society to make that chasm a lot bigger than it ever used to (apart from the odd noticeable exceptions)? That venues are greedier, the costs are extortionate and less people can afford to go and watch the bands? That agents, people who don’t do too much, are taking huge cuts of the profits? And that all these things are the real issues here and present a much bigger problem than having to pay VAT on some merchandise?
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 30, 2019 20:57:31 GMT
Well I really didn't expect quite so much response for a simple posting putting across what I said at the outset was not the biggest issue, but an example of what no deal would mean. Still, if it's given the 'do-or-die' brigade a diversion for the evening then hey-ho.
For info, I'm not in the music industry, but would be interested to know the thoughts of the 'Fisherman's Friends' who must be wondering whether they should be applauding the upcoming boost to the fishing industry , or the new challenges for their next European tour. As for Jadis I can only hope for Followyoudown's sake that they missed your address off the mailing list, as their gigs as Marillion support were certain to send me off to the merch desk to buy Wilkinson's latest tee-shirt- and with that I suppose this has come full circle.
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Post by devondumpling on Aug 30, 2019 21:00:22 GMT
That of course may change when new trade deals are done with australia and the usa and the printer in blackburn gets work from eu bands touring the uk until of course a deal is agreed which it will be even after no deal. Yes people will buy cds or tshirts at gigs but if they like you enough they will buy it online, christ I remember signing upto a mailing list for marillions support bans Jadis as they had sold all their tapes. My other point this bands are taking 100 or 200 at most compared to the cost of the tour itself its minimal extra cost. Is it not the case that the real issue is the inequality of wealth between the bigger bands and the poorer bands? That something has happened in society to make that chasm a lot bigger than it ever used to (apart from the odd noticeable exceptions)? That venues are greedier, the costs are extortionate and less people can afford to go and watch the bands? That agents, people who don’t do too much, are taking huge cuts of the profits? And that all these things are the real issues here and present a much bigger problem than having to pay VAT on some merchandise? Are we talking about football clubs? All sounds familiar.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 21:03:02 GMT
Is it not the case that the real issue is the inequality of wealth between the bigger bands and the poorer bands? That something has happened in society to make that chasm a lot bigger than it ever used to (apart from the odd noticeable exceptions)? That venues are greedier, the costs are extortionate and less people can afford to go and watch the bands? That agents, people who don’t do too much, are taking huge cuts of the profits? And that all these things are the real issues here and present a much bigger problem than having to pay VAT on some merchandise? Are we talking about football clubs? All sounds familiar. It’s every industry. It’s capitalism when it’s unconfined. There is quite simply not room for everyone to make the big time no matter how hard they try. And the rich only get richer and the poor get poorer. Unless you’re rich then spent all your money on things you don’t need that turn out not to work properly anyway...or hire a bad financial advisor to manage your investment 😉
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