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Post by Eggybread on Aug 29, 2019 18:46:02 GMT
Jumping on the thread whether Farage is a racist or not here is the case for the prosecution. In 1981, when Nigel was appointed as a prefect at his school, an English teacher wrote to the headteacher asking him to reconsider his decision, citing his fascist views. Another said that on a Combined Cadet Force (CCF) camp organised by the college, Farage and others “marched through a quiet Sussex village very late at night shouting Hitler-youth songs.” Skip forward to 2006 – when Nigel became the leader of UKIP, the UK Independence Party.He campaigned for the UK to leave the EU. Policies included strict caps on immigration, a five-year ban on unskilled workers, and a five-year wait before migrants could claim benefits. In 2013 Nigel said he supports Muslim immigrants who “integrate” into society, but not those that are “coming here to take us over”. In a 2014 interview on LBC, Frage said he felt “uncomfortable” when he heard people speaking in other languages on London transport. The same year, he said the “basic principle” of Enoch Powell’s infamous anti-immigration “Rivers of Blood” speech was correct. In 2014 Nigel also said he would be concerned if Romanian immigrants moved in next door to him. The same year again, he also blamed immigrants for making him late to an event where he was speaking. He said his lateness “has nothing to do with professionalism, what it does have to do with is a country in which the population is going through the roof chiefly because of open-door immigration In 2015, Nigel then said that NHS money spent on recent immigrants with HIV would be better placed treating other taxpayers with serious conditions. Nigel defended a UKIP candidate who used a racist slur against Chinese people. Referring to the incident, he said: “If you and your mates were going out for a Chinese, what do you say you’re going for?” When Britain voted to leave the EU in 2016, Nigel boasted that the campaign had been won “without a bullet being fired”. This was eight days after Labour MP Jo Cox was fatally shot. Like Tommy Robinson, Nigel has close links with Steve Bannon, Donald’s chief strategist and founder of alt-right news platform Breitbart News. And thats not even touching his views on women and homosexuality. I rest my case. It seems a pretty weak case, a bit of xenophobia maybe, a tendency to say some cockish things for sure but for a supposed lifelong racist there is not much there, nothing to warrant an EHCR inquiry like certain parties. As I have said many times I have never really understand the obsession with immigration but saying things about immigration does not equal racism. Does this strengthen it enough? What a slime ball he is. www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/22/nigel-farage-discussed-fronting-far-right-group-led-by-steve-bannon
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Post by salopstick on Aug 29, 2019 19:30:52 GMT
Which is exactly what he did to get elected leader in the first place. Then he caved in trying to stay there He's been shameless trying to get to the next level. Quite apt considering he looks like part of Frank Gallagher’s clan
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 29, 2019 19:39:57 GMT
Not at all . Farage had a meeting. Guardian has an agenda.
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Post by serpico on Aug 29, 2019 19:43:12 GMT
Still waiting for the evidence he’s racist, merely hobnobbing with Steve Bannon isn’t sufficient. Where are the articles, speeches etc where he talks about the superiority of the white race ?
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Post by Eggybread on Aug 29, 2019 20:19:38 GMT
Still waiting for the evidence he’s racist, merely hobnobbing with Steve Bannon isn’t sufficient. Where are the articles, speeches etc where he talks about the superiority of the white race ? Why does he have to talk about the superiority of the white race to be racist? Did you read my previous post,wasnt there enough in there for you? If not then my interpretation of a racist is different to yours Serps.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 29, 2019 20:20:44 GMT
Still waiting for the evidence he’s racist, merely hobnobbing with Steve Bannon isn’t sufficient. Where are the articles, speeches etc where he talks about the superiority of the white race ? Why does he have to talk about the superiority of the white race to be racist? Did you read my previous post,wasnt there enough in there for you? If not then my interpretation of a racist is different to yours Serps. He's doing very well with the BREXIT party isn't he? He's a good leader and seems to connect with people. They seem to like what he is saying. In such a short time, set the party up, well organised, some good candidates, Largest party in the EU parliament. Many people seem to follow him. Perhaps ordinary people are racists?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 29, 2019 20:27:50 GMT
Why does he have to talk about the superiority of the white race to be racist? Did you read my previous post,wasnt there enough in there for you? If not then my interpretation of a racist is different to yours Serps. He's doing very well with the BREXIT party isn't he? He's a good leader and seems to connect with people. They seem to like what he is saying. In such a short time, set the party up, well organised, some good candidates, Largest party in the EU parliament. Many people seem to follow him. Perhaps ordinary people are racists? Doubtless.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Aug 29, 2019 20:28:22 GMT
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Post by serpico on Aug 29, 2019 20:32:25 GMT
Still waiting for the evidence he’s racist, merely hobnobbing with Steve Bannon isn’t sufficient. Where are the articles, speeches etc where he talks about the superiority of the white race ? Why does he have to talk about the superiority of the white race to be racist? Did you read my previous post,wasnt there enough in there for you? If not then my interpretation of a racist is different to yours Serps. The definition of a racist is someone who believes one race is superior to another, where has Farage ever espoused this idea ? Most of what you’re charging Farage with would be better termed as xenophobia... I don’t think he’s xenophobic either, I think you disagree with him politically (which is fine) and because of his stance on immigration this makes him an easy target to smear as racist.
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Post by serpico on Aug 29, 2019 20:34:55 GMT
Why does he have to talk about the superiority of the white race to be racist? Did you read my previous post,wasnt there enough in there for you? If not then my interpretation of a racist is different to yours Serps. He's doing very well with the BREXIT party isn't he? He's a good leader and seems to connect with people. They seem to like what he is saying. In such a short time, set the party up, well organised, some good candidates, Largest party in the EU parliament. Many people seem to follow him. Perhaps ordinary people are racists? A party with a very diverse group of members and candidates, Which is odd for party led by a raging racist.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 29, 2019 20:34:57 GMT
Why does he have to talk about the superiority of the white race to be racist? Did you read my previous post,wasnt there enough in there for you? If not then my interpretation of a racist is different to yours Serps. The definition of a racist is someone who believes one race is superior to another, where has Farage ever espoused this idea ? Most of what you’re charging Farage with would be better termed as xenophobia... I don’t think he’s xenophobic either, I think you disagree with him politically (which is fine) and because of his stance on immigration this makes him an easy target to smear as racist. You are right Serpico. Many ordinary Brits have concerns about immigration. Keir Hardie had concerns about immigration. One of the founding fathers of the Labour party: Even a figure such as Keir Hardie, founding father of the Labour Party, led a fierce, xenophobic campaign against the Lithuanians. Hardie, as a leader of Ayrshire miners, wrote an article for the journal, The Miner, in which he stated that: "For the second time in their history Messrs. Merry and Cunninghame have introduced a number of Russian Poles to Glengarnock Ironworks. What object they have in doing so is beyond human ken unless it is, as stated by a speaker at Irvine, to teach men how to live on garlic and oil, or introduce the Black Death, so as to get rid of the surplus labourers." www.bbc.co.uk/legacies/immig_emig/scotland/strathclyde/article_2.shtml
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 29, 2019 20:36:57 GMT
So, as a member of the Eu we could have just capped European immigration at 50 thousand if we’d wanted to ? It wouldn't have mattered if we had. We set targets for non EU immigration and spectacularly failed to achieve them over a number of years. As with so many things we have had successive governments long on headline and short on detail.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 29, 2019 20:54:44 GMT
I think he could have pissed the election if he had backed a "workers Brexit". I completely agree. How easy it would have been to get that message without it being hi-jacked by the 'powers that be' through their media puppets is another matter! I think he's going to really regret this. He's played for a GE in my opinion and it's going to backfire. Boris isn't stupid. He's suspended Parliament and he looks to me he's forced Corbyn's hand and he'll just end looking like the attempted destroyer of Brexit. He's lost the old Labour supporters of Brexit and he's not going to recover with the Blarite types. He's lost the "workers" and his "middle classes". He should have stayed true to himself. Mate he has been lauded by some on here as a man of principal, I have traditionally been a Labour dyed in the wool voter all my life, Bliar and Gormless Gordon changed my view of them nothing but Tory lite, Corbyn is a Marxist puppet of the trade unions and Mc Donut they have lost the trust of their normal working class core and the Tory lite middle class they have to return to centre ground, Corbyn has no principals he is a liar and a charlatan who has been sussed by all but the loony left and the champagne socialist brigade.
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Post by Eggybread on Aug 29, 2019 20:55:10 GMT
He's doing very well with the BREXIT party isn't he? He's a good leader and seems to connect with people. They seem to like what he is saying. In such a short time, set the party up, well organised, some good candidates, Largest party in the EU parliament. Many people seem to follow him. Perhaps ordinary people are racists? A party with a very diverse group of members and candidates, Which is odd for party led by a raging racist. its like Nuremberg rally on here So UKIP and the Brexit party were/are a diverse group of people are they jesus christ what planet are you on.Numerous members of both parties have connections to extreme right wing parties or they have been slammed for racist quotes and posts on many occasions.Maybe Stoke has different news than everywhere else in the country I know the area has a very poor education record but ffs.Ill leave Stoke in its own little time warp bubble Its pointless carrying on this conversation.
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Post by serpico on Aug 29, 2019 21:03:32 GMT
A party with a very diverse group of members and candidates, Which is odd for party led by a raging racist. its like Nuremberg rally on here So UKIP and the Brexit party were/are a diverse group of people are they jesus christ what planet are you on.Numerous members of both parties have connections to extreme right wing parties or they have been slammed for racist quotes and posts on many occasions.Maybe Stoke has different news than everywhere else in the country I know the area has a very poor education record but ffs.Ill leave Stoke in its own little time warp bubble Its pointless carrying on this conversation. The Brexit party candidates are ethnically and politically pretty diverse, as are their supporters, men and women of all ages, races, religions and backgrounds.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 29, 2019 21:04:22 GMT
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Post by Eggybread on Aug 29, 2019 21:04:47 GMT
Why does he have to talk about the superiority of the white race to be racist? Did you read my previous post,wasnt there enough in there for you? If not then my interpretation of a racist is different to yours Serps. He's doing very well with the BREXIT party isn't he? He's a good leader and seems to connect with people. They seem to like what he is saying. In such a short time, set the party up, well organised, some good candidates, Largest party in the EU parliament. Many people seem to follow him. Perhaps ordinary people are racists? He is doing great isnt he.Failed seven times to be an MP and is doing a great job of tearing up the country with his destructive views and rants.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 29, 2019 21:05:03 GMT
A party with a very diverse group of members and candidates, Which is odd for party led by a raging racist. its like Nuremberg rally on here So UKIP and the Brexit party were/are a diverse group of people are they jesus christ what planet are you on.Numerous members of both parties have connections to extreme right wing parties or they have been slammed for racist quotes and posts on many occasions.Maybe Stoke has different news than everywhere else in the country I know the area has a very poor education record but ffs.Ill leave Stoke in its own little time warp bubble Its pointless carrying on this conversation. Don't, then. Nuremberg rally? Are the mods OK with people calling other posters Nazis? As someone who has received Nazi salutes, I know I fucking aren't.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 29, 2019 21:08:00 GMT
He's doing very well with the BREXIT party isn't he? He's a good leader and seems to connect with people. They seem to like what he is saying. In such a short time, set the party up, well organised, some good candidates, Largest party in the EU parliament. Many people seem to follow him. Perhaps ordinary people are racists? He is doing great isnt he.Failed seven times to be an MP and and is doing a great job of tearing up the country with his destructive views and rants. Keep up. He is an MEP in the extremely important European Parliament. Set the political agenda for 5 years. Who has had more influence? When you lose the argument get the man.
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Post by Eggybread on Aug 29, 2019 21:08:33 GMT
its like Nuremberg rally on here So UKIP and the Brexit party were/are a diverse group of people are they jesus christ what planet are you on.Numerous members of both parties have connections to extreme right wing parties or they have been slammed for racist quotes and posts on many occasions.Maybe Stoke has different news than everywhere else in the country I know the area has a very poor education record but ffs.Ill leave Stoke in its own little time warp bubble Its pointless carrying on this conversation. Don't, then. Nuremberg rally? Are the mods OK with people calling other posters Nazis? As someone who has received Nazi salutes, I know I fucking aren't. Maybe they were waving at you.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 29, 2019 21:10:09 GMT
Don't, then. Nuremberg rally? Are the mods OK with people calling other posters Nazis? As someone who has received Nazi salutes, I know I fucking aren't. Maybe they were waving at you. Fuck you.
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Post by Eggybread on Aug 29, 2019 21:14:49 GMT
He is doing great isnt he.Failed seven times to be an MP and and is doing a great job of tearing up the country with his destructive views and rants. Keep up. He is an MEP in the extremely important European Parliament. Set the political agenda for 5 years. Whose had more influence? When you lose the argument get the man. He is not an MP keep up. And regarding his important role at the EU maybe people would take him more seriously if he bothered to turn up for voting.He has the second worse attendance record in the EU parliament for voting.What a man what an inspiration
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Post by serpico on Aug 29, 2019 21:17:50 GMT
He is doing great isnt he.Failed seven times to be an MP and and is doing a great job of tearing up the country with his destructive views and rants. Keep up. He is an MEP in the extremely important European Parliament. Set the political agenda for 5 years. Whose had more influence? When you lose the argument get the man. His UKIP got 4 million votes in 2015, that was pretty impressive. If we had proportional represtentation and not first past the post UKIP would have won around 83 seats.
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Post by Eggybread on Aug 29, 2019 21:17:56 GMT
Maybe they were waving at you. Fuck you. Now Im pretty sure that isnt allowed.But I can take it.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 29, 2019 21:18:31 GMT
Now Im pretty sure that isnt allowed.But I can take it. So I hear....
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 29, 2019 21:22:27 GMT
Let me get this right: Ken Clarke, who has been a member of parliament for the Conservative Party for the last 50 years is now the voice of sound reason? A clear case of confusing Brexit with political leanings
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 29, 2019 21:25:22 GMT
Let me get this right: Ken Clarke, who has been a member of parliament for the Conservative Party for the last 50 years is now the voice of sound reason? A clear case of confusing Brexit with political leanings Nicholson is a tit, as well. Second referendum spouting shithouse.
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Post by Eggybread on Aug 29, 2019 21:25:37 GMT
Keep up. He is an MEP in the extremely important European Parliament. Set the political agenda for 5 years. Whose had more influence? When you lose the argument get the man. His UKIP got 4 million votes in 2015, that was pretty impressive. If we had proportional represtentation and not first past the post UKIP would have won around 83 seats.[ interesting that you mention different voting because if we had that we wouldn't have a tory government.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 29, 2019 21:30:24 GMT
Why the hell do we have to endure Jacob Rees-Mogg on the News channels every single day. They might as well give him his own show. He's an important Politician , leader of the House , part of the cabinet, isn't he? We don't see enough of Nigel Farage though do we? Where is the winky thing???? Rees-Mogg has been on the TV every day for the last 3 years. He's only now in the Cabinet because the loonies have finally taken over the asylum. It's not like he's representative. I mean who knows (or would want to know) anyone who is remotely like Jacob Rees-Mogg?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 29, 2019 21:34:38 GMT
Let me get this right: Ken Clarke, who has been a member of parliament for the Conservative Party for the last 50 years is now the voice of sound reason? A clear case of confusing Brexit with political leanings Yes interesting to hear what a Conservative big beast spanning two generations thinks of what the Fat Dictator and Top Hat & Baker have done to his party isn't it?
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